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  1. Sensi Karate

    Sensi Karate New Member

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    I posted around a month ago, before Bulldozer was released, about upgrading my PC. Posted in another section but thought I might make a post here and see what people think I should upgrade.

    I'll state my current specs:

    PSU - Corsair HX750.
    GPU - MSI Twin Frozr II 6870.
    CPU Cooling - Corsair H50.
    Case - HAF 922.
    A lot of fans. :)

    I think thats all the specs needed really.

    I am upgrading from a E4800 which has served be good since 2008. Also a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P board which has bugged out on me (cant overclock with it anymore due to BIOS issues and shit) but has done its job admirably.

    This gear has lasted me essentially 4 years. Currently I am feeling like my computer is starting to struggle with workload and gaming in general and would love to upgrade!

    Looking for a CPU, Mobo and RAM since I just recently upgraded all my other kit on my PC.

    I was told to wait for Bulldozer to get released, and I have and from what I read most people arent impressed by it. I want a system that can last me around 2-3 years without struggle. I think the Intel 2500K which is $200 AU atm seems like the best CPU for my needs. Unless someone can state otherwise if their is something better around, then please do so.

    Motherboard and RAM are what I am looking for. When I asked about a month ago, people recommended the Asus P8P67 series or Asrock Fatal1ty series mobos. If there is any better options out there please do post. I want a motherboard that can give me essentially all I need for gaming and futureproofing for the next few years since I dont like to upgrade my PC too frequently.

    Want some good quality RAM that can last me for 3 years or so.

    Budget is around $300-$600 AU which should cater for everything.

    What I am going to use my PC for:
    - Gaming (lots of it).
    - Streaming.
    - Video Editing.
    - Upgrading to double monitor in future (22 inch and 28 inch).
    - Future proof for 3 years or so.
    - Multitasking.

    So, CPU, Mobo and RAM. That is what I am looking for.

    Thats about it really. I am using http://umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=4, to buy all my stuff.

    Cheers guys!
     
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    For a mobo I'll vote for an ASRock, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a Fatal1ty model, the other non-Fatal1ty ASRock motherboards have just about the same specs with a lower price tag, it just depends if you really care about the color scheme.....like I do.
     
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    Don't think I want to spend the extra for the 2600k to be honest. And that board looks pretty darn decent for the price point.

    I do care about colour scheme somewhat, though it isn't a major factor. For an extra $100 is it worth it to get the Fatal1ty Extreme?

    Also what about the Asus Z68s?
     
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    They are nice, really tbh I don't know of nor see any differences between the Asus & Asrock boards when support & boards come into play with terms of overclocking. Only thing I can't comment on really is Ivy Bridge compatibility. I'm rather certain the Gen3 Asrock boards will provide future support.

    I'm also a form & functionality over cosmetics kinda guy.
     
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    Do you mean Fatal1ty Professional and not extreme?
     
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    My bad. Meant the Professional, not extreme.
     
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    Get the ASRock Extreme4 Gen3.
    Then go G.Skill for the RAM.
    CPU would be i7 2600K.
     
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    I'll agree with the mobo, ready with PCI-E 3.0.

    Plus, there's not much difference between a Fatal1ty and a normal ASRock board, the Fatal1ty comes with a mouse port and a different color scheme, that's basically it.
     
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    I am sticking with the i5 2500k. Will keep my overall spending down if I get the 2500k.

    Cheers. However when I asked the same question a few weeks ago most people told me to go the ASUS z68 series over ASRock. :l

    Asrock Fatal1ty Pro - $256
    ASRock Z68 Extreme4-Gen3 Z68 - $180
    ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 MB (suggested by JrRacingFan) - $137
    Asus P8Z68-M Pro - $143

    That is my motherboard list so far, but I think the Fatal1ty is out of the question. I think I want to save as much money as possible.

    And isn't MSI or Gigabyte worth a look?

    And what G.Skill is best bang for the buck?
     
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    Personally I'd opt for ASRock over ASUS, it was the other way round, but the ASUS boards I had always got a bit messy, same with a friend of mine, however the ASRock board I got 2 years ago is still going solid and has never given me 1 single problem, hence why I now opt for ASRock.
     
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    Looks fair.. I'd opt for the 2600k though for videoediting duties... I have never tried ASRock boards, but they seem to be mighty popular.. I dared to go Asus myself for the first time in 10 years (always had bad experience with them), and although I was lucky I build 2 very similar machines for friends, and 1 of the motherboards had a defect (boot issues, crashes etc).. So that's a 33% doa rate right there :).. I'm quite happy with the way it performs though.

    Besides that I'd proooobably stretch the budget to a Nvidia 560ti or even 580gtx, I have always felt Nvidia was better at supporting their products in the long run. But if you like ATI go for the chosen one..
     
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    There are two on the site, they are below the ASRock. (They are P and H boards those, so guess they are out of the question.)

    I have had quite a few ASUS items (not motherboards, but laptops etc) and haven't had any issues with them. I have never used an ASRock product before.

    Already have a MSI Twin Razr II 6870. Dont plan on switching. And I prefer ATI.


    So out of that list, what would be the best option, not including the fatal1ty.
     
