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  1. TristanD27

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    Right, as you can see in my system specs I have an AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition, when I got it, it was a fairly good CPU and being on a budget, AMD was the only option. Now I want to upgrade, my 960T is still playing every game I have tried on max settings but I am going to start doing 3D work and buying more power intensive games like BF4.

    My motherboard is fairly new, not amazing but my old one blew and I needed a replacement fast, didn't have time to save for anything better, so considering there is nothing wrong with the motherboard and its fairly decent, am I better getting an AMD FX 8350 Black Edition or AMD FX 9370 Black Edition or get a Gigabyte Killer GA-Z87-G1.Sniper M5 and an Intel CPU i5-4670K.

    Now, unlike most people I have more sense then money so don't even mention the i7-4770K because the AMD FX 9370 is not miles behind and is £100 less, having said that, the i5 is £175, plus I would need the mobo which is £144 - the 9370 is £168 and is probably better the i5 meaning the only Intel worth upgrading to is the i7-4770K but at a price of £260 plus the £144 for the mobo, £404 does not seem worth it when I can just get an AMD FX 9370 for £168 and have money left over to upgrade my GTX 570 to a GTX 770 which is the only GTX worth upgrading to from a 570.

    I think I have pretty much answered my own question here, get the AMD FX 9370 and a GTX 770 but if anyway has any other suggestions then please let me know.
     
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    While Intel's are great for gaming, the 8350 still holds its own(it's just as good as a 3570K). If money is a factor, then I would advise you stick to your perfectly good 990fX motherboard and buy an 8350. The 9370 is just a binned OC'd 8350 anyways. You're better off financially getting an 8350 and OC'ing it, and getting yourself a shiny new GPU for games and 3D work. The upgrade to a 4670K is not enough of an upgrade for £300+. It wouldn't be value for money at all. A new GPU and 8350 would however be excellent value in comparison to cost.
     
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    well intel is way better option but its so much cheaper to upgrade just the processor and AMD is not expensive
    want better performance buy Intel 2011 socket
    want save money by AMD FX-9590

    Biggest minus FX-9590 is TDP=220W
    FX8350 TDP=120W
     
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    RCoon Gaming Moderator Staff Member

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    That's not saving money, buying an 8350 and OC'ing to 9590 figures is. Not to mention OP's cooler might not handle 9590 thermal output.
     
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    Thanks RCoon, it's pretty much what I have been thinking but it is nice to hear from someone more experienced then myself.

    I currently have an Arctic Cooling Freezer A30 - in the future when I finally get the much wanted pay rise ;) I WILL get full watercooling for my whole PC but for now, will that cooler handle an OC'd 8350? Or am I best leaving the OC'ing until I have better cooling. The A30 has done a great job on my current CPU so I would hope it would do the job for the 8350.
     
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    ye sry, I just ignored that mb, 9590 need TDP 220W supported mb
     
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    I enjoy my 8350, i had far more fun overclocking it than my 3570K when I had it on a full custom water loop. It should be fine to handle a good old OC around the 4.4 mark I imagine. When you push past 4.4 the voltage required spikes a little more than average. It handles games just fine, and drove two 7950's without any issues.
     
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    I have i7 4770k, great cpu.
     
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    If your 3D software know to work good with multicore cpu and/or CUDA, money wise it is to take fx8350+a gtx770...
     
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    With FX-8350 orginal cooler temp in Prime95 are about 52 celc
    Overclocking with NH-D14 cooler to 4,8Ghz and running Prime95 Tctl temp is 60celc, i guess thats something around 90celc with orginal cooler(just guessing)
    anyway, much better to oc then any Intel Haswell processor
     
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    have you tried unlocking your cpu?

    only if it is a working hex i am not sure how much of an upgrade that cpu would be anyway really.

    keep your eyes open dude and you would be able to snag a 2500k and mobo 2nd hand for less than the price of a 4770k new.

    it is where i would spend my money today if i was after a cheap upgrade.

    25k still kills for gaming and it lets you drop in a 3770k in a couple of years time for another cheap upgrade should you require it then.
     
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    He might want the warranty on the parts he buys though, and an 8350 is slightly better than a 2500K for his 3D programs, if they can use multicore, and performs identically in terms of gaming.
     
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    I don't like buying 2nd hand, for many reasons, one being that I just like buying new, I like being the first and only person to of used it, makes it truly mine, sounds odd I know but also you are less likely to get problems, you have warranty... I always buy new even if it means saving for a lot longer.

    I'd rather get a new 8350 which will fit the board I have then replace my decent, pretty new board with a 2nd hand one and a 2500k


    Oh and the 3D program I use is Blender, I have 3Ds Max too but as a beginner it was easier to learn on Blender and have just stuck with it for now, its nothing professional at the moment, just a hobby but the render times on my current system are not great.
     
