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The Technology Behind AMD's New Liquid Cooling Based Heatsinks

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  1. qubit

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    Following our article yesterday about AMD using new high performance liquid cooling technology for their upcoming 7900-series graphic cards, TechPowerUp can now bring you a detailed insight into how this technology works, which has been developed by Vapro Inc. The following slides will help to explain this technology.

    By using liquid cooling based heatsinks, the following performance advantages are achieved: improvement of thermal resistance, handling of high heat flux and power and easy to manufacture.

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    A microporous coating (MC) is applied to the hot side of the heatsink to help improve the heat carrying capacity of the boiling liquid, by significantly increasing the number of nucleation sites. "Nucleation sites" are surfaces that contact the liquid. Making the contact surface rough helps the water to form small bubbles sooner, allowing the boiling process to start more readily and be more vigorous.
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    The diagrams below illustrate how the boiling enhancement mechanism works. The droplet size and manner in which it is trapped are important factors in enhancing boiling.
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    The following diagram illustrates how the microporous surface increases the number of bubbles produced, allowing more heat to be carried away more quickly, leading to much greater cooling efficiency. Notice how the thickness of the superheated layer is much reduced, as the liquid boils away sooner, thus preventing it from building up and trapping the heat against the hot component.
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    Here, the enhancement that the microporous coating makes is shown in a photograph of the device in action. The coating is on the right side and the liquid can be seen to be bubbling away on the right side, but not the left side. A video demo on YouTube is here.
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    With a liquid-based cooler, one would expect its orientation to matter due to gravity and it does, but not by very much. In fact, mounting the cooler vertically actually improves performance at higher power levels, compared to the horizontal orientation. Note that the cooler works just as effectively face down for high power levels, where it matters most. Efficiency reduces somewhat at low power levels, but this doesn't really matter very much, as there isn’t much heat to remove anyway.
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    Next, we can see a comparison between the way current vapour chamber technology works and the new liquid chamber technology. The most common form of high performance cooling technology today for graphics cards, is vapour chamber cooling, where a small amount of liquid evaporates from the hot surface, is wicked up into the radiator where it cools and then condenses back into liquid, where the cycle starts again. On the other hand, liquid cooling uses a much greater amount of liquid, which actually boils. The resulting vapour then condenses back into liquid form against the radiator and goes back into the pool of liquid resting against the hot surface.

    Potential issues with vapour chamber technology are the potential for it to dry out due to the small amount of liquid present, not very robust physically and difficult to make. Liquid chamber solves all these problems and more.
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    Here, we see a comparison of cooling effectiveness between two vapour chamber modules and two liquid cooling modules. Notice how the liquid modules do measurably better, especially at low flow rates, allowing the fan to rotate more slowly, therefore leading to a quieter cooler.
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    The chamber can be made just 2 mm thick and still achieve good cooling capacity, compared to a 4 mm thick one. As one can see, the 2 mm chamber is almost as effective as the 4 mm one, until around the 175W level, where the 4 mm chamber's performance starts to pull ahead.
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    The design objective for liquid coolers is to be fitted onto very high powered graphics cards, where 400W+ is expected to be consumed between the GPU and its supporting circuitry, especially the power circuits. 400W+ is a level that previous technology would struggle to handle effectively.
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    These test results show that the cooler's orientation makes no difference at the tested power range. Also, it's more effective than the stock 8800 GTX vapour chamber cooler that this has been compared against, especially where more power is being dissipated by the graphics card.
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    Below, is a quick summary of the benefits of this new technology, the most prominent being the efficient handling of large amounts of heat, making it suitable for the high powered graphics cards of the future and being relatively orientation free.
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    The company's website is at www.vaproinc.com
     
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    Next time, Qubit, can you re-size the image thumbnails in such a way that the text in the image is legible in the post itself? There's no way I'm going read this and have to click through 12 additional webpages with the images legible to be able to get the full information provided.

    Thanks. ;)
     
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    So much for the argument that 28nm is likely to mean more lower power consumption. My guess is that the 28nm performance/enthusiast will still be nudging...or downright abusing the PCI-E spec in an effort to wring out as much performance as possible

    /thank god for that.

    Either the wonders of marketing, or these guys have been on a verrrrrry slow ramp
     
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    Use the lightbox on the frontpage.

    http://img.techpowerup.org/111113/bta8764kjhd.jpg

    We can't change the thumbnail size standard.
     
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    Good read!!! a ha, picture is becoming clearer now. ggreat bit of info to mull over, thanx!
     
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    Fit for 400W+ ... WTH? On 28nm that'd be enough for something over 3 times the power of current top-crop.
     
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    A very simplistic way in advancing the chamber cooling methods. Though it now seems totally obvious from my other hobbies and knowledge, mainly aquaculture and filtering type "fluidized bed". As here the object is creating surface area and the more the better in a small space - micro etching could be useful as well but creating more surface area in a given space is the key :) - very obvious now but I wouldn't have come up with anything like that so it does seem good to me - I want to see comparisons though on actual cooling comparisons at different angles done with multiple units of both types at different loads though lol.
     
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    Well that is at 5000 RPM fans as always :laugh:
     
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    There's several questions not answered by the slides:

    - What's the liquid used?
    - What's the internal pressure? Standard atmospheric pressure would have water boil at 100C, far too high
    - As the temperature rises, so does the pressure. A lot. And there's a fair amount of liquid in the cooler. How does it handle this?
    --Is there some kind of safety valve?
    ---If it goes off, then the cooler becomes useless and the card either burns out or shuts down from an overtemp control

    These are important questions that need answers.
     
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    it is insane - gfx cards pull more power than the rest of the pc together yet they remain cards...
     
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    The pressure is very low. The liquid start to boil as soon as heat is applied, even if the GPU is 40 degrees some liquid is boiling but its never under any real pressure.

    The liquid is probably a trade secret but usually a combination of ammonia, water, acetone and methanol for consumer electronics.

    They use liquid metals for hardcore industrial purposes that can cool more than 1000 degrees but I dont think they use metals in graphics cards lol.


    http://www.thermacore.com/frequently-asked-questions/default.aspx
     
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    There are many things that could work and work well.


    Freon
    Water under vacuum
    Ammonia


    http://www.benchtest.com/heat_pipe1.html


    For the actually minute amount of liquid and strength of tubing and solder I'm not anymore worried about the copper than I am the aluminum tubes in our home A/C that carry liquid under almost 200PSI of pressure and it being hot.


    Ammonia coolers are still in massive use today as a much more cost effective setup, and in use in many RV's and other places by using a hot bulb pump.
     
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    woah this is actually high tech shit!
     
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    Yeah, how you do that? How can you post big images? I still don't know. :( :cry:
     
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    This is too science-y for me to comprehend

    But if since it's better than the current coolers, that's good
     
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    Thanks, that was a really good find. I've now added it to the news post. :toast:
     
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    small pictures on the page

    It's just because your GPU card is still using the old type cooling.
    Larger pictures might overheat your oldfashioned pre-2012 45nm GPU
     

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