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Technology Analyst: Get Over Vista Hate

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  1. Easy Rhino

    Easy Rhino Linux Advocate

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    i agree. when i first installed vista i did not like it. the interface felt awkward and it was pretty slow to respond to commands. but after a couple of days it speeded up. and yes, disable indexing and windows search also helps. the speedboost thing is supposed to help in some cases but i didnt recognize a difference.
     
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    Ive used it for over a week.
     
  3. Black Hades

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    Well I disable indexing on XP too :p It's a waste of resources for most

    Also remove the hibernation function, turn off sys restore on all but the windows partition, uninstall the msn explorer, windows messenger, defrag my meta files/MFT/pagefile, etc
     
  4. Rebo&Zooty

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    but they both really do suck, just one sucks more then the other currently.

    xp had LUNA and system restore, thats about it, and luna as i said in the xp beta days makes me think "fisher price: my first pc" every time i see it.

    and alot of cards today that come out "vista ready" pretty much FORCE you to use vista's bult in media center because it saves the card maker $ they would spent bundling a vista compatable 3rd party app(many times the xp version dosnt work on vista or only works 1/2 way) so yeah IF the card came with good VISTA COMPATABLE software thats one thing, but also why should you have to use or buy 3rd party software when one of the selling points for vista is that its got mediacenter built in?

    thats like expecting people to HAVE to install opera or firefox for web browsing because ie refuses to load some webpages thanks to an illegal tag the page maker added.

    or expecting the user to install 3rd party media player because wmp refuses to play videos because they are 720p/1080p and your videocard or its drivers are not certifyed by the mpaa for HD content(vista can do this.....wait and see they will endup forcing u to crack vista to fix it....and it effects 3rd party vista software not just wmp) and that 720p/1080p content could be HOME VIDEOS if somebody got a nice shieny new hd camcorder...........


    my point is, why should the user have to hack their own system to get fetures that are advertised as selling points of the os? if its got media center built in, then media center should work and follow the LAWS OF THE COUNRY ITS BEING USED IN!!!!

    acctualy by the time XP came out ms had been "marketing" 2k as a home user alternitive for a while, mostly because ME was such a peice of shit and they had to do something.

    xp is just 2k with alot of extra bloat piled on top, if you cant find 2k drivers for something, xp drivers work, if you cant find xp drivers for something 2k drivers work, just as 2003 uses xp or 2k drivers, same driver model and to me thats a good thing in my book, it means that i dont gotta feel like im having my nutz slamed in a cardoor every time i try and use some peice of hardware i have had around a couple years(vista dont like ALOT of hardware and dosnt have even generic drivers to support text printing on LTP printers.....every os pre vista has that even windows 3.0......... i know one buisness neer here had to have xp put back on their POS(point of sale) system because vista wouldnt work with their dot matrix printer, they used a generic epson driver from xp to set it up, its used with recepts that pring both a main recept and a carbon copy at same time, its sort of REQUIERED that it work, and a new dot matrix printer thats vista compatable, you wont belive the price, around $3000.00(yes 3k us dollers for an old ass dot matrix printer design thats got vista support)

    blah, what a crock.........see why buisnesses dont want to move to vista? alot of them dont wana have to rebuy their hardware just because vista dosnt come with proper support for stuff they have.
     
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    Im not buying it sounds like a pathetic plea for people to buy more until im happy with vista i wont instal it.
    the move for alot of people means slower systems and more ram usage who in there right mind would welcome that?

    why cant they carry on support for both systems? its what the public wants.
     
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    For the same reason they don't continue support for the xbox, the ps1, n64, 1993 Chevy Silverado (model just came to mind), ect. They want your money, make no mistake. Welcome to the free market. And pushing technology forward is the norm for the pc market, and mostly, its a good thing it is. Enjoy the progress, be glad your not still playing original xbox quality games b/c users complained they had to upgrade to a new system to play the new stuff.....:shadedshu
     
  7. Easy Rhino

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    yes, they want your money. but they also don't have the resources to continue to innovate AND continue to support the older technologies.
     
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    Exactly, it would take away from the progression of the newer tech as well. So its a 2-way street. I would rather see the new tech being improved instead of a dying horse being kept on life support.
     
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    Me too, me too.
     
