Discussion in 'techPowerUp! Club Forum' started by stinger608, Nov 14, 2009.
Classic shit P4-630! I loved my Club 3D 6800GS <3
Sorry for (again) a double post...
Gonna get Nokia N8 and E6 prototype for 50€
Hi guys and girls.
I decided to jump on the deal a friend made to me a one month old motherboard for 30$ and rebuild myself a setup.
Mobo : G31M-GS R2.0 (30$)
CPU : 6300 SL9SA 1.86gig/2M/1066FSB (Going on overclock at least 2.5gigs) (Junk)
CPU cooler : CoolerMaster Vortex 752 (15$)
Memory : (4gigs) 2gigs Kingston KVR800D2N5/2G + 2gigs Transcend JM800QLU-2G (Junk)
Graphic : Asus EN9800GT HB/HTDI/512M/A (Junk)
Optical : DVD-RW LG GH22NS70 (Sata2) (35$ back in time)
Hard disk : Samsung Spinpoint SP2504C (Sata2) (Junk)
Power supply : Enermax NoiseTaker 2 EG495P-VE (2$..yeah you've read right!)
Case : Aerocool Qx-2000 (120$ back in time and used it in many setup already)
Will probably add a 3.5" cards reader and use it for Office, Youtube, Facebook, Downloading, Battlefield 2 multiplayer. Maybe time to open my nib Arkham asylum to try it.
Total cost of the setup 47$. Junk parts are parts i got from people who don't want anymore, municipal ecologic recycling depot and even on roadside the day of garbage.
JunkBear: Damn what a sweet set!
too bad none of them are still owned tsk tsk
also i really need to find a SIS 6326 3D Pro AGP (i think i saw one pretty affordable on Ebay ... ) that was my 1st AGP card... i had it in a K6-2 build (1st self assembled one ) i still have the Heatsink of it ... tho xD
oh well i need a G31 mobo for my spare 6300 or ... to use the 6700 2.66(1$) that replaced my 6300 1.86 i had in my DC7700p(free) with 4gb DDR800 Corsair XMS2 (free) ... hu... i love the DC7700p for internet/video/and retro XP gaming ... (ok the R7-240 is a bit too much... ) ... man i wan't a Wolfdale CPU back .... too much Conroe in my collection ...
My first own computer was a casio palmtop pc with windows CE.
I ordered a modem for it and I could use the internet (dial up).
After that I had a laptop from packard (hell)bell with 2Ghz celeron, no wifi and cam in it at that time.
Amazingly I could play GTA Vice City on that laptop! The laptop had soon overheating issues, I used it a lot for 3d rendering and that was just too much for that laptop, I replaced the celeron 2Ghz processor once for a used P4 1.8Ghz, short after that I sold it.
After that I bought a normal pc, Acer Aspire,
(something like this but then with Pentium 4 630)
had it several years, upgraded graphics card and later on I had build my own system with Lian Li case, I was happy with it.
Later on I bought an Asus laptop, and just recently I bought this Asus ROG laptop, I'm happy with it
My dad still uses my pc which has a cpu e7200, gpu HD 4870, 4gb geil ram , windows vista.
Another try with the digicam. It's not really as easy as it seems. When you want a clean white background, the cards always look somehow artificial. Maybe I'll test some other lighting later and the pics get better.
As I see in this moment, 1 chip of the Diamond Monster seems broken, but its only dust .
From what year are those cards? Are they the competition of the ati 9800 cards?
These cards are afair from 1997. They are years older than the Radeon 9800. Also they are just 3D-accelerators, you need another (2D) graphics-adapter to make them run. The Voodoo Graphics-Chipset was the first way to have (for the time they were on the market) performant 3D-graphics on the PC.
The original Voodoo Graphics was introduced in October 1996. That was around the same time that ATI introduced the Rage II.
Radeon 9800 was introduced in March 2003.
The other player in 3D graphics chips at the time of the early Voodoo cards was 3DLabs. Their first Permedia chips were out at around the same time, but I don't yet have an exact date for them. Permedia 2 was launched around summer 1997.