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    Blender will use all 8 "cores" on the 8350, so you're safe there. Not much in Blender uses single core anyways anymore. Also there is an edit function in these forums, so you don't have to double post :)
     
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    the FX 8350 is really really good for 3D rendering the only cpus that are equal or better from intel are 4 cores with hyper threading. If you want an even cheaper option the FX 8320 can be OCed to FX8350 speeds with only a slight increase in power draw. So if I was you I'd get an FX 8320.
    BTW the 9590 is a much higher bin of the FX 8350 I've seen FX9590s do 5.3Ghz on all cores on high end air cooling. the FX 9370 is the same thing it will hit 5 to 5.3Ghz on high end air cooling which is something very very few FX8350s will do and no FX 8320 will do.
     
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    That's great to know, so it will be a massive performance improvement for my 3D modelling over my current quad core AMD :)
    I edited the second post into the first and removed the first, thanks.
     
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    not true, u just need right mb for oc, every mb cant do the same.
    example: Asus Crosshair V Formula and FX-8350
    [​IMG]
     
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    CB = cinebench r11.5
    The FX-8320 air frequency average is 4.6Ghz and the record is 5.4Ghz on 2 cores validation only, 5.1Ghz in CB, there are 4 CB submissions above 5Ghz out of 16 = 25% above 5Ghz
    The FX-8350 air frequency average is 4.7Ghz and the record is 5.3Ghz on 8 cores validation only, 5.2Ghz in CB, there are 4 CB submissions above 5Ghz out of 16 = 25% above 5Ghz
    The FX-9370 air frequency average is 5.2Ghz and the record is 5.6Ghz on 8 cores validation only, 5.1Ghz in CB, there are 2 CB submissions above 5Ghz out of 2 = 100% above 5Ghz
    The FX-9590 air frequency average is 5.1Ghz and the record is 5.8Ghz on 8 cores validation only, 5.3Ghz in CB, there are 2 CB submissions above 5Ghz out of 2 = 100% above 5Ghz
    So the FX 9xxx series always clocks better. I pulled all the numbers from HWbot's ranking charts so you can expect that most of the submissions were done on reasonably good MBs.
     
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    I pretty much agree with everything RCoon has said.
     
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    well yes, it is not ideal when you buy something 2nd hand and it fails 3 weeks later no.

    you still did not say if you had tried to unlock your cpu?

    the 960t is a hex in drag.
     
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    I'd do an 8320 if it were me. I don't think the extra clock of the 9370 makes it worthwhile because you will need a substantial cooling system and an expensive motherboard with lots of powerphases.
     
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    I had unlocked it on my old asus board but once that went on me I decided not to go back to asus and got a gigabyte which seems to need more to unlock it. The other thing is that until about 1/2 months ago I has stock cooling on my CPU and didn't want to risk unlocking and OC'ing on a stock cooler, not I have the A30 I might give it a go but I did have problems trying to unlock on my current gigabyte, on the old asus it was as simple as flicking that switch, press that button on boot and its done but I wasn't going to go back to a brand that went wrong for me just for ease of unlocking.

    Is going to be a major boost if I unlock and OC the Phenom II X4 960T? If so I will need to look into OCing a bit more as I have never done much of it and want to make sure I am doing it as safely as possible.
     
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    [ignore]It will depend on your pocket, <$50=Intel, ~$100-$300=AMD, >$900=Intel.[/ignore]
     
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    This is pretty much what I have in mind every time I start thinking about new builds and upgrades, I am always on a budget, one day when I have more money then sense, yeah I will go with an Intel but for now while money is a big concern, I will stick with AMD, people are always on about how you should get Intel because you get an extra 5FPS on this and that game, well I don't care, as long as I'm playing on maximum setting with an average of 60 I am happy, my monitor is only 50Hz and my TV is 60Hz so 1) I don't need more then 60FPS and 2) even if I had a display that could handle 10000Hz... I wouldn't need it, anything over 60 and you don't really notice a huge difference, nothing that makes me go "OH WOW!". The only other advantage for me is the 3D modelling and I'm not going to be rendering the next avatar any time soon am I? It's just a bit of fun for a hobby.

    In short, I'm not someone bragging about my 120FPS and this useless crap and that useless crap, too many people get hyped up about stuff they dont use on a day to day basis anyway, they do it just because they can and like to brag, so as long as I can play my current games at 60FPS on max settings, do my 3D modelling and future proof a little (not for like 2 years down the line or anything stupid) then I happy.

    And to back up my point, lets look at this:
    [​IMG]
    Here we see a 1FPS different between the 8350 and the 4770K... Bet your all glad you spend an extra £100 for 1FPS :) I know, I know, that's just one example of many but it still proves my point, people out there who are building PC's just for gaming and spending that extra £100 for better gaming and only getting an extra 1FPS (maybe slightly more on some games, possible not even better at all on others).
     
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    Let me blow that out of the water for you right now. I could get the same FPS on a crappy little AMD 750K on a stock FX cooler with a 780 on BF3 as I could on a 3570K OC'd to 4.5ghz on watercooling all on a 1440p monitor. Processors in terms of gaming mean bugger all unless you're playing RTS games like Civ V, SC 2, Total war, but in small exceptions like Crysis 3 the extra cores matter. For everything else, stop listening to people saying a $300 processor is required for high end gaming. It isn't, and I've had first hand experience with such things.
     
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