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    I coudnt of put it better myself xps had a great run just let it go gracefully.
     
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    XP needs a major overhaul. Too many features to mention that should be implemented, all user selected ofcourse! A new operating system altogether was bound to happen, and i honostly believed the greater majority anxiously awaited its arrival.

    The end result is that a ' dying horse ' is still outrunning the ' maturing hourse '. End users reserve the right to hold onto that which is working more stable, more secure & more efficient for aslong as it takes for Microsoft to get their act together.

    I was on the phone to MS the other day, to validate my XP operating system after a hardware change. I inquired about a new operating system and was told that a new one would be out soon!
    Like Windows ME came out after 98se, it couldnt compare to the older operating system. Windows ME was the most pathetic resource hungry failure that was quickly replaced.

    When i look at Vista, all i see is XP with half the resources being used for no reason and a really crappy theme. Gadgets that need to be removed, annoying messages, no user friendliness, and a pathetic media centre that is better replaced by 3rd party software. Hardware & Software incompatibility, poor counterfeit protocols and so on. Actually, Vista only has ONE good thing about it, Direct X10, which is bullshit anyways. ( okais its not bullshit, because you can really see extra particles and the flames really move! )

    MS really screwed up again, its a habit, maybe traditional, who cares. Like we should drop XP, they should drop Vista. They both suck for the era we are in.

    Im all for progress, so i say, NEXT!
     
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    not true, ms has 2-3 programing teams working on windows at a time, one working on patching older windows, 1 working on current windows, and one working on the next windows, now many times there are multi teams on each project, but its easyer to explain it as old-current-new then to explain that ms also has teams on IE patches and the new version of IE, Media Player, messenger apps, it goes on and on.

    It dosnt harm the current windows for ms to give proper support to older versions, infact many times the security patches need done for both newer and older versions since ms is horrible about not fixing shit when its reported only when it becomes a problem(see the blaster and lovesan worms)

    really ms has plenty of resorces to develop 4+ versions of windows at the same time, the problem is that they spend to much time on shit like areo insted of acctual innovation and improoving the core os.....


    im hoping strongly that with windows7 this changes, because if it dosnt, i see mac gaining alot of users, as well as linux/bsd and other alt os's, vista has already driven alot of people to noobuntu,linspire and xandros, its only gonna get worse if they keep headed in that same dirrection........

    guess this is good news for the opensauce community, they are gaining users and market share due to ms's pusing out os's that many users dont want, and forcing them to buy xp again if they want to stick xp on the system insted of vista.........many ppl see 140-150 for OEM xp, and think "humm maby its time to try something new, i keep reading about noobuntu and linspire"
     
  13. Easy Rhino

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    maybe in a perfect world. but the truth is money does not grow on trees. microsoft has shareholders to satisfy, therefore they dont have the resources to continue support on older technologies. they must innovate! that means they have to pull resources from older technology to new ones. it is basic business.
     
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    Yeah, innovation. Making and selling a tire tube with a thousand cuts, selling patches, if patches don't work, promise people the next tube they make is better, force them to buy the next tube, but turns out still has cuts, people are forced to live on with it. Reason being there is no compelling alternative to Windows, the way Phenom 9850 is to Q6600. So in a way we're slave to Microsoft, we have to pay for their software just as we pay taxes.
     
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    but ms CANT do that, they would and will be sued if they fail to support xp, they can EOL sales, but buisness relys on extended support(support after sales end) check how long 2k or nt4 where supported after they where outmoded.

    fact is ms HAS to support their older os's, if they dont large businesses that rely on that support will sue, then they will leave ms for unix/linux or mac, thats basic business, if you piss off your customer base, you dont have a customer base.

    ms has more then enought $ to support xp+vista+develop windows 7, yes in the short term it will cost them $ but in the long run it makes them $, and i dont see ms as being quite so short sited as to shoot themselved in the nuts with a shotgun by dumping xp support.

    there are alot of businesses that CANT move to vista, they use apps that WILL NOT WORK ON VISTA or hardware that WILL NOT WORK ON VISTA, many of those apps are custom apps that do not have upgraded versions OR if they have upgraded versions they arent compatable with backups/saves from older versions(more common then you would think, mostly done when a company also wants to sell their services converting a database for those who upgrade)

    if they dumped xp support, those clients would use xp till they couldnt use it anymore, as they looked for alternitives.

