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TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, May 12, 2012.

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Should Intel release a new IVB revision to address temperatures?

  1. Yes, more OC potential is needed

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  2. Yes, but not immediately

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  3. No, Ivy Bridge works great

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  1. erocker

    erocker Super Moderator Staff Member

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    But if you have a 2600k/2700k, there's no reason to get Ivy Bridge.. Unless your current SB chip is a complete dud.
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    that can be addressed without much problem ;)
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    You bet. I'm actually kind of hoping though, that we see shims for sale again, to make it much easier for average users to take advantage of.
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    Lower power usage overall. S-B doesnt scale well in power usage once overclocked compare to I-B
    Improved Memory controller
    PCI-E 3.0 - If you want this then your getting a new board and USB 3.0 native support and other improved perks like improved memory speed support on boards.

    People upgrade for farless especially the so-called Enthusiast. 3770K and 2600k/2700k are all mainstream chips. I agree if you have a 2nd Gen i-Chip there isnt much to it. Although if your coming from a 1st gen i-Chip or lower the $10-$20 dollar differance is a no-brainer to go with Ivy-Bridge.
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    Well this mean buyer will have to change the Thermal paste i hope some guide soon tell the buyer how to do it safely :p 4.6Ghz at 1.2V for +20$ then Sandy look Tempting for new buyer
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    4.6 isn't that hefty.

    However, its a good reference point at displaying differences between a single variable and stock.
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    T4C Fantasy CPU & GPU DB Maintainer

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    the thing is if you dont already have sandy bridge go for ivy if you have sandy stick with it.... ivy bridge is close to the same price
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    By the time they fix this you might as well get haswell.
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    Seeing people systems specs and reading the forums I havent read many post that this will actually effect them.

    Its more of a look we found an issue so we pile on and everyone seams to jump on the bandwagon to justify there purchase or lack of it.
    More like a child saying no I want same temps and same volts on I-B that I had on S-B, no no no..

    I dont know, I bet 1% of people here it will make a differance to. The overcloakers that arent penny pinching. Could probably count them on one hand but then again they arent buying mainstream chips either.

    There goes that theory eh? :banghead:
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    Yes, I know about IB. PCI-E 3.0 doesn't make a difference, USB 3.0 isn't a part of IB but the chipset. IB takes more voltage to overclock and scales about the same.
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    I dont think intel would shoot themselves in the arm land do that for no reason. They just dont wanna compete with themselves. Meaning ivy bridge being equal tosandy bridge is a win for them as ivy have a tiny 160mm2 die sizes so their margin is even bigger, what ivy is targeted at is mobile, if u comparesb mobile and ivy bridge mobile u willl notice that ivy achieves much higher frequencies and not ivy ultrabooks will perform like sandy bridge notebooks which is a big improvement.
    So ivy takes the mobile market as thats what tocks are practical for as being improved process and lower power/TDP while they keep the high end with sb extreme where for thst market po wer consumption isnt as important as max overclock and oc headroom.
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    17 at idle and 69 at load differance isnt exactly same

    Well to say your not concern with it is one thing but saying its wasnt there is ignoring a feature and an improvement thats there.

    :toast:
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    SB does 4.5 GHz @ 1.2V on avg???
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    i just want to know how INTEL with the best engineers and testers miss something stupid like that?????
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    Maybe it was intentional? Tired of OC'ers getting stupidly high performance from their CPUs. There's no real-world usage reason to upgrade when all you have to do is plop up the clocks a few Ghz.

    If you think about it, today's IB i5's at stock clock are probably comparable to a 4600mhz qx9650. So a 5ghz 2700k is probably comparable to the next gen's processors at stock clock. Basically a free 3 years of RnD.. surely that costs intel some money?
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    It had to be intentional and I believe I may have nailed it with the marketers and beancounters: :)

    NinkobEi says thanks.
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    Yup...... Intels main competitor is itself.....overclocked last generation equal current gen.....the true ivy bridge would go toe to toe with has...a...well...full of profit for intel:laugh:
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    I've been assured that they did this on purpose and it was an excellent business decision.... :eek:





    I don't agree with them however. I think it was really stupid. :p
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    Unless intel has a 'special' ...black/ultra/XX version around the corner without any tatical errors
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    It is a mystery why they switched back to thermal paste. It must be cheaper, or easier to assemble, or there's something special to 22nm?

    AMD still uses paste, I think.

    To me, Ivy Bridge is most interesting in low power applications. Can't wait to see the new ultrabooks. For desktop, bring on Haswell...
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    Hahaha. Once I saw and posted the delidding here, I knew it wasn't a power density issue. Intel is too smart for that. Now the question is why use TIM vs Fluxless? If they used fluxless, would 5GHz be too easily obtainable maybe? I don't know, but I can't wait to find out.
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    Won't happen. Two chips alone (3770K and 3750K) are not enough to justify the expense for the R&D, especially with maaaaybe a chance of a new revision. By then, Haswell will be out or close to it.
    Last edited: May 13, 2012
  25. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Bullshit. A shim is a bit of metal that will brace the CPU agains the heatsink, and prevent damage to the core. NO R&D involved, jsut a couple of measurements, and cutting some metal, or even plastic.

    like this:

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    You can pretty much guarantee that extreme guys are gonna want one.

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