My precious RFM's and the only Permedia 2 I got.
found this in my dad's old boxes
I have one Permedia 2 with me, and another coming soon from my drop shipper in the US. The card I have here is a Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro 8MB AGP, the other is the AccelGraphics AccelSTAR II I recently posted a pic of. I've bought a few 3DLabs cards recently (most collectors don't seem to be jumping on them and pushing prices up!).
I'm not really interested in the Permedia because there were better chips, but it's an interesting piece of hardware though. As I'm collecting old hardware, there will be always a place, even for the 2nd winner .
From 3Dlabs/ dynamic pictures I've got some cad-cards. The OXYGEN 402 is really a beauty, and the Wildcat III 6110 would be nice to test in an older dual CPU- system. Unfortunately my dual socket A has no AGP Pro-slot. I think it would fit pretty well. I have got an Asus A7M266-D dual socket A board with AGP Pro- slot, but just because of the slot, I won't change from Tyan Tiger MPX to the boring Asus- board .
These are old pics with a little fresh paint. Maybe I'm taking some new pics this evening, but I should be working on the Thai-Chi/ Crossfire system/ case, instead of posting in hw-boards ... .
Looks like that Wildcat 760 has a bulging cap
Thanks for the good eye. I even don't know if the card is working. Never tested it . But a bulging cap should be no problem (I'm using Epox EP-8K5A3+ boards for my Voodoo 5- systems, so I'm used to exchange caps ).
The only AGP-Pro board I have is an Asus NCCH-DL. I haven't tested it yet, but have a Wildcat III 6110 and three Wildcat4 7110 to test when i eventually get it set up. I'll also have a dual Coppermine board soon, and am on the lookout for a couple of other AGP Pro boards.
I also have a boxed Wildcat VP560 and a boxed Oxygen VX1 en route to my drop shipper. The VX1 has the original driver disk, but I don't think I'm so lucky with the VP560.
I'm watching a number of 3dfx cards on eBay, just not so quick to bid as they aren't all that cheap (at least, not by my standard and budget!). Hope to build up that part of my collection later in the year.
The first test system I'll be setting up is a 486 VLB system, specifically for testing VLB graphics cards. Have yet to see an affordable socket 4 board with VLB, that would be better. I then plan to slowly work my way through building a number of retro systems, working my way through different sockets from oldest to latest, with the fastest possible CPU for each system.. My priority is to be able to test graphics cards for the website I'm working on (I'll add that to my sig when I have finished listing all current AIB cards). I think the hardest part will be getting reasonable cases at a good price which can be easily packed away when not in use. Not too bothered about getting age appropriate cases or PSUs though - for PSUs I'll use modern energy efficient units with adapters where needed.
Take your time! Most sellers are trying to get the weight of the card in gold. Just wait, look for bundles, search the offerings piece by piece. Often you find sellers who don't know anything about Voodoo or 3dfx. These are the ones where you get the cheap cards. And, as I said, simply wait. There are many cards out there. 3dfx is way overrated/ prized.
I still got two 486 under construction. They are a little like Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. One is a VLB/ ISA- system with an ECS UM486V AIO/ AMD Am486 DX2-66 (@83MHz) and 8x4MB SIMM-RAM which shall be built as a VLB/ SCSI- system, the other is a Chaintech 486SPM with SiS496/497 PCI/ ISA- Chipset/ AMD Am5x86-P75 (@160MHz (at the moment)) and 96MB FPM-RAM. This one is being tortured with everything I got. I've had a water/peltier-cooling running on it, and I had promising results at the PC-Player benchmark, but all this was eating up my time. Hours of searching after every silly little bug. If you want just a running 486- system, no problem, but if you want to start experiments, these machines can be a pain in the ass.
I did some oldie graphics-card testing one year ago > http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f204/benchmarking-aelterer-grafikkarten-967067.html
The writing is in german, but the pics and results are understandable. Have a look. One advice do I have for you: Buy or build yourself a benchtable. It's much more efficient when it comes to change the graphics-card three times in an hour. At the VGA-test I didn't have a benchtable, but soon after that i built one and I don't want to miss it.
