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its not worth it, apps dont know which cores are faster, so you'll end up with performance locked apps.

i would say, that the first 2 cores should be fast (eg 3ghz), and the last 2 ones slow (800mhz), as most applications today support at least 2 cores (due to Intels early HT implementation, as you probably know, Mussels:))
of course, that has no benefit besides energy saving ;)
 
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Go Water, Xan! Israel is a country with a hot climate!:toast:

Maybe later when i'll have enough ca$h for it & after i'll find some decent hi-tech job (near where i live there's Intel's offices complex, or maybe file the request to work in M$ in another town) - i'll go for Hx20-EDGE or somethings even bit more efficient. For now - VenomousX + 2 floor fans outside of PC, enough. Plus i'll always keep the temps lower with room fan, so the ambient temp won't be above 15-17C. Trust me it works, in hot & humid Israeli summer. :) Thanx nevertheless. In April 10 i'll let you & rest of TPU forums guys know bout my venture into the land of air OC'ing. :toast:
 

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i would say, that the first 2 cores should be fast (eg 3ghz), and the last 2 ones slow (800mhz), as most applications today support at least 2 cores (due to Intels early HT implementation, as you probably know, Mussels:))
of course, that has no benefit besides energy saving ;)

yeah but the apps dont default to core 1+2, in win 7 they jump around the place. they dont even need to be new threads, they literally get shuffled around as win7 tries to even the load.


I too played around with this stuff, and decided to just get a decent OC and leave CnQ on. (black edition reaaaally helps with that), so i get good idle and good load.


Plus i'll always keep the temps lower with room fan, so the ambient temp won't be above 15-17C. Trust me it works. :)

I hope you mean aircon, because a fan alone cannot lower ambients at all...
 
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I hope you mean aircon, because a fan alone cannot lower ambients at all...

Can if you close the window & put it to max - after 5-10 mins of run room suddenly becomes colder. You mean, it won't help to lower the ambient temps inside the PC alone ? True. Have one floor fan outside of PC case right now, so in summary i'll need room fan to lower the room temps obviously, one floor fan @ the side of case & one fan in front of HDD fan - 3 fans in total. Trust me - it'll work & it works. Thanx for tip nevertheless.
 

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Can if you close the window & put it to max - after 5-10 mins of run room suddenly becomes colder. You mean, it won't help to lower the ambient temps inside the PC alone ? True. Have one floor fan outside of PC case right now, so in summary i'll need room fan to lower the room temps obviously, one floor fan @ the side of case & one fan in front of HDD fan - 3 fans in total. Trust me - it'll work & it works. Thanx for tip nevertheless.

no fans literally cant cool anything. they just circulate the heat. it can more evenly divide the heat (for example, case fans spread hte heat out into the greater pool of air in the room as opposed to the case) but fans cannot make air colder - only relocate the heat.



putting a fan in a room will make zero change to the actual temperature, it can only relocate the heat (for example, blowing it out a door/window, or sucking cooler air in from the same)


you can cool a room down by shutting the PC or whatever off for a while, since the PC is no longer dumping heat into the room, it'll eventually even out and cool down... but again, thats not the fans doing.
 
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I'll just say few things dude : with all do respect to what you say, contrary to everything you typed in your last post - the room i live in i know it better (since i live in it, as well as with the appartment lol). So. The structure of the room (dark toned, 2m wide 4m tall), it absorbs the cold air pretty fast - less then 1 hour is enough for it to absorb cold air entirely. From what i understand the ambient room temp should be no more then 25C max when you OC anythings inside PC. With the room fans i'll get, i beleive that it will be in 10 - 15C range. I repeat - trust me i know my room's absorbing abilities best & that's the way it is. And again - not that i not respect your statements, i do.

I'll make a deal with you : By April 10 i'll let you know how things are for me in a cold department, deal ? :) Thanx for tips, again. :toast:
 
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hmm experimenting done. mussels was right. silly apps are blind. moreover amds cpu is blind i guess. but even at 1500 all cores i hardly felt any performance lag during normal work. but games = nono. LOL

i fixed it at 2.4GHz just to compare with my bros intel proc with 4 cores but 12mb L2!!
 
