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TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, May 12, 2012.

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Should Intel release a new IVB revision to address temperatures?

  1. Yes, more OC potential is needed

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  2. Yes, but not immediately

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  3. No, Ivy Bridge works great

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  1. _JP_

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    I've got a 3770k and am happy with it. Sure, it idles at 30C and can get up to around 60C on full load, but knowing that they skimped out on A) the quality of TIM used and B) the fact that they wanted to save a few bucks by not soldering the IHS, and then charge more for the CPU, it does annoy me quite a bit. If they change that with a new revision that's dodgy as well imo.
     
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    Thats actually better then the OP test but I dont get the big deal maybe its just me

    If the 3770k is is doing 34C on idle and 61C on load i thinks its fine.

    61C @ 3.9ghz on stock cooler

    84C @ 5ghz on stock cooler

    Unless everyone missed the part where he left Turbo Boost on the chip turned on.

    For Air cooling I think thats fine
     
  4. eidairaman1

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    I shimmed mine, Ive even crushed a CPU before because I bent the HS Clip to add more pressure
     
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    Well I am using a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo with Arctic Silver 5 paste. It's always nice to have cooler temps though and I would've liked for it to be a bit cooler but really not too fussed. More just in my head thinking it's bad because of all the press, but I'm actually happy with it though and I won't be kicking up a stink tbh because I moved from an AM2 4200+ system!

    As a side note, Mussles, you live a couple hours away from me. Wanna take my IHS off, reapply some good TIM and then put the IHS back on and see if we see a nice drop in temps? :p
    Seriously though, if Intel offered a optional recall to have better TIM on it as a revision, i'd take it in a heart beat. Free new CPU with cooler temps!
     
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    Easier, but not better. I can say I honestly don't know how people manage to crack their cores. If you use spring loaded bolts and nuts, and tighten 2 of the heatsinks/block's mounting screws diagonal from each other at the same rate at the same time, you'll never crack a core. Then you do the same to the other 2 until the reach the same tension. You don't need to crank them down on a bare core, just need them snug enough to not move.

    I would totally do this to a $300 or less cpu. Not to a more expensive one though, at least not until it's already out of warranty. That's the entire reason my 980 still has it's lid. lol.

    I'd have to agree there. If I were building a new system, I would definitely go IB though. The only way I would go from SB to IB is if I were going from a 2500 to a 3770 to gain hyperthreading.
     
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    I doubt it. 5ghz was going over 100C in reviews. With WC.

    All this TIM thing is a bad move, that ihs is for protection against damage and uneven pressure that could crush the transistors.

    For average users those temps are going to escalate in time since tim gets bad after long periods to the point that will harm the CPU. For the average overclocker it's the worst, its hard to have the guts to maybe potentially destroy the CPU. Removing that thing is tricky.
    Why would intel release a product that is worse for 99% of customers and better for 1%?

    removing the ihs and replacing the tim and putting back the ihs is just proving that it was the worst idea ever. Fixing their job, really? There is only 2 options, use it as is and have bad temps, and remove it risking losing the high value chip for better temps.
    Sure the 3 option is remove it, place new tim and place it again, but again this is just proving how bad this design is.
    I hope this won't happen ever again and is fixed with new revisions. If they wish to get that 1% release batches with tim, like 3750kk? or something
     
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    sombody needs to start breaking some dies and figuring out exactly what kind of forces they can take as well as start machining shims
     
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    I got the stock cooler part wrong

    A 3770k on Turbo Boost will upscale 400mhz.

    Disruptor4 said he was using a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo with Arctic Silver 5 paste and the reviewer is using a Thermalright Silver Arrow

    So before he take out the TIMMY!!!!:rockout:
    Hes getting 5ghz on load when he leaves Turbo Boost on at 4.6ghz@1.2V witha max temp of 84C

    Focus on the top bar :twitch: on each run
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    If you go to this chart before he removes poor one legged TIMMY!!!!:rockout:
    Hes able to base clock it to 4.9ghz@1.45V and run Cinbench without a Themal Shutdown so if Turbo Boost is on hes getting 5.3ghz before reaching 105C

    Thats not bad Air Cooled considering Sandy-Bridges had issues getting to 4.5ghz stable. Factor in the SB to IB differance and its like running a Sandy-bridge at 5.6ghz air cooled.