I've made a 60mm oldie aircooler- roundup with the benchtable and it helps alot. You can download the roundup as a pdf there > http://www.file-upload.net/download-8327491/60mm-Oldie-K--hler-Roundup.pdf.html
Same as before, writing in german, but colorful pictures and diagraphs .
The day will come, and you want fine old cases for your fine old hardware. I always like to take the Chieftech CS601/ 901/ Dragon. Much room, solid as a rock and not to expensive.
It's not as easy as it seems. Modern PSU's have got a strong 12V lane, while oldie hardware needs more power on the 3.3V & 5V lane. My favourite is Enermax. I've got a hole bunch of them, from 330W to 565W.
Reliable and, if you wait for the right offer, not expensive. For most of the oldie Enermax-PSU's I paid not more than 5€.
edit: no post without pic . Normally I'm an AMD- guy, and there are many possibilities to build nostalgic, cool & rare systems, but I wanted this board because the 1-CPU Version was the board in my 1st self built PC (next PC was with an 1000MHz Thunderbird).
This is the dual CPU- version and with 2 slot 1 > socket 370 adaptors its possible to run Pentium III-S processors up to 1,4GHz. But first the crossfire- system has to be completed.
The first 3dfx cards I bought were a pair of TechWorks Power3D Voodoo 2 cards with sli cable.The seller had no idea what he was selling, and the picture was really out of focus. I paid £5.20 (around €6.50) for them, including shipping. That's the kind of deal I like to look for
The board I'm waiting on is coming from Germany. It's an Elitegroup UM4981-AIO, with built in IDE/FDD/IO. It was sold with 32 MB FPM, but I'm upgrading to the maximum 64 MB EDO. It also has a 5x86-P75, and I have a spare so can experiment with overclocking without too many worries. I want a VIP board (VLB/ISA/PCI) because that was always on my shopping list when they were new. The UM4981 also comes with a VLB Tseng ET4000/W32p 2MB card. As my first ever build had a VLB ET4000, that was one of the things that sold me this particular bundle.
I'll take a proper look over the next couple of days. I'll use Chrome, as it translates it automatically into English. Makes it a lot easier to follow some of the best tech sites
I've been considering buying a Dimastech benchtable. They're not cheap, but the size and features are perfect for me. I have a cheap Coolermaster benchtable, but it is flimsy and has no backplane to hold cards in place. I'm also seriously considering buying a cheap air conditioner, and having it fitted in a position that would be perfect for running the cold air through a couple of radiators and over whatever I am working on.
I'll have to look that one up and set up an eBay search. I already checked the other, often cheaper, auction site I use. Loads of great deals there but not in cases.
As for PSUs, I hadn't considered the difference in power on different lanes. Guess I need to look into that one.
I finally found a large sheet of polystyrene that will make a good background for some pics, so will hopefully get motivated to take a few pics this week
CPU is at 2.3 in overclock and seems to run stable. WEI : 5.9/6.0/6.0/6.9/5.7
Bad luck. Gpu became so hot it turned Thermaltake silver paste into jelly then itmade contacts between pins on gpu and burned it. No more even after cleaning it. So back with the one under my avatar.
Never use AS on GPUs, such pastes are electrically conductive. Use "normal" TIM only.
Too late. Next time i order thermal pads on ebay
i would say never use AS TIM ever ... but it's just me ...
Arctic (Arctic cooling brand) Mx-4 is way better than Arctic Silver 5 (Arctic silver brand) and Dielectric
even worse ... those dubbed 9.5wM/k pads are mostly fake (not fake thermal pad but fake thermal dissipation level)
use Arctic MX-4 8.5wM/k and by far the best dielectric TIM out there (i use it on every GPU/CPU/Chipset i re pasted in the past ... )
except the shady GD chinese "gold" TIM i brought on Ebay for 1€ a 1g syringe i only use it for the Opterons and AXP .,... seems to be silicon+ powdered copper which would explain the 2wM/k ratio. (well, electrical conductive and also no too shabby in the test i conducted)
Gelid GC-Extreme is a good choice as well.
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