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X4's are not as good as X6's when it comes to a cpu-nb OC. 2800Mhz is a top effort.
2800mhz is not a top effort, even on worse x4´s... its just the point where most X4 are difficult to be kept stable... my proc has a mediocre IMC,that tends to be weak. and using memory clocks below 1333 with very fast timings, yields it stable 2820mhz NB with no problem

read trough it too, not sure if its a fact or myth but seems logical

Fact..... i tried it more often, than i can think of... at a certain point, the IMC cant get more stability with more voltage, it gets more and more instable from that point, with more volts;)
 

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with memory still at 1600mhz cpu 4000mhz and nb at 2800nb 1.25v i am fully stable, now if i raise cpu to 4.2ghz sometimes 2.8ghz on nb i stable sometimes its not, has to be bug with the board with core unlocker
 
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with memory still at 1600mhz cpu 4000mhz and nb at 2800nb 1.25v i am fully stable, now if i raise cpu to 4.2ghz sometimes 2.8ghz on nb i stable sometimes its not, has to be bug with the board with core unlocker

CPU core at 1.25v? What do you mean by stable? Over 4ghz usually you need a lot more volts and 1.23v at 4ghz is pretty unheard of.

Fact..... i tried it more often, than i can think of... at a certain point, the IMC cant get more stability with more voltage, it gets more and more instable from that point, with more volts;)

Over 1.4v. I've run mine at 1.4v and currently 1.25v and it's been perfectly stable for months.
 

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i mean i need under 1.4v for 4ghz, and only need 1.25v 2800mhz on nb
 
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2800mhz is not a top effort, even on worse x4´s... its just the point where most X4 are difficult to be kept stable...

From what I have seen, most X4's have problems above 2500-2600Mhz, mine included.
 
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Having troubles in heat department for now, though not too critical. Guess either the stock AMD HSF not keeping up with frequency, or didn't correctly applied ChillFactor III. Downvolted - 1) interesting word :) ; 2) lowered the VDDA volts to keep the temps lower - 2.50v. BTW : scrolled down in AI Tweaker section of BIOS & suddenly found the "nf200 chipset voltage" option : leave it be @ auto or should still play with it ? Goes from Auto to 1.20v to 1.50v max in 0.02v increments.

Soon gonna buy either pair of Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM 133CFM 45dBa monstrocities, or SlipStream Jyuni 2000RPM 45/47CFM beauties (thin - 120x120x12mm). That & i'm also going for 2, maybe 3 things from SideWinderComputers (Garry is the name of guy, right ?). Even from something completely f***ed up like being fired (not quited) after 1+ year of work you gain - i get a full working month salary + another payment. Gonna convert this compensation to cooling & other good stuff.

P.S. Successfully raised the CPU's multi to 20x in BIOS today (a hour or so ago), got to the profile screen (meaning - just a click away from getting into desktop), but feared of the CPU to become an omlet on me for more than apparent reason, so reverted back to 3.9GHz. BTW : congrat me - though i don't remember exactly @ which month, but i still successfully run this 3.9GHz OC with almost no freezing (& abso-f***ing-lutely no single BSOD'ing) issues for months now & that is under "mere" stock AMD's HSF. Week or 2 from now - and i am completely serious this time - i'll post my 4.0 & later (hopefully) 4.1GHz OC on air.

P.P.S. Which of 2 progs to use on 4.0GHz OC & for how long : Prime95 or OCCT & for 1 or 2 hours ? Thanx.
 
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Whats the diff between nb with am2+ and am3? mines at 1800 would moving this up do anything?
im going to be installing my water loop tomorow it's testing atm seems good so i hope with the loop i can break my 3.6ghz wall if not i might just be running cooler.
 
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with memory still at 1600mhz cpu 4000mhz and nb at 2800nb 1.25v i am fully stable, now if i raise cpu to 4.2ghz sometimes 2.8ghz on nb i stable sometimes its not, has to be bug with the board with core unlocker
Be Lucky, youre at the Edge of the Procs performance, you probably have one of the most golden unlocked chips on this Forums, of a kind that i only have seen CDAwall posting long ago... it isnt your board, its simply the end of it, the proc cant do more. (if you dont plan to go phase change, or chilled water;))

Over 1.4v. I've run mine at 1.4v and currently 1.25v and it's been perfectly stable for months.
mine is losing stability over 1.3, except for when i go for ram below 1333 and nb 2800+, when 1.3375 is the absolute beneficial max. currently im at 1600, sharp timings, and 2700NB... i also use 1.25, as that has been the most stable volts for that clocks... tried it over several weekends, as said;)