    Focus on first table :twitch:
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    This should be expected from a tick anyway (Tock being an improvement in architecture, tick being a shrink) Im honestly not worried about the temps anyway, this chip looks catered to overclockers anyway. I wonder if 2011 has this chip per se

     
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    Good old Socket A 462 Duron .Thunderbird/Thoroughbred shims.....:respect::respect::respect:

    For Socket 939 was not needed also The 462 Palomino chips,Just clarify the year 2000-2001 ;) We seen the first IHS on AMD when socket(first gen x64 cores) 754 I think was out for a short time before the X64 send gen 939 boards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_754

    Hm for Intel to do this ,They must have some reason,Do I think it is bad?, maybe Seeing how some user want to overclock the IB chip,But why I think SB is the better of the two.
     
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    That made no sense whatsoever. Your original comment was confusing enough, and now you just took it to a whole new level. aye yi yi.
     
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    Apparently it's not only AMD that has non-competent marketing people... I have no idea why Intel chose to use cheap TIM instead of fluxless solder. I understand if it's cheaper, that they would use it on non K-series CPU's, but for the love of god, why didn't they go with fluxless solder on the unlocked CPU's? It can't be much cheaper to use TIM, and I for one would be glad to pay 10 - 15 bucks more for better thermals. Not that it's a critical problem, since a IB CPU overclocked to it's max is usually faster than a SB CPU clocked to it's max, even if the SB CPU is clocked higher. But it would still be nice to see this fixed in a later revision...
     
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    So who is this Tim and why is everyone so ticked off at him,…..?

    LOL, just kidding. I expect Intel may address this with later revisions and start using more traditional fluxless solder. It is something of a blessing to some though, just don’t crush your core in the process.

    My theory was that the chip got too hot even with fluxless solder so fusing it to the heat spreader may result in weakening its electrical connections as the heat spreader heats and cools (expands / contracts). However, that’s probably not likely if the solder can help keep the temp down, which this artical seems to suggest,....
     
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    oi oi oi....you know taking off the heatspreader has been found counter-productive since the beginning of multi core architecture.....it's there for a reason...

    IT WORKS

    will replacing the tim help,,, yes.

    but ALL of the air heatsinks and water cooling cpu blocks were designed for use with a heatspreader...if only 1 heatpipe crosses your poor lil ivy chip, what good is that???
     
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    Oops - Intel went cheap basically constrained or hobbled it this round to be able to later offer the same chips (with a simple fix) and a boost in clocks. Intel got caught! :slap:
     
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    Intel can use TIM under their new chips as they do not NEED to try because they have no competition.

    Sure they may get hotter with over clocking in comparison to Sandy Bridge but still beats the offerings of any chip of any other manufacturer.

    So they can cheap out and still be ahead.
     
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    i know the SB-E has fluxless solder under its hat and not TIM, but i don't think that's what you're asking.
    would you mind elaborating a little on what it is you're asking? i'm sure between cadaveca, Aquinus, and me we'll be able to answer.
     
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    I kinda wonder if maybe a company like Apple, who want to put these babies into their new macbook airs, will call Intel out on this and force em to apply a higher quality thermal solution... I've seen a guy post intel burn test temps of his brand new MSI Ivy laptop at 95 celcius, you cant really expect to pay $2000 for a brand new laptop just to, best case scenario have it's lifespan shortened conciderably / worst case demolish your fertility.
     
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    Notebook CPUs don't have heat spreaders...
     
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    unless they have the desktop version in the laptop :p
     
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    This is totally UNACCEPTABLE !
     
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    The results achieved going lidless suggest otherwise.
     
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    Laws of physics disagree.
     
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    Yup, this heat issue sucks.
     

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