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  1. NdMk2o1o

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    I pay maybe 10k a year in tax, £30 is absolutely nothing, the govt squanders money left right and centre, I should know I work in IT and the money they waste in IT year in and year out is unbelievable, one example, my company a few years ago got a million dollar order for a govt plan that never even went ahead, we got the order and payment and in the end they scrapped the plan and didnt even use the software, this kind of shit happens all the time and not just in IT. The govt are the biggest wasters of money you will ever come across this is fact.

    That said you are complaining about £30, what would you do, cut all benefits? for the small minority of people that claim when they shouldnt would you take away money from low income families or single parents just to make sure your hard earned £30 isn't going to some sponger? nevermind £30 when the govt gets hold of the £1000's in tax that you will inevitably be paying it they will waste a hell of a lot more than £30, its all in context IMO

    And I know you like your maths, so of the average wage of maybe 15-18k perhaps 3k of that will be in tax (not to mention all the other taxes they hit you for after VAT, council, road etc etc) so that £30 equates to 1% of your taxes.
     
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    I do get your point. Back home, all the fancy things like supporting the poor and homeless is arranged by government affiliated charity funds. Rather than have a blanket cover, they actually do what you guys refer to as "means tested", people who needs benefits will get them, and they are pretty efficient at collecting and distributing taxes (except for a fiasco where they had an equivalent of £50 mil and counting while people were suffering :eek:).

    I grew up in a middle-middle class family (enough for a comfortable living but no fancy rigs and stuff), both my parents grew up in relative poverty, so I am drilled from young to value money. If you would believe me, the first time I received any form of pocket money was when I was 15, and that £5. Total pocket money as of now received from my parents amount to much less than £100. And we don't celebrate christmas, never received any "red packets" (with money) in Chinese New Year from my parents, etc etc.

    £30 might not be a big deal to a comfy person like you (judging from £10k tax, you probably make above £30k pretax, which is rather comfy), but for the majority of the inner city low-wage workers £30 will feed them for 2 weeks, and that's relatively high to them.

    Problem with democracy is that whenever something gets unpopular, it gets shafted and the government will spend money to bury the problem. In a rather more autocratic country like where I am from, whatever is good for you gets shoved down your throat, whether you like it or not (of course, that includes some poor policies too, but at least they are not wasting money in a monumental scale like UK). Oh, and UK government is extremely computer illiterate.

    Edit: my education in UK is fully sponsored by my government, not a cent from my parents :D. That includes living expenses (but I will have to budget carefully if I want extra money to spend on fancy computers and stuff).
     
  3. NdMk2o1o

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    Again you are not taking my comments in the centext they are meant, yes £30 to some people is a lot of money, I am fortunate to have an ok paying job, though 2 years ago I was on JSA, struggling to find work and when I did it was minimum wage, so I do know what it is like to be hard up, and its not good.

    My whole point was just about the general consensus of people on benefits when really it is a very small percentage of them who take the piss, and another point I was making is the media and politicians like to shove this down our throat and make it seem like thats where all our tax money goes, guess it takes the honus off of them.

    By the way £30 a year works out to 57p a week, which again it depends in what context you look at things.
     
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    As a honest citizen, what should you do to? More precisely, what can you do? After reading your post carefully, I realised that I am barking up the wrong tree. :eek:
     
  5. NdMk2o1o

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    Regarding benefits? well there isn't a lot you can do that will stop all benefit cheats, you can cut it down but it's like anything, shoplifting, stealing cars, you can always put measures in place to stop it though unfortunately as is human behaviour some people will always find a way, thats just the way it is.

    And care to explain
    As far as I am concerned I am voicing an opinion, it might not sit with your own though that doesn't matter cause we can agree to disagree.
     
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    Fourstaff Moderator Staff Member

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    I went about ranting about my life whereas you are just talking about the £30 spent annually and how its hard to eliminate it.

    Edit: your workload must be rather light to be trolling TPU at this time of the day. Having my lunch hour(s) atm.
     
  7. NdMk2o1o

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    Quit your attitude, if you must know I am off work today not that it's any of your business, now I never asked you to comment to my original post relating to this and now you are really starting to act your age in calling me a troll cause you have nothing else to go by. If you don't like my opinion you are not forced to reply, we do liver in a democratic world so you are free to go about your own business as you see fit.

    And lunch hour(s) well enjoy it, and enjoy your education that I am paying for by your own words as I work and pay my taxes and you are getting an education and living expenses on the state.
     
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    InnocentCriminal Resident Grammar Amender

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    See, politics and the inequities they cause... boo!

    Now for something really important. Do I bite the bullet and purchase from OcUK and get a £180 5870 or do I get a £170 6870 from Novatech who I love & trust?
     