From what I have seen, most X4's have problems above 2500-2600Mhz, mine included.
that mostly counts for all variants that have locked parts, and probably the am2+ phenoms... C2 revisions of the 945,955 and 965 should all do at least 2600, and most probably 2700... sometimes, but not rarely, they also were able to go to about 2800,with some tweaking (i have one of that kind)
with the c3 revision, all deneb related silicone has its overall clocking ability improved, and can do much more similar clocking, to fullsize C2 phenoms...modern C3 Phenoms, and especially Thubans are reported to clock to about 2800-3000mhz NB, with good memclocks.
(even tho they are x6, they are still about the same architecture)
So i guess you cant say, that most have problems... i guess you just got an unlucky one :(
how high can you clock the memory?
Having troubles in heat department for now, though not too critical. Guess either the stock AMD HSF not keeping up with frequency, or didn't correctly applied ChillFactor III. Downvolted - 1) interesting word :) ; 2) lowered the VDDA volts to keep the temps lower - 2.50v. BTW : scrolled down in AI Tweaker section of BIOS & suddenly found the "nf200 chipset voltage" option : leave it be @ auto or should still play with it ? Goes from Auto to 1.20v to 1.50v max in 0.02v increments.

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P.S. Successfully raised the CPU's multi to 20x in BIOS today (a hour or so ago), got to the profile screen (meaning - just a click away from getting into desktop), but feared of the CPU to become an omlet on me for more than apparent reason, so reverted back to 3.9GHz. BTW : congrat me - though i don't remember exactly @ which month, but i still successfully run this 3.9GHz OC with almost no freezing (& abso-f***ing-lutely no single BSOD'ing) issues for months now & that is under "mere" stock AMD's HSF. Week or 2 from now - and i am completely serious this time - i'll post my 4.0 & later (hopefully) 4.1GHz OC on air.

P.P.S. Which of 2 progs to use on 4.0GHz OC & for how long : Prime95 or OCCT & for 1 or 2 hours ? Thanx.
Go Water, Xan! Israel is a country with a hot climate!:toast:
Whats the diff between nb with am2+ and am3? mines at 1800 would moving this up do anything?
im going to be installing my water loop tomorow it's testing atm seems good so i hope with the loop i can break my 3.6ghz wall if not i might just be running cooler.

Sure, it would yield as much as clocking the NB on AM3... on am2 tho, you wont be able to clock as high, often, depending on the boards capabilities.
try for 2400 and see if its stable, it should give you a nice boost :)
 
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I think iv tryed tghis before and it would still say 1800 wher ei looked at my ram but showed the oc in the mian cpu-z page. if i can remember. was a while agao. mobo foxconn a79a-s
 
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Whats the diff between nb with am2+ and am3? mines at 1800 would moving this up do anything?
im going to be installing my water loop tomorow it's testing atm seems good so i hope with the loop i can break my 3.6ghz wall if not i might just be running cooler.

yup first thing I do is up the NB on my PII x4 940BE from 1800 to 2000 it's an easy jump it can get squirly after that and as Velvet Wafer said it depends on whether the mobo can handle it going higher
 

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underclocked CPU to 1GHz @ 1V,
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took out the fan from the stock HSF. max temp with only stock heatsink(no fan) is 47C (side panel closed, ambient 30C).




oh and if u want the ROG CPU-Z just post here or PM me, i'll upload to some filesharing.
 
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underclocked CPU to 1GHz @ 1V,
HT and NB @ 1GHz too.
took out the fan from the stock HSF. max temp with only stock heatsink(no fan) is 47C (side panel closed, ambient 30C).

http://img.techpowerup.org/110320/Untitled.png


oh and if u want the ROG CPU-Z just post here or PM me, i'll upload to some filesharing.

Not bad. What kind of voltage and frequency do you get at stock settings with Cool and Quiet and C1E on?

Btw, you can get CPU-Z ROG edition directly from CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/news/40-rog_cpu_z.html
 

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Not bad. What kind of voltage and frequency do you get at stock settings with Cool and Quiet and C1E on?

Btw, you can get CPU-Z ROG edition directly from CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/news/40-rog_cpu_z.html

cool and quiet idles at ambient temps with fan on the HSF. load temps are around 45C
i dont use cool and quiet though.
CnQ uses 3 steps.
800MHz 1V
1800MHz and 1.1V
ad 3000MHz at 1.3V

previouslt i used ASUS's EPU-4 and directly used that to manually change between performance and max energy save.

High Performance :-
CPU 3000GHz, 1.36V
CPU Fan lowest at 3000rpm,
other 3 pin fans at 12V i.e max RPM


Max Power Save:-
CPU 800MHz, 0.98V
CPU Fan lowest at 2000rpm(at this RPM, amd's stock fan, the louder variety, doesnt make any audible noise either)
other fans @ 5V (around 2000rpm for most fans)



i liked the EPU-4 because it tweaks all fans' speeds and thus regulates noise as well.
it tweaks the fans by automatically using the ASUS Q-fan function..


