urge to move to the darkside.. rising..

[Tatty_Two]

yes but the e4300 will never goto 500fsb..and the multi hardley effects the 4300 as it is fsb limited and not frequency limited like the E6xxx line is...

I understand which is why I said up to 417 on a 9x multi ohhhh and stop sneekin up on me again!

 

[SilentAces]

I understand which is why I said up to 417 on a 9x multi ohhhh and stop sneekin up on me again!

yes but my point was that the p5b with 0711 bios will allow your 4300 to go well beyond 400fsb, where as no other mobo will...period..unless you go with biostars 965p and bsel mod the cpu...

anyother mobo will only let the 4300 go upto 400fsb stable (if that) and not beyond...



your it...

 

[Tatty_Two]

yes but my point was that the p5b with 0711 bios will allow your 4300 to go well beyond 400fsb, where as no other mobo will...period..unless you go with biostars 965p and bsel mod the cpu...

anyother mobo will only let the 4300 go upto 400fsb stable (if that) and not beyond...



your it...

Ok, I get the point but if realistically a 4300 is not going to top 3.6Gig on air whats the point, the cpu will limit and therefore just spend enuff money on a motherboard that will take it to the limit, why buy one that is limited! AND NOW YOUR IT!

 

[Eric_Cartman]

yes but the e4300 will never goto 500fsb..and the multi hardley effects the 4300 as it is fsb limited and not frequency limited like the E6xxx line is...

if you want that high of a fsb lower the multiplier on the e4300 once it hits its frequency cap

the e4300 will do a 500 fsb, it just won't do it at the 9 multiplier, i'd rather have the option of a higher multiplier, especially when it comes at a cheaper price

 

[SilentAces]

if you want that high of a fsb lower the multiplier on the e4300 once it hits its frequency cap

the e4300 will do a 500 fsb, it just won't do it at the 9 multiplier, i'd rather have the option of a higher multiplier, especially when it comes at a cheaper price

E4300 will do 500fsb...HOW???? From the bios? and who did it???? ScreenShots? Where are you getting your information on this cpu?

AGAIN the e4300 has no real frequency cap, its more like a FSB cap from the mobo..And no one has hit a 500fsb with it...475 is the highest i have seen and that was for show (phase cooling and 1.8vcore) others get 440fsb and use 1.525vcore...and they did this with bsel mod or 0711 bios, effectivly changing the fsb limit...

This is the second bit of info from you that is not accurate... please, you are confusing people and trying to take what i say and make it look wrong...its not...make sure what you are saying is correct before you post..i spend twice as much time making sure i am correct than i do writing a response...

Im not trying to be a dick Eric, nor am i trying to be a fanboi here...but if i see incorrect info, i have to correct it...however if you show me that i am wrong then i will take it like a man and remove my foot from my mouth to say sorry for doubting you..

Ok, I get the point but if realistically a 4300 is not going to top 3.6Gig on air whats the point, the cpu will limit and therefore just spend enuff money on a motherboard that will take it to the limit, why buy one that is limited! AND NOW YOUR IT!

good point...i sometimes forget that i am running water...sorry..

HOWEVER, it is the motherboard tho that limits the 4300, not the 4300 itself...it has more potential than 800fsb..but the strapping on most all motherboards prevents this..so we trick them with the older bios or bsel mod...

and as far as running on air with high fsb, recent test show it can and most likely will...on air with good temps and with the 8x multi..now with my set up and several others, we found that using the 8x multi allowed us to drop our vcore dramaticly...from 1.45 to 1.33 or even to stock...thus running much much cooler...and allowing the fsb to be raised yet again in bios....but again most every mobo will limit this to 350 - 400 fsb depending on the mobo...again this is why i am rubbing on the p5b right now..lol..those limits don't apply like other boards..

i should also say that many people are reporting that the hsf on the 4300 is a little concave, and needs to be lapped...some had temps of 50 TAT idle...but after the lapping they went to normal..so when you get yours make sure its real flat...

tag

 

[Eric_Cartman]

E4300 will do 500fsb...HOW???? From the bios? and who did it???? ScreenShots? Where are you getting your information on this cpu?

AGAIN the e4300 has no real frequency cap, its more like a FSB cap from the mobo..And no one has hit a 500fsb with it...475 is the highest i have seen and that was for show (phase cooling and 1.8vcore) others get 440fsb and use 1.525vcore...and they did this with bsel mod or 0711 bios, effectivly changing the fsb limit...

This is the second bit of info from you that is not accurate... please, you are confusing people and trying to take what i say and make it look wrong...its not...make sure what you are saying is correct before you post..i spend twice as much time making sure i am correct than i do writing a response...

Im not trying to be a dick Eric, nor am i trying to be a fanboi here...but if i see incorrect info, i have to correct it...however if you show me that i am wrong then i will take it like a man and remove my foot from my mouth to say sorry for doubting you..

i already told you how, lower the multiplier and it will do 500mhz fsb, the motherboard is what you have to worry about doing that fsb not the processor, the processor doesn't care what fsb it is running at as long as it is stable at the final clock frequency

most people leave the multiplier at 9 which is why the max out the at lower a lower fsb, but once you start to drop the multiplier you can get the fsb as high as you can with an e6400 or e6300

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=186330

there is one that did it without even lowering the multiplier, of course i know this person was using phase change cooling to do that, but dropping the multiplier to give a lower final clock means that a 500mhz fsb can be obtained using decent air cooling

so perhaps you should make sure you are actually one that isn't spreading inaccurate information before you start your one man fight against inaccurate information

 

[SilentAces]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=186330
so perhaps you should make sure you are actually one that isn't spreading inaccurate information before you start your one man fight against inaccurate information

come on now, no flaming..and i am american not french so i didn't look at that site....and if you read what i said you would know i am not picking fights..

