trade a 1055t for a i7 860?

[cadaveca]

You're numbers are way off for some reason.

No, they aren't. Try running just one card, e. Been doing nothing much more than benching for the past couple of months. Got quite a few reviews up with 1156 numbers for F1 2010, with Ultra settings.

(edit: with Cat 11.2, BTW, newer drivers perform a bit better, and I'm talking at stock CPU speeds, 8GB 1333mhz CAS9 mem.)

 

[erocker]

and I'm talking at stock CPU speeds, 8GB 1333mhz CAS9 mem

Yuck, Running an AMD system stock is less than adequate, though I understand why you do it. Anyways, I'm getting 61fps average, ultra settings with a single card. I would expect SB to be a bit better here.

 

[cadaveca]

Yuck, Running an AMD system stock is less than adequate, though I understand why you do it. Anyways, I'm getting 61fps average, ultra settings with a single card. I would expect SB to be a bit better here.

It is, but not by much. Like I said, 65FPS. Stock cpu and mem, of course. Running 8xAA? What driver?

 

[erocker]

It is, but not by much. Like I said, 65FPS. Stock cpu and mem, of course. Running 8xAA? What driver?

Fps has been constant pretty much through the 11's.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well i can say from comparing results of various members on this forum and discussing performance difference with dave that


Bad Company 2
GTA IV
Shogun II
F1 2010
Dragon Age Origins + Awakening *aparrently with awakening AMD chips are more prone to system crashes from using all cores its a weird bug that wont be fixed
Dragon Age 2
Starcraft 2

all perform far better on Intel then Amd single card the performance difference is smaller but on dual gpu system the performance difference can be as small as 0% up to 50% faster in favor of intel

a good example is a Q9650 overclocked vs a i7 860 stock in Bad Company 2 with a 5970 the Q9650 got 70fps avg when overclocked on the i7 860 it hits 100fps stock. thats a 30fps difference with the same damn gpu, and the Core 2 Quad series is roughly comparable clock per clock to a Phenom II no matter the core amount,

In Dragon Age origins with the same gpu aka 5870 the difference between intel and AMD is around 40fps when comparing quadcore to 6 core aka i5 760 vs 1055T the 860 improves upon that further.

Sad fact is if your running a 6850 or lower you wont notice a difference if you have something better then that or multi gpu Intel starts to pull ahead and damn quick at that.

for $60 difference Id make the swap personally, as no matter what overclocked Phenom II benches you want to put up an 860 will overclock just as far or even further and still wins in terms of performance in just about everything imaginable.

 

[cadaveca]

Fps has been constant pretty much through the 11's.

You are also sporting a higher overclock than I am, both on CPU and GPU, as well as using unlocked shaders.

FPS picked up a bit with 11.5, on my gaming rig. Mind you, that could be due to Crossfire improvements, I am not sure.

Seiously, you've gotta be running the same hardware, same speeds, to be able to compare. I don't expect you to flash your cards back to stock, but it all adds up, and is why your numbers are different than my own.

Cinebench, of course, shows quite the difference in the OpenGL tests, too.

 

[xenocide]

<Voice of Reason>

Holy shit, someone on TPU that doesn't immediately reject the reality that a stronger CPU DOES IN FACT contribute to better Gaming Performance!?!1

/sarcasm

In all seriousness, the switch from a 1055t to an i7-860 would result in some decent performance gains, especially for that cheap. BUT if you're planning on buying a new GPU at this moment anyway, getting a better GPU with that money is the better investment. The deal you were offered is good, it's actually pretty great. But if you have a weak GPU right now, upgrading that should be your number one priority.

 

[gifted1]

Maybe i`ll finish the deal when i got my new vidcard, i belive that a gpu upgrade i my case is a better option!!

