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The movie industry is dictating that DRM be built into Intel's new line of CPUs.

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  1. Nick89

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    Full story: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...pcoming_Core_chips_to_secure_streaming_movies

    Looks like another reason for me to not buy Intel.
     
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    No, I'm not upset. I do not agree with DRM being built into our processors, its an invasion of privacy on some level. A processor should be a processor, it should not monitor what we watch.
     
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    please, dont be stupid.


    every time one of these DRM discussions comes along, someone always goes "OMG ALL WHO OPPOSE, CONDONE PIRACY/CHILD PORN/ETC"


    its a ridiculous statement to make.


    just let this conversation be about hte new DRM and how its going to screw our lives over in a few year with more ridiculous security measures.
     
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    Why do you assume that the objective of DRM is to curb piracy? What evidence do you have that DRM effectively decreases and deters piracy? Is it not the case that DRM is simply a means of forcing paying customers to pay more whilst ensuring that media distribution is placed in the hands of an increasingly limited number of companies? Such companies want you and I to forsake all ownership rights and enter into a lease contract, are you willing to accept this without a fight simply because they suggest that piracy must be attacked?
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Yes, I am willing to accept that. I don't mind paying people for thier work, and no, I don't need to own everything eternally. DRM has no real impact on my life that is negative, and I spend more time on my PC than most.

    I just dropped $2500 on yet another Gibson guitar. I hate to say it, but DRM ensures that that purchase was possible.

    I guess it might not seem useful to those without any "need" for it, but as someone involved in the creation of media, DRM is ultimately essential to protect my own rights.

    I don't have any real care for "privacy" either, so I guess my opinion may be skewed.
     
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    Whoa Deja Vu!
     
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    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

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    DRM has an effect on my life.


    i want to connect my z5500 speakers to the SPDIF output of my TV and get 5.1 sound from my PC/games consoles, but i cant. DRM requirements of HDCP/HDMI dictate that HDMI sources into a TV only allow 2.0 stereo PCM audio out of SPDIF.


    you may think 'im a legit user, it doesnt concern me!' but i assure you, it does. crippled features are abundant with this crap. how would you feel if you couldnt watch HD youtube content without a specific video card, CPU and OS combination? no reason you cant do it, except that you MAY record it/download it for your own nefarious purposes, copying and spreading that pirated copy of a sleeping dog sleepwalking its way into a wall.
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    It's no big deal for me to go buy the parts required. It's called researching your purchases. That purchase also translates to those dollars paying employees, etc...

    I don't really care for DRM, however, I do not see it as a bad thing. Eventually it will be seemless..unnoticed...
     
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    I actually think its a big deal if I'm required to go buy more parts to do what my computer hardware should already be capable of doing, streaming high def. content to whatever destination I choose (whether it be a TV, monitor, or my hard drive). Additionally, now there might be the situation where only an Intel processor can give you access to online content and if you're stuck with an AMD cpu, well too bad. True if this catches on then maybe AMD will implement the same 'feature' on their processors but I'm getting pretty tired of the movie industry dictating hardware/security requirements to the PC industry. Their intent isn't for any advancement or progress, simply how to make their bank accounts grow.
     
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    i find what there doing kinda rediculous, they have no place to be putting that in a processor and even if they do i give it a couple months and someone finds some wacky work around, to get rid of that crap. and i say goodriddance, i dont pirate stuff either, i agree that a procoessor should be a processor, i have always been amd, but if this catches on, who knows what thell be doing next, nip it in the bud i say
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Well, I see all these things as extras in life, that I do not require to survive. You may see it as inconvinience, I see it as a luxury, and as such, you must maintain that luxury. Like a classic car, it needs maintenence, and done right, numbered parts, etc...memberships to special clubs, etc...

    Welcome to life with real money, dude. Money is NOT important. Spending it is what it's intyended for, not holding on to it. You hold on to the ideas and media to ensure that you have a constant strema to spend, but you don't hesitate when it comes time to pay the bills.
     
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    If by seamless and unnoticed you mean that everyone will have a big bearded guy standing behind you with a club so that everytime you think about doing something remotely close to illegal on a computer you get whacked in the head .... then yes, extremely seemless :toast:
     
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    its the opposite to a classic car. its a new car with speed limits (so you cant accelerate faster than a set rate or pass a certain speed) where the seats cant be adjusted and you cant attach a tow ball to use a trailer.

    giving a decent analogy here: the new car (despite its lack of features) is 30% more fuel efficient. the philosophy is that if you dont agree with it, you obviously hate the environment, murder puppies and agree with all evil things about pollution.