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    Extreme 4
     
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    Yeah i see them now. Even though the GD80 is nice board, I wouldn't recommend it as there are much nicer boards listed for just as much or cheaper. You wouldn't want the other one, it's an H61, mainly used for HTPC's and not mainstream/enthusiast desktop towers.
     
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    Cheers for the advice.

    What is the difference between the ASRock Z68 Extreme4 and Extreme3?
     
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    From what I can gather, 2 more SATAIII's strapped to a seperate Marvell controller.
     
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    just going to list 2 other good stores in AUS
    http://pccasegear.com/
    http://www.msy.com.au/default.jsp
    also this can help find cheapest price on something with a list of stores and prices.
    www.staticice.com.au
    this ram should be good enough:
    http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=153&bid=4&sid=59834

    the diff between Asrock E3 and E4 doesn't seem to be that big. e4 has a usb3 bracket.
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=18137
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=18041
    they list all the details.. good for a comparison. personally i'd save the money and get the E3.
    and 2500k is deffinitely the better choice unless you feel like paying 50% more for less than 20% perf increase.
     
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    I have recently upgraded from an E8400 (which I had running at 3.85Ghz) to the following:

    i7 2600K
    8GB Corsair Vengeance Red 1866MHz
    MSI Z68A GD80 (G3)

    The games that i am playing at the moment (Deus Ex and Pro Evo Soccer) aren't really that demanding to notice a huge difference, but I have installed the Holy Grail of gamers benchmarks, Crysis, and I can tell that finally, with the overclock, I have a rig that can to all extents and purposes max this game out (NB*) and keep the frame rates at a constant 60 FPS regardless of what action is going on and/or what memory leaks the program is pissing my computers resources out.

    (NB*) FSAA = x2, Shaders = High, Shadows = High. All other Settings = Very High (DX10).

    In Crysis, it feels like the performance has doubled (or even more than doubled). Of course, the upgrade wasn't intended for maxing out Crysis, but more in anticipation of BF3, for which a quad core (hence i72600K/2500K cos lets face it, there aint no other logical choice at the moment) is a pre-requisite.

    For futureproofing, the mobo (MSI Z68A) is PCIe 3.0 ready, a feature which to utilise will need a PCIe 3.0 CPU (i.e. Ivy Bridge) and PCIe 3.0 devices. From the current crop of available Ivy Bridge ready, PCIe 3.0 motherboards available at the moment, I picked this one on the back of a collection of pretty positive reviews. Also for overclockers, this board has a raft of tweakable settings that i never even seen on any other mobo that I had. A great thing if you know what your doing, perhaps not so much if you are like me and get a bit confused about what everything is. Still I managed a stable 24/7 overclock @ 4.6Ghz without having to think too much, keeping the voltage under 1.35v, and I am sure this can be bettered in due course if I find that I am being CPU bottlenecked in any games. I paid over the odds for the 2600K instead of the 2500K, yet I have found that I have disabled hyper-threading in order to keep my temperatures down beneath 70C (at 100% load during 60 minutes stress test). Being primarily a gamer, I see no need for hyper threading (there are simply no games that make efficient use of it) if it means my CPU runs hotter.

    My Ram 8Gb running at 1866Mhz is probably overkill, as i believe 1600MHz is the overclockers sweetspot for the i72xxxK series, but the 'faster' RAM only costs ten quid more than the slower rated RAM, so what the hell. With regards to increasing my overclock in the future, I am sure that having the faster rated RAM will give me more options to play around with.

    You say that you do a lot of mutlitasking/video editing, and for this the 2600K would clearly be the better choice. However, if you have an eye on an Ivy Bridge upgrade in Spring 2012, which will plug straight into that Z68A mobo, then perhaps the 2500K being considerably cheaper (for the same gaming performance) is a much wiser choice.
     
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    For motherboard i would say gigabyte issd, extra 20 Gb SSD will very useful to you, you can check many reviews about it
    for cpu i would say 2600k
     
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    Mm. So not that much of a difference.

    I've used those websites before, but I find umart is either $10 more or $10 less compared to them and I can essentially pick it up my gear from umart the day after I order it (from there local shop) so that is why I use them. And yeah I am sold on the 2500k, should be fine for me imo. Also I looked at the colour scheme of the E3 and E4, and the E3 looks remarkably better. Cheers man, this information is going to help me out a lot.

    I was thinking of upgrading to the 2500k and if needed, getting a Ivy Bridge CPU if they are worth it. Thanks for the information, helps out greatly. :)

    I already have an SSD and dont feel like spending that much on a motherboard for that SSD.
     
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    So currently I am going for:

    ASRock Extreme 3.
    Intel 2500K.
    Dont know about RAM.

    Though I am still looking at the ASUS motherboard (Asus P8Z68-M PRO) and the ASRock Extreme4.

    More RAM help would be great. :)
     
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    How far could I overclock the Intel 2500k on a ASRock Extreme 4 or 3.

    Would there be any performance difference between the two boards. They are the main ones I am weighing up to buy. I am reading of issues with the Extreme 3 board, so maybe spending the extra $50 is worth it for the Extreme 4. Gah.
     
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    Asrock e4 is cool, and did you check last MSI Z68 mobo with gen. 3.0 pci-E, it's really impressive.
     
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