  9. NdMk2o1o

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    6870 FTW, though thats a good price on both. You should be able to oc to 5870 perf easily, slightly better power consumption and DX11 performance, it's a no brainer.
     
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    6870 dude, no question, firstly the 5870 is on OCUK :laugh:

    Second if you grab another 6870 later you get epic crossfire :D

    + a small overclock puts it on par with 5870 :laugh:
     
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    Very sorry for calling you a troll, I confused TPU with GN (where I call all activities in TPU trolling as I never do anything constructive here as demonstrated above :eek:). Meant no insult.

    As for my education, I will be working for my government whatever job they see fit to give me, for 10 whole years, whether I like it or not. No bonus and low wage increase. Similar to paying off the education in UK, but as for me, I am chained to 10 years of servitude to my country (which is not that bad seeing that I will have a job waiting for me, no matter how shit it is) whereas in UK you can have a choice. I if my government decide to be a dick, they can get me to sweep the roads and I will have to do that. Heard stories about a guy graduated first class engineering from Cambridge who was working as a mechanic to mantain government vehicles during his 10 year bond.

    Edit: People have said that I am socially inept, and this perfectly demonstrates the case, perfectly fine conversation which turned into me insulting you. Very sorry about that again. I do appreciate if people tell me off when I step out of my line, and please do whenever I do step out of my line.
     
  12. NdMk2o1o

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    Hey look no problem whatsoever, tbh I got called a troll yesterday and I think I was still a bit pissed off about that when you mentioned it, though I get what you mean now following this.

    And I have been lurking(trolling?? ;) ) around TPU all morning now, I think I better get my arse into gear tbf :laugh: :toast:
     
  13. Tatty_One

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    Friends now? I would look very stupid having to close this thread or at the very least start deleting posts..... nothing (within reason) should be "off topic" in here, we should be able to discuss anything going around within the confines of the general forum rules, however it only takes one to be offended and one is enough for me to have to take action..... let's hope it never gets to that.
     
  14. scaminatrix

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    I shall give you an e-slap if you buy from OCUK :p
    j/k Novatech all the way.

    I can safely say I'm off work for at least the next 5 days so I'll be spending more time here annoying you lot bumping my threads and such.....
     
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    InnocentCriminal Resident Grammar Amender

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    The tall standing TPU members... HEH HEH HEH!

    Yeah, I've been hovering over the order button on the Novatech 6870 for days, I should really buy it before I don't have the money. Or I could wait until the 6950/70 launch.

    :p
     
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    Is this 5870 one of their B-grades? If so, I'd definitely go for the 6870. I'm with you on the Overcklockers/Novatech comparison.

    I've been shafted a couple of times by Overclockers, but always received excellent service from Novatech.

    However, I think the best option is to wait for the new AMD high end, as this will cause prices to come down and you'll be able to get 5870 performance for less.

    EDIT: Just saw your second post on this after I posted - and now I definitely think you should wait! :)
     
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    InnocentCriminal Resident Grammar Amender

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    Yeah, I'm going to wait. Last time I didn't I ended up buying my a 4870 and then the 4890s came out for less money.

    :(

    Learning from my mistake better not back fire this time though.
     
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    Tell me about it, last year I as going to buy a 2GB Vapor-X 4870/4890. Glad I didn't now.

    In (about) June I bought a Raven 2 for £110 and now it's at over £140 :D
    Bought 4GB OCZ Reaper C7 for £140 and watched it go straight down to £85 :mad:
    And I feel stupid buying so many WDC Black's when I should have gone with the Spinpoint F3's :mad:
    But hey, we shall learn
     
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    Oh yes, excellent idea. Get rid of all the other members, leaving just me and then I get all the freebies. :D :rockout:

    <Funny looks all round from the other members>

    What?! :eek:
     
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    Found that old logo; the more I look at it, the more it looks, well, unfinished.
    [​IMG]
     
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    It could be finished by adding the rest of Ireland in there. (yes, yes, I know Ireland isn't technically in the UK, but if their rugby teams can play nicely together ...)

    I should really shut my mouth, because I can't create graphics or logos or anything for shit, so I shouldn't really be one to criticize or advise.
     
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    Sometimes; it's the "outsiders-looking-in" that bring a different taste to the table ;)
    Unfortunately, the project save file is on the wife's rig (the one that keeps killing monitors) so all I can do at the mo is change background colour
     
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    No, I agree mate. And on the same note we could also put the french in there being as they are our neighbours? *Runs for cover :roll:

    But joking aside :p I dont mind I just like to take the p*ss, ask Irish Pixy? (is that his name???) as he is the only Irish one I can think of.....
     
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    omg lifeonmars you live like 20-3minutes away from where i live haha.:laugh:
     
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    Awww... why does no-one live near me :(

    Wanna go for a drink with one of you.
     

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