 

[Wile E]

well i can say from comparing results of various members on this forum and discussing performance difference with dave that


Bad Company 2
GTA IV
Shogun II
F1 2010
Dragon Age Origins + Awakening *aparrently with awakening AMD chips are more prone to system crashes from using all cores its a weird bug that wont be fixed
Dragon Age 2
Starcraft 2

all perform far better on Intel then Amd single card the performance difference is smaller but on dual gpu system the performance difference can be as small as 0% up to 50% faster in favor of intel

a good example is a Q9650 overclocked vs a i7 860 stock in Bad Company 2 with a 5970 the Q9650 got 70fps avg when overclocked on the i7 860 it hits 100fps stock. thats a 30fps difference with the same damn gpu, and the Core 2 Quad series is roughly comparable clock per clock to a Phenom II no matter the core amount,

In Dragon Age origins with the same gpu aka 5870 the difference between intel and AMD is around 40fps when comparing quadcore to 6 core aka i5 760 vs 1055T the 860 improves upon that further.

Sad fact is if your running a 6850 or lower you wont notice a difference if you have something better then that or multi gpu Intel starts to pull ahead and damn quick at that.

for $60 difference Id make the swap personally, as no matter what overclocked Phenom II benches you want to put up an 860 will overclock just as far or even further and still wins in terms of performance in just about everything imaginable.

It only makes a difference in benches. If you didn't have a counter going, you never would have noticed. I'm with Mailman on this. New GPU is the way to go.

 

[Funtoss]

i7 860 .. you wont regret INTEL

 

[xenocide]

i7 860 .. you wont regret INTEL

See, I wouldn't say it's just because it's Intel. It's because it's a better CPU given the use. He's a gamer, the facts are, the i3/5/7 CPU's are significantly better than AMD CPU's for that purpose. If he weren't using a low-end GPU, I would say there is no reason not to do this. But if it's the difference between him getting like, and 6850, and a 560Ti or even a 6950, then going with the GPU is definitely a much better idea.

I think in terms of performance, since he already has the 1055t, just getting a new GPU would result in a better overall gain. I would say a 1055t + 6950 would probably beat a i7-860 + 6850 a majority of the time. Getting the GPU now would make for better future-proofing as well, but that relly shouldn't factor into the decision, total performance gain should be.

 

[gifted1]

I think in terms of performance, since he already has the 1055t, just getting a new GPU would result in a better overall gain. I would say a 1055t + 6950 would probably beat a i7-860 + 6850 a majority of the time. Getting the GPU now would make for better future-proofing as well, but that relly shouldn't factor into the decision, total performance gain should be.

thats not really fair....because a 6850 isnt really a 6950!

 

[xenocide]

thats not really fair....because a 6850 isnt really a 6950!

That was the point. Context my friend, I was stating that since you were getting a new GPU as well, putting all of your money towards a GPU upgrade would be better than splitting it between the new CPU + the new GPU.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

It only makes a difference in benches. If you didn't have a counter going, you never would have noticed. I'm with Mailman on this. New GPU is the way to go.

actually im sorry to say i would notice,

as im pretty sure id notice the difference between 65% gpu usage vs 100% gpu usage on both cards due to a cpu bottleneck,

and since Shogun II is cpu intensive and melee battles will drop to under 15fps on any Core 2 Quad or Phenom II system but are fully playable on any i5 or i7 id notice in that game as well.

in SHogun II the difference in game is nearly a 100% performance increase from a core 2 quad / Phenom II to an i5 i7,

so while some games you wouldnt notice there are alot i would notice a difference in,

 

[TheMailMan78]

in SHogun II the difference in game is nearly a 100% performance increase from a core 2 quad / Phenom II to an i5 i7,

Source?

actually im sorry to say i would notice,

as im pretty sure id notice the difference between 65% gpu usage vs 100% gpu usage on both cards due to a cpu bottleneck,

Um hes only running one card.

 

[gifted1]

actually im sorry to say i would notice,

as im pretty sure id notice the difference between 65% gpu usage vs 100% gpu usage on both cards due to a cpu bottleneck,

and since Shogun II is cpu intensive and melee battles will drop to under 15fps on any Core 2 Quad or Phenom II system but are fully playable on any i5 or i7 id notice in that game as well.

in SHogun II the difference in game is nearly a 100% performance increase from a core 2 quad / Phenom II to an i5 i7,

so while some games you wouldnt notice there are alot i would notice a difference in,

i dont play shogun2 so i dont really care about that...what i do care about what the difference should be between the i7 and the 1055t in BF3, battlefield bad compagny 2
runs as smooth as a ****** on my 1055t at 3,78ghz

 

[TheMailMan78]

i don't play shogun2 so i don't really care about that...what i do care about what the difference should be between the i7 and the 1055t in BF3, battlefield bad company 2
runs as smooth as a ****** on my 1055t at 3,78ghz

Dude just get the GPU. There is nothing wrong with the 1055t. The GPU would be a far more worthy investment for a few reasons.

