Up for a challenge?

[JrRacinFan]

Not hating bro. Just sayin.

 

[Cordero]

Not hating bro. Just sayin.

I understand.

 

[fullinfusion]

I don't trust buying from people. e.e

Anyways I linked a friend of mine who's somewhat of an expert so he can look over it and see if he can get me lower prices since he has to order parts for his shop soon anyways.

I used to buy from a local shop here and now I say FUC% THAT!!! Thats way to much IMHO...

Used bro! Never doubt it from the well known members

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well 1024x768 monitor = worthless for high end gpu etc, and a tiny 17 inch monitor will also be worthless for any kind of Digital Painting or any kind of graphical design,

i went for Computer Animation and Graphic Design 2 key things were needed to do well,

wacom tablet + decent monitor

17 inch 1024 x768 wont cut it, ask anyone around that does any kind of Digital Artwork,

 

[Cordero]

when you settle on a final budget ill do a better build, but on a 17 inch screen, and a $400 budget theres not much room to work with, what i linked above is about the best its gonna get,
$700 = $100 for OS = $100 for a monitor so thats $500 for parts alone, just $100 more then where you started, $750-800 gives enough room for a PC thats actually useful

Then push it to 750-800 and gimme something good.

 

[Cordero]

Hey look I doubled my original budget no regrets.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

DVD Drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X ...
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Oper...
RAM: Pareema 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333...
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB C...
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd Black 21.5" 5ms LED Backlight Wi...
CPU+ MOBO: Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...
PSU: OCZ ZS Series 650W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance ... ($25 off with Promo code EMCNFJC72)
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB...
Potential Case: HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower Comput...

Total Cost: $905
Total Cost after Promo Codes: $880
Total Cost after Promo Codes and Mail In Rebates: $845

Changing Motherboard can drop price another $10 give or take,
Changing to a HD 7770 and hope AMD fixes drivers for GPU accellerated Apps saves another $10

swapping HDD to 750GB Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB ...
saves another $10

Dropping to a 20" 1600x900 monitor would save $15
so another $45 can be saved if needed dropping price $800 after rebates and promo codes

As for Photoshop or any kind of Digital artwork your going to want NVIDIA gpus

considering AMD Open GL and accelleration is utter crap right now in comparison to Nvidia with apps like Photoshop, Autodesk Maya, etc not functioning properly with AMD hardware right now using Open GL, at least with newer series GPUs, aka HD 7000 series

 

[BarbaricSoul]

My suggestion-


AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W ... (known to be unlockable to a 6 core)
MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX A...
Patriot G2 Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRA... (figure 16gigs will do you good with your field of studies)
EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB... (was going to suggest a GTX550TI for $10 less, but this is worth the extra. Stolen from Crazy's build))
PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 600W Modular ... (very good brand and modular)
Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB ...
NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Bru... (Case has alot to do with personal preference, better you go look at some case and let's us make suggestions from the cases you like)
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X...
Acer S230HLAbii Black 23" 5ms HDMI LED Backlight ... ($139 for a 23" 1080p monitor, hell yeah)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

$890.90

 

[Cordero]

My suggestion-


AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W ... (known to be unlockable to a 6 core)
MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX A...
Patriot G2 Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRA... (figure 16gigs will do you good with your field of studies)
EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB... (was going to suggest a GTX550TI for $10 less, but this is worth the extra. Stolen from Crazy's build))
PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 600W Modular ... (very good brand and modular)
Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB ...
NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Bru... (Case has alot to do with personal preference, better you go look at some case and let's us make suggestions from the cases you like)
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X...
Acer S230HLAbii Black 23" 5ms HDMI LED Backlight ... ($139 for a 23" 1080p monitor, hell yeah)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

$890.90

That's actually the case I wanted.

How would the graphics card run the upcoming guild wars 2?
Or even Rift?
Or using crysis' graphics as an example?

Is it going to be stable enough to run multiple processes? I usually have Illustrator/Photoshop opened because I'm constantly transferring images. How about dual clienting a game?

And what does "unlocking" cores do for the processor? Overclocking, right?
I don't plan on it.

 

[techguy31]

If you plan on video editing and rendering and all that other stuff here:
CPU: i7 2600
PSU: 500w - 650w (Silver Rated preferably if you want good parts)
MOBO: H61 (Any)
Case: Your Choice
GPU: 6950 2GB (If you have cash get the 77xx series)
RAM: 8GB 1600mhz
SSD & HDD: 1TB F3 (Will do the job if you don't care about boot times)

If you plan on overclocking then get a k series CPU and change the H61 board to a P67 board and no need to buy a z68 board assuming you get a GPU. You could get these a lot cheaper if you buy used just to let you know.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

That's actually the case I wanted.

How would the graphics card run the upcoming guild wars 2?
Or even Rift?
Or using crysis' graphics as an example?

Is it going to be stable enough to run multiple processes? I usually have Illustrator/Photoshop opened because I'm constantly transferring images. How about dual clienting a game?

And what does "unlocking" cores do for the processor? Overclocking, right?
I don't plan on it.

not sure on the graphics as I don't play GW or Rift. Crysis one, I'd guess it could do most settings on high, maybe have to turn the shaders to medium or something, and get playable FPS. I base this on what my old GTX260 would do.

It'll be a stable system, just anyother system, if you have the bios settings right.

Unlocking, means literally, taking that quad core processor and turning it into a 6 core processor. AMD is famous for taking higher end CPU and locking cores so that they are lesser CPUs. The Bios of certain chipset motherboards allow for those cores locked by AMD to be unlocked. Unlocking and Overclocking are not the same thing. With overclocking, you tune the CPU to run at a faster speed.

