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Technology Analyst: Get Over Vista Hate

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  1. Easy Rhino

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    that is what i did. i at first went back to xp, but then i wanted to try dx10 gaming so i switched to vista and am loving it now.
     
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    Its strange, someone would say something like everybody knows vista is shit, even when there are plenty of people saying they love it. :laugh: Its also still just rumours about windows 7, Bill Gates said something, Microsoft themselved denied it, who knows. The main issue of the article is that there is no real reason to dislike vista at this point other than simple lack of knowledge and bias, something that has become pretty clear in this thread I think; and that this vista hate and xp clinging is causing the progression of the new os and new features to be a slow one. Case and point, dx10, which should have more games by now, but developers are scared to put them on their games as a nessecity for fear there will be lots of complaints from xp owners. Make them make vista better, don't ask them to keep an outdated os lacking the features trying to drive us forward.
     
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    Why doesn't Bill Gates just come out and bluntly say "Make your own O/S or just STFU!"? Most of my computer illiterate friends love Vista. I don't love it, but it works. After I set it up the way I like it, my machine doesn't know the difference. Well... Except for my RAM.
     
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    Gots to horn in....

    I suppose U wouldn't care if your VISA transaction crashed....U now owe 20x more in your next statement....no prob right? U'll pay it and wait for the bank to pay U back right?

    As we are already computer dependent, RELIABILITY is the RULE...not the OPTION!!!

    LOL
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    What the heck?!?...I can't believe my eyes....

    Rhino,

    So Ur saying MS is going broke, right? That $43BILLION CASH offer to buy Yahoo was totally smoke & mirrors?

    With all respect Rhino....you gots to read a newspaper or watch TV occasionally!

    LOL
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    You missed the point of his statement I think. He was saying that XP is just as prone to get bad drivers as Vista.
     
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    OK...So screw the XP customer base...right?

    Hmmm.....I feel rather sympathetic for you Wile E. I know I'm not smart...as all the experts that disagree with you!

    http://www.computerweekly.com/Artic...-ignored-as-businesses-wait-for-windows-7.htm

    But You keep up the good fight!!!!

    LOL
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    Just how much longer do you think MS will support XP? 1 yr..2, come on. XP is already 7 friggin yrs old. Its not going to last forever just like desktop based computing isn't. A GUI isn't everything. OS's are becoming more average user friendly by the second. XP was a buggy POS when it first came out & so was vista. Only time healed XP wounds & the same will happen with vista. MS never corrected most problems with its "new" OS's while they were still "new". Grab vista while you can so you can see its development firsthand b4 the next buggy POS arrives.
     
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    with all due respect, you don't understand business. microsoft has a ton of money. they also have a ton of competition because microsoft is more than just an operating system. they own stock in a lot of other companies and they make business deals all the time. it is a competitive world. do you want microsoft to continue to fully support windows 95 because there might be people out there that have 12 year old computers? of course not. sometimes companies need to push forward in order to stay ahead of everyone else. so that means that they have to pull resources from older programs in order to continue growing at the rate their shareholders expect. their shareholders want them to innovate because that is how you make money. sure, they could pay all sorts of money to continue supporting windows 2000 and XP but that would slow them down. you and i dont know their situation. perhaps this is a pivatol moment for them. regardless, if you think you can do better, then by all means start your own software company.
     
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    i agree. it is amazing how short term our memories are. XP was GARBAGE when it came out. now it is great. it took years to work out all the problems. quality drivers were especially scarce. my guess is that most of the people on here are in their mid-teens so they dont really know of the time that XP sucked and windows 2000 was all the rage. hell! i even remember people complaining about windows 2000 and they wanted better support for windows 98 :laugh:
     
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    acctualy it dosnt REQUIER higher hardware to improove an os, as can be shown with a decent linux distro(noobuntu is effectivly vista in linux flavor.....heavy on resorces and slow)

    check out vectorlinux soho unsing enlitenment, if you want a flashy gui, its got it, if you want speed even on OLD ASS HARDWARE that wouldnt even run windows XP, guess what YOU GOT IT!!!! no joke, i have done it, and it works, so this "you need to force hardware upgrades to add fetures/functionality/accessability.

