Discussion in 'Overclocking & Cooling' started by stinger608, Aug 8, 2012.
Looks to me from the last pic this had no plating.
Multiple pits are clear so I would assign no local contamination to it as he might have missed a large piece or two of grit but not a general sprinkling of fine sand.
what is clear is pits outside the contact area of same type and size which indicate it happened prior to his receipt/installation.
I asked for him to send the test sample along with the sink but he had already emptied the tube looking for oversized particles and found none.
In any event our compound like MX$ Shin Etsu etc. has grit of multiple sizes that are engineered or sized for full best contact. Thermal compounds are mixed for hours so when applied there are no groupings of material, that is if your mix is 1/3 1/3 1/3 any sample from anywhere in the compound will have the same equal 1/3 1/3 1/3 mix. Find a grouping of large particles would be like opening a can of freshly mixed blue paint and finding purple and yellow pigment particles floating on the top
So I took a sample of 20 grams from the batch over the holiday and washed it and found nothing out of spec.
So if you have problem send me the sink and sample I will scope the sink and wash out the compound or send it for independent analysis it is not a big deal to measure and map particle size.
As to the degree of the alleged problem out of 50 or so samples sent so far we have two complaints that are completely different.
One a single large pit that appears to large to even pass through the end of tube also does not conform to the shape of diamond so would have to be something other than diamond and unlike the multi pit example the entire IHS shows no evidence of damage which would be inconsistent with the multi pit example and with the physics of mixing.
That being if there was a problem it would the same problem not one and then the other.
Also being thoroughly mixed it would be universal throughout so 50 or more people would be reporting the problem.
I would like to resolve this definitively and would prefer no amateur investigations. I can arrange for anyone with a posted problem to send your sample directly at my expense to an independent lab for analysis as to particle size and we will post the result here.
Thanks, That's exactly the sort of response I was looking for from day one.
But again, I'll re-iterate.. I do not think you can blame this issue on particle size. I do not really think, at this point, that particle quality is the issue.
Either, there is some weird chemical reaction going on, causing excessive corrosion(like the pit on that copper CPU), or, this is an artifact of the paste removal, acting as a polishing compound.
I appreciate you not wanting amateur investigations, however, when I posed these same issues to you 5 years ago when you made your first public sampling on HWC, you ignored my problem(and my $950 of dead hardware), and here I sit, trying to make sure to solve the problem for others. I feel that I can safely say that had myself and others not raised any concern, you may have even gone this far.
So, to sum up, again, I think you are ignoring many possible factors here by simply assuming the problem is due to particle size, and secondly, thanks for sticking with this discussion, as unpleasant/unprofessional as it might be.
FYI, my posts here in this thread are my own, and have nothing to do with my position here @ TPU. I would have posed similar questions/etc no matter the forum. I hsven't spoken to W1zzard or any other staff here about this issue, and have taken my own initiative here.
that sounds fair hey.
Sorry to say this, but I told you the first image was a Brand New Base....it's dust! Now since I sent my cooler in, I think that is a bad idea since you don't know how to read, and are looking to make damages on a base that is dust. (If you want to be super technical, they are tiny white fibers from the photo-tent I use for images)
I have a strange feeling that you only accepted my cooler so you can have the final word to hush me up. IF you can't even do something as simple as reading, why would I expect you to know how to run a scientific exam of my cooler?
Oh and by the way, you added a magic white dot to the second image that isn't in the first image
Pics of my IC24:
Different colours in the paste:
If this is contamination, it was contaminated by the person who sent it to me. Just my experience with IC Diamond products. I'll see if I can find the pictures of the scratched GPUs. I have the GPUs somewhere in my garage still, just like I still have my tube of IC24.
hmm my tube is just fine tho
Not our product
we do not sell a tube with a rubber plunger and we have not since 2007 as the compound reacted to or the liquid was absorbed by rubber and the paste hardened like a rock.
I just took the wrapper off my sample tube no rubber plunger but maby there is screwup someplace and he got some old stock
No mistake on our end old stock was a light blue label vs today's black so no way mistakenly sent and besides all stock was destroyed and it was stone hard after 2 months and 5 years later it would not be getting better with age.
Same here, I removed the wrapper of 2 of my tubes and used a 220 lumens light to check for any type of irregularities. No rubber plunger, no discoloration of any sort, even pulled the plunger back a few times to see what was what... nada! nice and clean.
Looking closer at Sneakypetes cooler I'm thinking the paste didn't cause the pitting. I'm thinking it's just shitty machine work that's gone bad. Who knows mabey the plating if the base has any didn't take during the build process? Seeing any type of lines on the base of any cooler from a lathe IMO is just poor craftmanship period!