 

[Cordero]

DVD Drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X ...
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Oper...
RAM: Pareema 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333...
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB C...
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd Black 21.5" 5ms LED Backlight Wi...
CPU+ MOBO: Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...
PSU: OCZ ZS Series 650W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance ... ($25 off with Promo code EMCNFJC72)
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB...
Potential Case: HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower Comput...

Total Cost: $905
Total Cost after Promo Codes: $880
Total Cost after Promo Codes and Mail In Rebates: $845

Changing Motherboard can drop price another $10 give or take,
Changing to a HD 7770 and hope AMD fixes drivers for GPU accellerated Apps saves another $10

swapping HDD to 750GB Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB ...
saves another $10

Dropping to a 20" 1600x900 monitor would save $15
so another $45 can be saved if needed dropping price $800 after rebates and promo codes

As for Photoshop or any kind of Digital artwork your going to want NVIDIA gpus

considering AMD Open GL and accelleration is utter crap right now in comparison to Nvidia with apps like Photoshop, Autodesk Maya, etc not functioning properly with AMD hardware right now using Open GL, at least with newer series GPUs, aka HD 7000 series

How does this perform compared with the one Barbaric suggested?

 

[JrRacinFan]

How does this perform compared with the one Barbaric suggested?

Faster in SLI/CrossfireX setups. In overall performance a touch faster, if the x4 unlocks to x6 then they are comparing apples & apples, trading blows.

 

[OneMoar]

So many options xd

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

could drop the price on my build further switching to a samsung Dvd burner drops the price another $3 bucks lol

so with the changes i mentioned the rig could get dropped down to $797 with monitor os etc all included lol, not half bad with a little digging.

 

[Cordero]

So many options xd

I know.
U g h.

 

[Cordero]

could drop the price on my build further switching to a samsung Dvd burner drops the price another $3 bucks lol

so with the changes i mentioned the rig could get dropped down to $797 with monitor os etc all included lol, not half bad with a little digging.

I was also thinking that there are probably a few members on here that have some of the part used or in stock and would be willing to let them go for a little off.

 

[Cordero]

Faster in SLI/CrossfireX setups. In overall performance a touch faster, if the x4 unlocks to x6 then they are comparing apples & apples, trading blows.

So you're saying if I unlock the other two cores then it's pretty much the same?
Isn't the video card from his build a tad better then yours, or the other way around?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Barbaric used the same GPU i did, so gpu performance is the same, but when it comes to gaming the Intel system will be faster do its much better IPC, if the AMD does unlock to a 6 core its faster in SOME multi threaded tests but the majority of your work the Intel Chip would still be faster,

memory performance is nearly double takes 1866mhz on say Bulldozer to get the same memory bandwidth intel has at 1066/1333 memory performance while not a big deal does impact some tasks, regardless both builds are about equal but if needed i can drop the price on mine further making it cheaper then the AMD 960T build

i picked a Z77 board switching to H67 or H61 i can drop the price further but Quality tends to be a bit more important. in my eyes at least. if the budgets is good enough quality means everything

 

[Cordero]

regardless both builds are about equal

so you're saying that in most cases, the intel build will outrun the other?
sigh.
i have so many choices to make :shadedshu

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

correct and if i swap out the PSU to a different CHoice it becomes even cheaper.

 

[JrRacinFan]

correct and if i swap out the PSU to a different CHoice it becomes even cheaper.

Could drop gpu down to 6790 to save a little. Haven't checked prices on them lately. Makes PSU choice a little easier as won't need as much wattage.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

DVD Drive: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+...
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Oper...
RAM: Pareema 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333...
HDD: Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005...
Monitor: Acer V203HLBJbd Black 20" 5ms Widescreen LED Moni...
CPU+ MOBO: Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...
PSU: RAIDMAX RX-500AF Continuous 500 watts ATX 12V v2.3...
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB...
Potential Case: HEC Blitz Black Steel Edition ATX Mid Tower Comput...

$835 - 30 via Mail in rebate and Promo codes = $805
no need Raidmax 500w continuous based on the Ultra X4 units its sturdy enough 80+ bronze and has 2 PCIE power plugs so its good to go, with intel having lower power consumption its a non issue.

Sadly JR AMD cards for graphics work are utter shit, trust me on this, Reayth and Mailman both ditched AMD for Nvidia for more then one reason, ive got a $630 7970 and i cant do any 3d modeling do to driver support being terrible on Open GL right now, for any kind of serious Digital Art and graphics design work Nvidia is the only choice right now.

there you have it

i5 2400
Z77 motherboard
8GB DDR3
GTX 560 SE 1GB
500w continuous PSU
1600x900 20" monitor
Decent Case with good cooling
Dual layer DVD burner
500GB HDD
Windows 7 64bit

for $805 after you deal with a few MIRs and a add a couple promo codes.

just for shits and giggles tho ill look for a differen mobo just to get things down a bit further.

Using the below CPU and Mobo drops price by $17 up front only $7 after MIR regardless its cheaper
Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Tur...
ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/...

saves a $17 up front but only $7 after Mail in Rebates still

Total Cost = $818 - $10 promo code $808 - $10 MIR = $798

So previous build with edits is $805 after all options are exhausted to save money best i can do without impacting CPU and GPU performance is $798

Total Cost with CPU + MOBO change above which doesnt impact performance gets the rig down under $800 with a new monitor etc

 

[Cordero]

correct and if i swap out the PSU to a different CHoice it becomes even cheaper.

could you without sacrificing power?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

you wont need 650w, i only selected the OCZ do to its insanely good price with Rebate,

the RAIDMAX unit while only rated for 500w will run the above system fine as is, its not specialy but the price is attractive and considering i know plenty of people running Ultra PSUs from Tiger Direct and the above Raidmax is just a rebranded Ultra there's no issues again total cost with my edits can bring total rig cost down under $800