    for example a local money management company around here recently started the move to linux, they are using WINE to run their old account management software, vista WOULDNT run it, and the company that made the softwares been out of buisness for years, it would cost alot to replace a system thats still plenty powerfull for what they do, so insted they asked some experts what they could do, a few options like keep xp and buy more licences and install it on the new systems you buy then pay for extended support after the support period from ms has officialy ended came up, BUT one of them said, why not try running your program in wine, it worked, a little tweaking and it worked flawless, now they have a custom build that they are slowly replacing windows with, its based on slackware's latist build, has all the apps they need built into the disk, oh yeah, and it will run smooth as silk on their current systems, so no need to upgrade old boxes.

    oh and yes vmware/virtual pc was considered, but the cost of vmware was restrictive and virtual pc wasnt reliable with it, cant remmber then name of the program they use, but it was made for them spicificly by a software firm that nolonger excists( they closed down and where bought up by another company like 4-5 years ago)

    ms lost their buisness because they wouldnt sell them a large number of xp VLK's, the ms rep kept pushing them to move to vista because it was better, he didnt listen when they flat out told him and showed him that the app they use WILL NOT RUN ON VISTA, he insisted they needed to use vista.....

    as in any buisness, if you dont listen to your customers, you loose them.......well other then the oil industry and tabaco, those 2 industrys can do whatever they want and people will keep buying.......:p
     
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    What? I don't think you got the point of my post. :confused:

    What? That's one of the best parts of Vista! It only indexes C:\Users by default anyway. It won't speed anything up.
     
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    you dont have to buy anything you dont want to. you choose to buy microsoft products.
     
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    im not saying they pull all their resources. im saying that they pull some. they keep enough to honor their extended contracts. they cant support what they make forever. if they did they would be out of business because another company which just started up would have an advantage of not having to support older software. you see what im saying?
     
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    a lot of you have missed the point. you whine because vista does not perform as well as windows xp using the same hardware to run applications and games. but every new OS requires higher specs because of consumer demand for functionality and accesibility. you want vista to be better than XP at running applications? then you do it. you start coding and see how it goes. oh whats that? you dont know how to code? then how can you possibly complain about something you dont have the ability to change. you can either buy it or not. that is your role as the consumer. if enought people dont buy it then microsoft will get the message and their next OS will address those problems. but dont expect some miracle OS that will never crash and run crysis at 1,000 FPS on ultra high settings. i dont see the point of all this complaining. you are wasting your energy.
     
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    Just watch, people will cling to Vista like they cling to XP now when Windows 7 comes out. lol.
    On the other hand, they may leap from XP to Windows 7.... As of now, an install of windows 7 M1 requires an upgrade from Vista, so MS may just give the XP lovers the finger and say "vista to 7 only, not XP to 7" lol. Then again, there is always a clean install...
     
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    Ummm, output can be disabled on XP as well. Both audio and video, just like Vista.

    But like I said, that's easily defeatable, on either os. Again, not a good argument.

    And why do you keep brining up extended support for corporations? We all know corporations have different needs than standard desktop users. That's not the scope of this article, and just another red herring for you to try and use to make Vista look bad.
     
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    Corperations have lots of money, so they can afford new PCs; they are just cheap bastards.
     
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    The main issue here is that they are asking XP users to ' get over it '.
    Better hardware required to keep up with XP ? So the better hardware will run better on XP!
    Vista is shit, everyone knows it, they even know it! They are already over it, and are bringing out the new o.s very very soon. Vista was a marketing strategy to elude users to making a purchase, most making a dual purchase back to XP. MS won big time, so did their shareholders.

    Windows7 seems promising as did XP after the many versions between XP PRO & 98se. I have no doubt that the majority of windows users will jump from XP to Windows7. I just hope they dont kill this one too. Please let me pick what i want to install because i cbf pulling it apart and putting together my own version.
     
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    Okay, this is what I'll do. I'll pirate a copy of Vista, try it out with the fully fledged updates, then I'll think about purchasing vista. Or I'll go back to XP.
     
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    Windows 7 looks just like vista to me,i reckon it'll just be a tweaked version of vista named windows 7 to pull in the vista haters.They'll just change/remove the stuff the vista haters did'nt like.
     

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