I'm not sticking up nor bashing anybody here, but something has got to give. In Chads delema of the coolers base pitting, Could it mabey from poor electro static plating of the base? I mean once ICD cures it's fricken got a tight bond on the cpu... mabey it just pulled off particles from the base that didnt take well during the fabrication?! * You cant dismiss that theory * My AMD cpu was pulled straight from the socket a few different times from the adhesion.
time to put this one to bed
I have in front of me my 5750 thats had ic2 on it for 6 months I am gonna take it apart LIVE on webcam shortly and clean it and show the COPPER surfance
yall are free to watch
please use flash mode in the selection box I am gonna start in 5m
anyway its just as clean and shiney as it was when I pulled it apart 3 Months ago no pitting no discoloration aside from my failure to clean it good enough its great
and thats all she wrote surface was just as clean as It was when I put it on
and I am used acetone witch is far more reactive then iso and its what i used last time
texture is smooth like talc and no grit at all so that ends that (at least with my sample) it basicly turns to dry feeling poweder if you rub it like I am annnnnnnnd now my hands are covered in tim and as I stated the discoloration was there from the factory tim that I didn't properly clean
lol well get some hahahah... the wife gives me shit for using most of her's..
Cotton balls? really? You know the drug store sell quilted non lint make up remover pads..
And who cares about the copper being discolored?! for pete sake ever hear of OXIDATION? Really that's all it is...
why dont you edit it than you post 3 times
annnnnnnnnd now I gotta go wash my hands lmao
Exactly. My sample is from 5 years ago, as I have posted earlier in the thread.
And seemingly, not so rock hard...I hate to break it to you, but I might be the most honest person ever. Do you know what a boy scout is? The local troop is run out of my house. This is IC Diamond IC24 from 5 years ago, it is not rock hard, and it has chunks in it, which it had when I received the sample. In fact, it hasn't changed much in the 5 years I have had it.
Perhaps the rock-hard batches were contaminated?
IF it's not your product, then your rep purposely sent me something he concocted himself.
That's why I was pissed in the first place, and asked that this time, you send it to me directly. You refused. I was willing to give it another try.
Note i am cleaning the items better for install I 'am just to lazy to get in there and fine clean it at 1:40am regardless you can see the wear and tear from normal usage this is before IC Diamond 24, ill be running IC Diamond for the next week while playing with the 3960x test rig
cleaning before IC Diamond will be done with Artic Clean Arctic Silver Arcticlean Thermal material Remover ...
Technically wouldn't that stuff be IC7?
In all seriousness I would like to see what's really going on here. I've refrained from using any additional IC24 until the issues are resolved.
IC7 and IC24 are the same. The difference is the amount.
No, they sent regular users ic7 on that test, but they sent staff IC24, which really, is just a larger tube.
anyway ill report back in a week on what i find.
Why bother, The comapany rep is just going to make things up, and then when called on his silliness he will just ignore his misguided attempts to be right while just making things up to make IC Diamond look like it doesn't cause the issue.
I gave before and after images, and as your Noctua base shows marks, he is going to blame Daves uses if the cooler shows damage anyway, just like he is blaming tiny white threads as causing the damage on mine
This guy is trolling us surely!
I stopped using it along time ago when it made the letters on the ihs fade and stained the cpu block then the smell was nasty
But I still have the tube some where on my desk
But not a product I'll recommend for other people to use
I can definitively say the what your presenting is not our product there was only one batch and one 2.5 ml syringe. We launched the product in July 2007 and recalled on Aug. 29 2007 those were the one and only rubber piston syringes we have ever used after which we switched to to exclusively HSW with no rubber at all
What you posted has never seen the inside of an Innovation Cooling facility.
Totally different Piston plunger, different lettering, different gradient markings, we dropped the clear cap only last year totally so all together a different manufacturer.
Lucky for you my partner dropped off some old stock he had so we can do a comparison
Old vs new not easily confused
As you can see pistons do not match
Also the lettering is different
What we use now and only have used since Sept. 2007
All The “old batch” samples dried out, it was fast moving and took only 2 months, it was universal and there were no exceptions. The rubber had changed from semi hard to tacky and pliable and the source was more than obvious.
I cut open a few here
As it did not come from us only 2 possibilities exist.
1. It did not dry out after 5 years so can not possibly be IC Diamond and you some how acquired a fake.
2. It was filled by the spirit world only recently and has not had a chance to harden
Presenting a package that obviously did not come from us with the appearance of having been 'salted” does not help your case.
You say you got it from my “Rep” well I am the “Rep” and I sure did not send you that
I know what goes out out of our facility and nothing of that nature,manufacture, configuration has ever crossed our doors.
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