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The Ati vs. Nvidia Image Quality Thread

Who has the better IQ this generation?

  • Ati

    Votes: 85 56.7%
  • Nvidia

    Votes: 19 12.7%
  • None. Both have the same.

    Votes: 46 30.7%

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ok how about my 2900?
 
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I tell ya what, if someone can show me that ATI cards handle the ridiculously botched coding of games like EQ2 and Oblivion, I'll buy one just for that :)

+1 Oblivion.

The games runs with stutters on my X1950pro.
Haven't tried it with my 8800GT.

For me FPS is not the big deal.
Stutter free games are.
Unfortunately that usually comes down to the coding.

Oblivion stutters on the PS3 too.:rolleyes:
 

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My 2900XT runs it flawlessly.
 

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My 1950pro 256mb did a pretty damn good job at 1280x1024 / 1440x900, sure not everything maxed, but a lot on High. And my x1950xtx was able to do a little better with higher settings...there may be the rare hiccup here and there, but last I remember the gameplay and smoothness was quite a bit better than when I tried it on my 9600Pro or x850xt pe!

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My 2900XT runs it flawlessly.

Yea mine runs oblivion great also. Full 1920x1200.

I will admit though the performance hit from turning AA on can be anoyying at times.

I havent had a 8800 so I cant comment on image quality.
 

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I think the image quality thing is very subjective and quite often is game dependant based on the games code/architecture, that can directly benefit one manufacturer or the other depending on the cards architecture, so, you look at Oblivion and ATi may have a little better IQ, you look at Bioshock and NVidia might have the better IQ etc
 

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tatty makes a good point.

I agree with him to be honest, the older (broader) problems have us looking at 'which looks best' when these days it really does come down to the title - some games are made hand in hand with Nvidia or with ATI, so those games look better on one over the other.
 

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The real image quality difference is going to be made by your monitor anyways.
Ironic that people using cheap TN panel LCD's will talk about image quality.
 

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The real image quality difference is going to be made by your monitor anyways.
Ironic that people using cheap TN panel LCD's will talk about image quality.

its because they struggle so damned hard to get the quality, with such a handicap :p

My TV at 1366x768 with its ginourmous pixels actually looks better than my high res 22" screen, due to the fact its a full 8 bit panel. People really are missing out buying the cheap LCDs on the market these days.
 

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erocker,
Would you like to elaborate how RV670 looks better than G80?

Any RV670 users that want to do a Crysis IQ comparison with my 8800GTS 512MB and 9600GT by exchanging saved games so we get the exact same screen from both cards?

Mainly with colors. With ATi, colors are way more vibrant, which in turn makes the textures look better as well. It's very noticeable with games on Steam for some reason, but noticeable for everything I've played none the less. I should be getting a 8800gt coming my way soon to compare more. I do prefer Nvidia for anything 2D related though, as their monitor "callibration" or whatever you want to call it worked really well with my substandard 22" widescreen.
 

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i would never go as far as to say "way more vibrant"

in comparison screenies, i have noticed slight color differences, and ATi's sometimes appear to have more depth, but imo its never even enough to notice during gameplay.
 
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I'm not sure how comparably more vibrant colors in 3D are a sign of superior image quality - games aim to mimic reality and as we all know, in reality nature has no bright and vibrant colors. And for the record, how would we know that the colors produced by Radeons are closer to those intended by developer?

Image quality is not a subjective matter.
 

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Image quality is not a subjective matter.
Image quality is completely subjective. Image accuracy is not.

The real image quality difference is going to be made by your monitor anyways.
Ironic that people using cheap TN panel LCD's will talk about image quality.

Good to see there's somebody else that doesn't fall into the response time trap. I just can't wait to get my Westinghouse monitor replaced. I hate this 19" Samsung.
 

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its because they struggle so damned hard to get the quality, with such a handicap :p

My TV at 1366x768 with its ginourmous pixels actually looks better than my high res 22" screen, due to the fact its a full 8 bit panel. People really are missing out buying the cheap LCDs on the market these days.
Totally agreed.

Higher resolutions are overrated anyways IMHO.
 

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I'm not sure how comparably more vibrant colors in 3D are a sign of superior image quality - games aim to mimic reality and as we all know, in reality nature has no bright and vibrant colors. And for the record, how would we know that the colors produced by Radeons are closer to those intended by developer?

Image quality is not a subjective matter.

Agreed. That's one of the arguments that I've been debating for ages in IQ comparisons between different brands also including Intel IGP, Matrox, S3 and others.

The same happens with LCD vs. CRT. Some people say LCD looks way better than CRT because of the same reason.

It has nothing to do with the quality, anyway. There was an experiment where thay tried to test this. It was not about any brand, just an experiment to test how people saw their reality and how colors could affect people:

They showed two screens to many people with some image comparisons and ask which one looked better. It was the same picture on both screens all the time, but one of the pictures was altered with more vibrant colors, though they were false colors. They changed the false picture from one screen to the other between subjects to eliminate the screen as a factor. They showed many different pictures from different parts of the world: tropics, deserts, forest, cities... The grand mayority of the people chose the false picture. When asked about the reason they had a hard time telling why, "it just looked better for them". Only people who worked in jobs related to image (photographers, image designers, painters) where able to say the reason and most of them choosed the image that was not altered. Another interesting thing is that on pictures of cities more than half the people chose the right picture, claiming that the other one had false coloration, "cities don't look like that". This is really interesting because on the article itself* there was the comparison where most people chose the altered picture: it was a tundra like forest that looked almost as a tropical jungle to me in the altered picture!!