    fact is MS COULD DO IT, but they dont because they want to insure you buy a new puter every couple years, and this is im sure enlarge to keep their pockets full, not just via hardware sales but you know that the higher up's in ms do invest in hardware maker stocks, so its good for them if your forced to buy 16gb ram and a 4ghz quadcore and a 500gb, as well as a 512mb dx10 videocard in order to run their next os, because it insures they make money off the software and off then investments in hardware makers, woot woot guess thats all for the best in your eyes tho.

    hell even bill gates effectivly admited that vista sucks, need proof.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a2zqRc1jvs

    yeah, thats a ringing indorcement for their new os aint it, the owner of the company effectivly saying it sucks and is unpolished.........

    you dont read well do you?

    under xp IF ms dissabled video output the would be open to lawsuits and WOULD LOOSE, the eula dosnt allow it, under vista it does and it also allows "degraded playback" of media if ms/mpaa/riaa dont like your hardware, for the love of god READ what i said.

    as to corp users, alot of people cant deal with their home system and work system being diffrent, you got no idea how many people i have seen get their vista machien put back to xp simply because they cant deal with the diffrances, im not saying ppl like us couldnt, but alot of computer MORONS/AOL users cant coap with things not being the same in both places, i even heard one lady at best buy paying geek squad to install xp for her say that was her reasion, she liked vistas look, but couldnt deal with how diffrent it was from her system at work, so she bought xp online and payed geeksquad like 280bucks to install it for her(stupid ppl make geeksquad rich......)

    but you dont see that, you see, "vista is newer, so vista is better, woot woot for vista, everybody should change now!!!"

    Also something about xp, im not an xp fan, its been a headake for me to deal withdue to botched critical hotfixes (untested shit that breaks drivers or bsod loops ppls systems) but its still better then the experiance with vista i have had to date, and if you read its EULA, well the xp eula is far more forgiving and kind to the end user then vista's.

    you know in vista you arent even allowed to "trouble shoot" os spicific problems/limmitations and find workarounds? yeah thats in there, if you do that, you just broke your contract and they can dissable your system if they like leaving you with a very expencive paperweight.....NICE!!!!

    who cares? its stupid to "upgrade" anyway, you just endup with more problems and a buggyer slower system if you do an "upgrade" from one version of windows to another.....


    because even he feels vista is unpolished crap?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a2zqRc1jvs

    http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&p1=3223&x=19&y=8

    try till 4/8/2014
     

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    Rhino...Do U work for MS?

    All sorts of money??? A fully matured product does not cost "All sorts of money" to maintain support!!!

    Understand that operating systems are perfected by the USER...not MS. That is called BETA testing....and for W2K and WXP that BETA testing has been ongoing for the past 8+ years..and continues as I write this message. That why we have SP1 SP2 SP3 SP4...and on and on.

    You also need to face the FACT that MS is an extremely profitable company---Primarily due to the success of 2000/XP over these 8+ years. MS has all the liquid they need to maintain these products for 20+years.....without even feeling a pin prick!

    Finally, there is no TRUE competitor for MS Windows....except for MS itself---basically MS management dropped the ball with VISTA----this has been the biggest downfalls of all monopolies/dictatorships in history-----self destruction!!!

    I do appreciate Your enthusiasm Rhino - keep researching this issue - don't just take my word for it!

    Regards,
    jtleon
     
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    I'm talking about full blown support as in patches. It'll be dead in a year. Happy EOL XP :D
     
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    Age descrimination.....for SHAME!!!!

    Dude....a very big mistake on your part!!!!

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    stop being silly. i was using enlightenment on freebsd back in 1999. i know all about streamlined GUIs on light operating systems. you are comparing apples and oranges. microsoft isnt making their operating systems more complicated to appease hardware manufacturers, they are doing it to continue supporting EVERYTHING available. that is not an easy task. why do you think OSX runs so well? because it is a closed system that only supports specific hardware and software. vista is available to anyone. any manufacturer can apply of a license and get ahold of the code and create their hardware to work with vista. that is an enormous task on microsofts part to continue to support thousands of companies on both the hardware and software side. so please stop with the BS.
     