    (if you still dont get it: SUPPORT OUR CRAP DRM OR YOU ARE A PIRATE. screw legit users, they're probably pirates anyway)
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Sure, I get that, but you are not making music or video for sale, are you?
     
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    trickson OH, I have such a headache

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    I think this is a great thing . Maybe this will stop all the pirates from hacking and stealing shit !
    I do not like people that steal no reason for it ! I am poor and I do not steal .
     
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    i am proud of you, great ethics.

    however it is naive to think this will solve ANYTHING. it is equally naive to think piracy has a large enough effect on profits to warrant the lengths they are going to.

    the real reasons movies are losing profit is the majority are unoriginal drivel, and so many have moved to games as their primary source of entertainment. I only watch movies/tv when i am tired of gaming.

    there are reasonable lengths, and then unreasonable. hardware-hardcoded DRM in my legally purchased legally owned components is unreasonable.
     
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    trickson OH, I have such a headache

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    While I agree with you I still think that it helps . And if it helps keep them from stealing then I say go for it .
     
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    Hmm interesting. I'm sure some dude in a basement will come out with a way to bypass this. It has always been the case anyways. Hardware or not, I'd bet a wager there is someone willing to do it for a challenge either with software or hardware! (remember the ps3?)
     
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    i agree. i will not be buying a sandybridge now. i don't want drm bullshit inside my processor. my processor is suppossed to be a damn high performance piece of sillicon made to crunch numbers, not to check whether the video i'm watching is pirated or not.

    this is on top of the new intel remote killswitch feature, which is also a gross invasion of my privacy.

    sandy bridge, you shall not near a motherboard while you're on my property.
     
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    yeah but how long? when next they require you to enter a special code every time you want to watch a movie, or use a usb dongle? you still may not care at that point, and i am sure it can get MUCH worse.

    you have to compare the actual damage of piracy, to the cost of research and development of these technologies, as well as the effect it has an buying decision, for example - my next processor will now be amd.

    they are talking about people pirating STREAMED movies, which guaranteed has an effect NEGLIGIBLE compared to warehouses of dvd copiers pumping out disks to sell on street corners. the kid trying to save an offline copy of a movie to MAYBE give a friend or family members is hardly worth adding unnecessary complications to my hardware!

    long story short, there is no way the threat warrants the reaction. and even if it helps a little bit , it's just allowing them to make HUGE leaps in taking over my purchases, for little benefit. a few more, and soon i don't even own my computer anymore.

    VERY well said!
     
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    I hate DRM not because it prevents me from being a pirate, but it prevents me from fair use of the content I buy.

    For example I buy a DVD of the Little Princess, DRM prevents me from decoding and converting that DVD to a video that works on my N900. DRM's purpose is to allow the movie companies to sell me one copy of any content per device. It's pure greed. I know that DRM is one way of a company trying to control media. Since when should a manufacturer control all legal uses?

    My car drives to the park equally as well as it drives to the zoo. My gun can shoot at cans or save my life in a home invasion. Imagine if your life depended on a product that had so many restrictions to be utterly useless unless within a narrowly defined usage. That is why I hate DRM, it is a tool for control that assumes everyone are pirates.
     
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    LoLz. It's interesting to see the comments.

    How do you protect your stuff? Your family? Yourself?

    This is artists protecting themselves. They HAVE TO PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD. because nothing like honor exists for most people today. those not part of the industry wil lnever understand, and that's OK, but OMG...


    Someone who is not an artist wil lnever understand the purpose or intent of DRM, as they have no "need" for it.

    But suck it up, princess...if you want to watch my movies, or listen to my music, you'll do it how and when I say, as they are not just entertainment...they are part of me as a person, and character.

    You steal parts of me, I'm coming to your house to take them back. You take my mind, I take your soul. :laugh:
     
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    ^ ^ Just the question I was looking for.
    I rip all my DVDs and convert them to either .mkv or .avi s I don't have to insert a disc everytime I want to watch a movie.

    Not only that I wonder if doing something like this wo9uld also affect me downloading TV programs as there is a couple of TV series only screen in the US which I have to download to watch.
     
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    you assume you are going to keep buying DVDs (BR, CDs, whatever)...ponder that;)

    My issue isnt so much on what this DRM may cause me in pain later, I'm more worried about the window it opened.
     

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