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yeah but the apps dont default to core 1+2, in win 7 they jump around the place. they dont even need to be new threads, they literally get shuffled around as win7 tries to even the load.


I too played around with this stuff, and decided to just get a decent OC and leave CnQ on. (black edition reaaaally helps with that), so i get good idle and good load.
Interesting, is it impossible to force win7 to let the shuffling be?
Or make it default to 2 fixed cores, with some registry setting?

yeah i guess CnQ is the choice if you want the best of both worlds.
Before i had my phenom, with my old X2, i used Crystal CPUID, to set low medium and high clocks/volts as i liked them... i also set a VERY low switching time, so within a second, the proc was able to change clock levels 3-4 times, depending on the load, was at least a lot faster than CNQ and personally customizable.... sadly, it doesnt work with phenoms, as no one seems to have updated it within a few years:(
 

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A little utility called Process Lasso will allow you set which core to run which application(s). :)

 
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A little utility called Process Lasso will allow you set which core to run which application(s). :)

yeah, i meant something like that...would have wondered me, if that would have been impossible to set :D
 

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yeah, i meant something like that...would have wondered me, if that would have been impossible to set :D

Yup it's a very nice handy utility but click on the wrong thing and you will need to uninstall it in safe mode cause it can render your PC unusable. One thing I wish this board had was independent core overclocking/multiplier settings in bios. I would have to use CPU tweaker to do what I wish to accomplish.
 
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Yup it's a very nice handy utility but click on the wrong thing and you will need to uninstall it in safe mode cause it can render your PC unusable. One thing I wish this board had was independent core overclocking/multiplier settings in bios. I would have to use CPU tweaker to do what I wish to accomplish.

ewwww... luckily you told me that before i installed it :laugh:
i used K10Stat for changing volts and multis... worked like a charm ;-)
 

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K10stat, interesting, I'll have to play around with that for a bit. As it stands, cores 2 & 3 on this cpu can't go past 3.9Ghz whereas 0 & 1 don't mind being pushed further on the same amount of vcore.
 

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K10stat, interesting, I'll have to play around with that for a bit. As it stands, cores 2 & 3 on this cpu can't go past 3.9Ghz whereas 0 & 1 don't mind being pushed further on the same amount of vcore.

K10 stat saved my ass when i had a Foxconn 790gx... as the board had no option to change CPU-NB in Bios... so at least clocking over windows was easy.. K10stat is also very stable... the world record of 7.2ghz on a quad was clocked thru it, in windows;)

Regarding your stability.... i needed 3 boards to get 3.9 stable... only my current board is able to do that :D
 
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I think my chip/mobo hates ht over clocking i cant get more then 215 with 3.5ghz or it crashed . do now have 2600 on my nb and ht clock still at 1800 my mobo looks like it has an extreamly small nb heat spreader is it safe to push my nb farther?
 
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I think my chip/mobo hates ht over clocking i cant get more then 215 with 3.5ghz or it crashed . do now have 2600 on my nb and ht clock still at 1800 my mobo looks like it has an extreamly small nb heat spreader is it safe to push my nb farther?

There's not a lot of gain to be had from OCing your HT. More than 2GHz HT is pretty much a waste of time. NB is far more useful there.
 
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^^^ I agree, NB overclocking is a night & day difference. :toast:
 
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I don't have experience with Opterons but with Phenoms at least, the NB speed is vital.
 
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thz for the into i just got my water cooler working and want to push it. it seems to be just a bit over 10deg cooler sofar ant that's it with all fans on low and 2x 120mm taken out. and I'm at school atm i will try this when i got home. my chip seems to be a 3.6ghz wall. no mater what iv tried. but my ram is golden it seems so i might push it farther and install my ram cooler fan not that it can fit.
 
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You have only tried 1.4v? I would try higher to see if you can at least get 3.8 GHz. Those chips can hands voltage. Stay under 1.55v.

EDIT: On the Phenom II 940 I had, I got 4 GHz effortlessly @ 1.52v. I know all CPU's are different but, it's just so you have an idea.
 
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