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    but you fail to take into account that ms was and still is making $ off XP sales, and they avoided for many years having to "innovate" by keeping xp working well for the majority of buyers, its cheaper to keep a current system up to date then it is to "innovate" a new one, the thing is that vista isnt really innovation, its simply a moded version of server 2003 pro with a max inspired gui........thats not innovation, its a hack job as bill would admit if he didnt want to tank vista sales ;)

    drivers wherent the problem, the fact xp like vista was put out early, both where in a beta stage, xp at least tho didnt break half the apps people use on a daily basis......

    drivers, well 2k drivers where quite mature by then, and xp uses 2k drivers so...the only ppl that had issues finding mature drivers where the ones who couldnt read up and understand that xp is just 2k with more crap slaped ontop, same kinda ppl who insist that server 2003 cant game because there are no drivers for it :p (2003 uses 2k/xp drivers.....)

    vista was pushed out a good bit early, they should have waited, kept the open beta going, work out the buggs, then put vista out in an SP1 stage for retail, sales would have been far better by then, hardware makers would have had drivers ready, and alot of the population would have already been using it and addicted to it.
     
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    :laugh: the transition between dos & win 3.1 was the most traumatic for me. People were complaining about how 95 & 98 was the same, how ME was BS, how 2000 was just going back to 98 after the ME mistake, & how XP was a buggy POS based on the BSOD. So I guess its nothing new but just when are they going to get over it :confused:
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&feature=related

    IF you used it in 99 you where using a far older version then is avalable now, thats like saying "i used explorer back in 1995" when windows explorer has evolved alot since then.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&feature=related

    yeah so your just got pwnt for saying you gotta make things run worse on the same hardware to get nice gui fx, thats a load of crap, acctualy watch the videos, they show things people ooooo and aaaaaaahhhhh about in vista, but done without high end hardware, the first video can be done on a 266mhz p2 with 208mb ram and a 4mb trident videocard......try that with anything ms has made......

    as to osx running well, yes closed platform helps, BUT osx is just a variant of bsd, and bsd if setup properly will run just as well, maby not as flashy (well till u dig around and find the mac gui/window managers that are avalable for it)

    as stated, ms makes $ on both software they sell and the hardware thats sold due to their investments in said companys, they have a vestedintrest in forcing you to buy a new computer or upgrade your current one.
     
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    most of the crying i saw and heard about 2k vs 9x was due to people not understanding the os they moved to, the fact that it wasnt based on 9x at all, i had to many times explain that tho it looked the same/simlar it wasnt even close to the same under the hood.

    comparing 9x with nt core is like comparing a windup toy with a sports car.........(since ppl here like car annaligys.
     
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    technically that is innovation. and yes, i understand the shortcomings of vista, but it is no different than any of the other microsoft operating systems before it. the fact that people were suprised by vistas early problems is retarded.


    hindsight is 20/20. and XP was just as bad as vista was during its transition. it is true that history changes over time.
     
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    Hmm. Eyes. Check! Ears... Check! Nope, no problems there. Please don't insult my listening and visual skills. Personally, I like basing the information I give out to people from my own personal experiences. Not by what some journalist writes on a website. You can throw all the links you want at me. Fact of the matter is, It's my job to keep 20+ computers going all of which run either XP or Vista. I'm comfortable using either O/S and can make either of them run like I want. If you feel like you need to listen to the "professionals" go right ahead mate!:toast:
     
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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/innovation

    in·no·va·tion (n-vshn)
    n.
    1. The act of introducing something new.
    2. Something newly introduced.

    innovation
    Noun
    1. something newly introduced, such as a new method or device
    2. the act of innovating


    i dont see how copyed fetures of another os are innovation.........

    thats like saying rubber tires are an innovation because you painted ur name on the side of them....
     

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