1. You are getting used goods. I don't care how good your friend is the stuff you are getting is used. Something small could make that board or CPU unstable. Something that wasn't relative in his rig. Maybe your PSU is more degraded then his. Stuff like that. Point is you may end up getting an unstable rig for 60 bucks. Why risk a perfectly stable OC on a 1155T for a small gamble of a few FPS? Not worth maybe 10 FPS is it?

2. A new GPU will give you a MASSIVE FPS jump over this CPU. So it comes to a choice as a gamer. Would you rather have 10 FPS (CPU) or 40 FPS (GPU)? I mean this really is a no brainer.

 

[gifted1]

Dude just get the GPU. There is nothing wrong with the 1055t. The GPU would be a far more worthy investment for a few reasons.

1. You are getting used goods. I don't care how good your friend is the stuff you are getting is used. Something small could make that board or CPU unstable. Something that wasn't relative in his rig. Maybe your PSU is more degraded then his. Stuff like that. Point is you may end up getting an unstable rig for 60 bucks. Why risk a perfectly stable OC on a 1155T for a small gamble of a few FPS? Not worth maybe 10 FPS is it?

2. A new GPU will give you a MASSIVE FPS jump over this CPU. So it comes to a choice as a gamer. Would you rather have 10 FPS (CPU) or 40 FPS (GPU)? I mean this really is a no brainer.

I`ll think i`ll do that..

 

[TheMailMan78]

I`ll think i`ll do that..

Good luck man! Post back when you go to OC that 6950

 

[gifted1]

Good luck man! Post back when you go to OC that 6950

I will, thanks man.

 

[xenocide]

what i do care about what the difference should be between the i7 and the 1055t in BF3, battlefield bad compagny 2
runs as smooth as a ****** on my 1055t at 3,78ghz

CPU-dependent games, you'd see a noticeable difference using an i7-860 imo. I do agree putting the extra money into a better GPU is the better purchase, but Crazyeye makes a valid argument. Although you may not play Shogun 2, he is speaking more to the fact that Intel CPU's offer unparalleled performance in modern games. AMD CPU's are cheaper, but it's because you have to offset the performance loss with a stronger GPU

 

[gifted1]

CPU-dependent games, you'd see a noticeable difference using an i7-860 imo. I do agree putting the extra money into a better GPU is the better purchase, but Crazyeye makes a valid argument. Although you may not play Shogun 2, he is speaking more to the fact that Intel CPU's offer unparalleled performance in modern games. AMD CPU's are cheaper, but it's because you have to offset the performance loss with a stronger GPU

ive just placed the order for a MSI 6950 power-edition
so there`s not enough money for the deal anymore, and imho ive made the right choice!
i`ll place benches as soon as ive got the card!!

but thank you guys for the post and the tips!!

Greetzz da_gifted1

 

[HossHuge]

gifted1 just a quick question off topic.

You must have your bus speed at 270mhz, is that right? And if so, what happens if you try to boot at say 271? With my Asrock board, I'm solid at 270mhz but I can't even get it to boot at 271.

 

[gifted1]

gifted1 just a quick question off topic.

You must have your bus speed at 270mhz, is that right? And if so, what happens if you try to boot at say 271? With my Asrock board, I'm solid at 270mhz but I can't even get it to boot at 271.

no probs here over 270 i can even go to 4ghz!! but thats only booting up its not stable..
wich bios do you got?

 

[HossHuge]

ver 1.9. The reason I was asking is because I'm interested in buying your board but the newer version called the 870 Extreme3 R2.0. It's an AM3+ board. It sounds like it's not going to give me a higher clock than I already have so I guess I'll look around more.