Now, i have used stock OC settings, but used the Q-fan to make the fans as quiet as possible.
I.E.
starting voltge = as low as possible.
starting temp = as high as possible
full speed temp = as high as possible.
 
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@ Velvet Wafer. I never really pushed the memory (RAM) on my X4 system.
 
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previouslt i used ASUS's EPU-4 and directly used that to manually change between performance and max energy save.

High Performance :-
CPU 3000GHz, 1.36V
CPU Fan lowest at 3000rpm,
other 3 pin fans at 12V i.e max RPM


Max Power Save:-
CPU 800MHz, 0.98V
CPU Fan lowest at 2000rpm(at this RPM, amd's stock fan, the louder variety, doesnt make any audible noise either)
other fans @ 5V (around 2000rpm for most fans)
Thanks for reminding me of EPU, as of recently i also am proud owner of an Asus board;)

@ Velvet Wafer. I never really pushed the memory (RAM) on my X4 system.
Thats the easiest way to see, if your IMC is weak... just set 1600 with normal timings... if it doesnt work per divider AND per HTT, you can be pretty sure, that your procs NB is the culprit ;)
 

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so far so good 4200mhz 1.47500v 3hours stable, nb 2800mhz 1,275v
 
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so far so good 4200mhz 1.47500v 3hours stable, nb 2800mhz 1,275v

if you can hold that stability for a week, your proc is officially declared as monster by me! :D
 

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thanks man working on it, actually believe it or not i had it at 4.3ghz 1.55v or something, and had nb at 3000mhz nb, with better cooling i will try to make stable
 
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thanks man working on it, actually believe it or not i had it at 4.3ghz 1.55v or something, and had nb at 3000mhz nb, with better cooling i will try to make stable

i never was able to achieve more than about 4.2 as a valid :laugh:... and that with idle temps below 20c:D

yet alone the ability to touch 3000mhz NB, is telling me that its a good proc... better than mine for sure;)
 

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thanks again, give or take i bet i could be stable at 4300mhz with less voltage, i know one thing i made it into windows at 4.4ghz wasn't even close to stable but still a good sign , and yea i think Ive got a lucky chip, not bad for 97 dollars, get this i sold my phenom x4 955 c3 which only got 4ghz stable at 4ghz 1.5v
 
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Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon R9 290
Storage Samsung EVO 960 250gb, EVO 850 250gb, Vertex 3 128gb. 2 TB of Rotational.
Display(s) 1xAsus MX299, 2x Asus MX239, Oculus Rift CV1
Case Sunflower Tower
Audio Device(s) C-Media CMI8738/C3DX
Power Supply Corsair TX850
Mouse Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Software Win7 64Bit Ultimate
thanks again, give or take i bet i could be stable at 4300mhz with less voltage, i know one thing i made it into windows at 4.4ghz wasn't even close to stable but still a good sign , and yea i think Ive got a lucky chip, not bad for 97 dollars, get this i sold my phenom x4 955 c3 which only got 4ghz stable at 4ghz 1.5v

you have one of the very few golden chips, that are misbinned to be a lower class chip... AMDs dumbness is your luck! :)
even for 200 dollar, this thing would be far from bad.... unlocked, and then OCed far from most phenoms capability :D
 

Corduroy_Jr

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just need a better gpu now
 

de.das.dude

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Cooling 240mm Rad | Not needed | hyper 212 EVO
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Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse RX6700XT 12GB | Vega 8 | Sapphire Pulse RX580 8GB
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VR HMD ;_;
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Benchmark Scores There are no marks on my bench
just assymetrically underclocked.
1 core at 3GHz
1 core at 2GHz and
rest two at 1GHz :D

 
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Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon R9 290
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Display(s) 1xAsus MX299, 2x Asus MX239, Oculus Rift CV1
Case Sunflower Tower
Audio Device(s) C-Media CMI8738/C3DX
Power Supply Corsair TX850
Mouse Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Software Win7 64Bit Ultimate
just need a better gpu now

i would love, if AMD would give me my Money back, because they betrayed me with fake charts that showed phenoms ability to clock to 4ghz+ on air... sadly that is impossible.
And if AMD fails with Bulldozer...i will be one of the first people to tell people "buy Intel".
AMD has disappointed me on several things my now, things i regard as important... and if they finally cant built a proc that is least on par with 2600K... well, then i was an AMD fan for the longest time. ;) one failure was enough... i dont want to see another in my lifetime, from a company that scale, with that much money *spits on the ground, angrily*:mad:
YOU HEAR AMD? IF BULLDOZER IS S***, THEN YOU CAN GO TO F****** HELL!
(upon finding out, that his proc will never be able to get 4ghz stable without zero degrees)
 
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