The conclusion of the experiment was that most people can be "fooled" by colours, and that the closer that they are to them, the easier it is for them to recognice them. For example since most people lived in cities they chose the right city pictures, nature photographers chose the right pictures when the theme was nature, etc.

*I read an article about the test and it's conclusions, not the test files myself.
 
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Image quality is completely subjective. Image accuracy is not.
Well now, that's an absurd idea.

If we were to capture a screenshot rastered with software (that would be the perfect image), compare it to one rastered by a "GPU A" and another pic by "GPU B", there would likely be differences. Which one has better IQ? The only answer that makes any sense would be: "The one is closer to the image rastered in software", NOT the one that a given viewer thinks is more pleasant. If IQ somehow were a subjective matter then the very name of the term "image quality" would not be valid.
 

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Image quality is completely subjective. Image accuracy is not.

Image quality is not subjective. Image preference is. Image accuracy is part of image quality, a big part of it. Anisotropyc filtering is all about image accuracy, same about anti-aliasing. Colour accuracy is also important in IQ, though I could admit that on games overall it could not be all that important for some people. On cartoonish games like TF2, Prey, Bioshock, etc its importance is low in general, though the closer to what developers wanted to do, the better. And we should take into account that, because they spent lots of hours trying to find the best colour balance and consequently, best "feeling". We, image designers DO spend many hours on that, I think game developers do it too.

On games like Crysis that is out of question. Image accuracy is all what it matters...
 

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hehe and english language is failing us all here :p

More or less: to those who arent that educated, they chose the brightest,shiniest colors.

When i was younger i know i looked at things in games and thought 'that looks crap, stupid games' and then later on saw the same effects in real life (example, chain linked fences from a distance have some sort of shimmer effect, a 'sparkling' effect on tips of small waves on a river - i lived near the ocean so i was basing it on how the ocean worked)

Oh as for color vibrancy and those who love it - Nvidia actually have a driver option for that. you can go quite further than ATI's method - my way of seeing is that people with poor screens can get lost colors back (i used it on my old, wearing out 19" CRT)
 

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Well now, that's an absurd idea.

If we were to capture a screenshot rastered with software (that would be the perfect image), compare it to one rastered by a "GPU A" and another pic by "GPU B", there would likely be differences. Which one has better IQ? The only answer that makes any sense would be: "The one is closer to the image rastered in software", NOT the one that a given viewer thinks is more pleasant. If IQ somehow were a subjective matter then the very name of the term "image quality" would not be valid.
To the most people, the one with better IQ has nothing to do with what the developer wanted. It has everything to do with their personal preferences. One could have more vibrant colors than the developer intended, but that may look better to the person in front of the screen, so to them, it has better IQ.

Accuracy however, cannot be called into question. It can be measured. Image quality cannot. It's purely a matter of opinion on the user's part. If image quality was measured as a function of accuracy, half the LCD makers out there would be out of business.
 
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To the most people, the one with better IQ has nothing to do with what the developer wanted. It has everything to do with their personal preferences. One could have more vibrant colors than the developer intended, but that may look better to the person in front of the screen, so to them, it has better IQ.

Accuracy however, cannot be called into question. It can be measured. Image quality cannot. It's purely a matter of opinion on the user's part. If image quality was measured as a function of accuracy, half the LCD makers out there would be out of business.

I completely agree as I'm comparing with the hardware I use with the image displayed in front of me. As an artist with a background in mostly painting, my eyes are trained to to decipher and process color, which has a big impact on what I consider "image quality". Color doesn't make texture, but it helps define it.
 
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To me a it just matters what your playing it back on. Not in less you have one ATI and one Nvidia card, the exact same monitors and at the same resolution. But this is only going show which has the better picture. But most of us go towards performance and details within a game or benchmark. but anyway, that's my two cent!
 

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My last card was an evga 8800gts 320, current card his 3870, I can honestly say I can't see the difference between them, I have only really played Stalker with both cards and to me eyes there is no difference in how the game looks 1 card to the other. Just my opinion though:)
 
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So it just boils down to semantics:
What I consider as "image quality" you think as "image accuracy". Maybe that's because my definition is based on the term image quality used in photography where just like DarkMatter said, image accuracy is a part of image quality. IQ only means the extent the device is able to replicate the scenery as human eye perceives it. If a camera distorts color hue in any way - no matter if the result was more pleasant for the viewer - it has worse image quality than the one that does not.
 

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Wile E, erocker,
So it just boils down to semantics:
What I consider as "image quality" you think as "image accuracy". Maybe that's because my definition is based on the term image quality used in photography where just like DarkMatter said, image accuracy is a part of image quality. IQ only means the extent the device is able to replicate the scenery as human eye perceives it. If a camera distorts color hue in any way - no matter if the result was more pleasant for the viewer - it has worse image quality than the one that does not.
Yeah, I think you are correct. It does seems to be nothing more than semantics at play here.
 
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