Im not trying to be a dick Eric, if you show me that i am wrong then i will take it like a man and remove my foot from my mouth to say sorry for doubting you..

Sorry for doubting the 500fsb..tho was done just a few days ago......but that isn't what you were saying..you say just lower your multi to raise your fsb...not true..

my point is only validated by your information...this 500fsb+ was done using an older bios or bsel mod...It was not done by running a lower multi and higher fsb as you say is possible....the board is what allowed him to hit 500fsb.not his multi...and i still have yet to see a lower multi get a higher fsb....i know a ton of users that have tried and failed in getting a higher fsb running a lower multi....at least on the 4300...still i would love to see ss of that if you can find them...

also how he has his system running like that, thats for show only, not day to day use...

 

[Eric_Cartman]

come on now, no flaming..and i am american not french so i didn't look at that site....and if you read what i said you would know i am not picking fights..

oh, so you are the one saying i am wrong and i am spreading inaccurate information, but then when i prove you wrong and say the same thing to you i am suddenly flaming you? get real

and i live in america, that is didn't stop me from knowing that 500mhz is possible with a e4300

Sorry for doubting the 500fsb..tho was done just a few days ago......but that isn't what you were saying..you say just lower your multi to raise your fsb...not true..

my point is only validated by your information...this 500fsb+ was done using an older bios or bsel mod...It was not done by running a lower multi and higher fsb as you say is possible....the board is what allowed him to hit 500fsb.not his multi...and i still have yet to see a lower multi get a higher fsb....i know a ton of users that have tried and failed in getting a higher fsb running a lower multi....at least on the 4300...still i would love to see ss of that if you can find them...

no, i already showed you a 500 fsb on a e4300, and have not only done a 500 fsb on several e4300s myself but know several others that run them like that 24/7. you asked me to prove that 500 fsb was possible, i did lowering the multiplier to 7 would give a final speed of 3.6ghz which can easily be cooled with air

any overclock with any knowledge will tell you that the higher the multiplier on a processor the lower the max fsb will be because the processor will hit its max speed sooner

 

[SilentAces]

oh, so you are the one saying i am wrong and i am spreading inaccurate information, but then when i prove you wrong and say the same thing to you i am suddenly flaming you? get real

nice i say sorry and you still are an ass...whatever man...your info on the P5B was still wrong...defend that then...

no, i already showed you a 500 fsb on a e4300, and have not only done a 500 fsb on several e4300s myself but know several others that run them like that 24/7. you asked me to prove that 500 fsb was possible, i did lowering the multiplier to 7 would give a final speed of 3.6ghz which can easily be cooled with air

any overclock with any knowledge will tell you that the higher the multiplier on a processor the lower the max fsb will be because the processor will hit its max speed sooner

the fact that you say NO to providing proof to your lower multi higher fsb only tells me your full of it...sorry...but if you can't show me then it means nothing....and if you say you have several 4300 over 500fsb then why did you post someone elses cpuz?????? I would have proudly posted my results if i had over 500fsb on it...

Prove me wrong...i love it when i am proved wrong...i dont know everything..and if i am wrong i want to be corrected so i can pass on right information...still say NO do you?

 

[Eric_Cartman]

nice i say sorry and you still are an ass...whatever man...your info on the P5B was still wrong...defend that then...

actually I would much rather you provide some form of proof to back up your original statement that the p5b can do 400mhz fsb before since you were the one originally saying it, back your stuff up

and i didn't see an "i'm sorry" anywhere in that sentence, i just saw you saying i am flaming you when all i did was do exactly the same thing you did to me, accuse you of posting inaccurate information, except i actually was able to back my information up

the fact that you say NO to providing proof to your lower multi higher fsb only tells me your full of it...sorry...but if you can't show me then it means nothing....and if you say you have several 4300 over 500fsb then why did you post someone elses cpuz?????? I would have proudly posted my results if i had over 500fsb on it...

Prove me wrong...i love it when i am proved wrong...i dont know everything..and if i am wrong i want to be corrected so i can pass on right information...still say NO do you?

i didn't say no to providing proof, i said you no to the other crap you said.

you haven't backed up a word you have said, i have shown you that the e4300 can in fact do 500mhz fsb, that completely invalidates everything else you have said because you base your entire argument on the "fact" that the e4300 can't do a 500mhz fsb, it can

i posted someone elses cpu-z because i don't have an e4300 sitting in front of me(look at my system specs), but i build custom gaming machines for people, it is part of how i make a living, and part of that service is overclocking them for the people

i have shipped several e4300 machines out the door sitting at 500+ fsb, 515*7 giving 3.6GHz seems to be a very great place for air cooling, but i am not about to call up customers and ask them for cpu-z validations, i'm not that desperate to prove you wrong, i already have done that just by showing that an e4300 can do 500 fsb

now it is time for you to start backing up your crap, prove to me that lowering the multiplier on a processor won't help you get a higher fsb, because i know a lot of overclockers here and elsewhere will tell you differently, but just go ahead and try and prove that one

while you are at it prove that a p5b will do 400 fsb, because i have never seen one that high, the p5b deluxe maybe, but not the standard p5b

edit: if you would have paid attention in the thread, you would have already noticed that tatty_one already posted an anandtech article using an e6600 and a p5n-e in which they were only able to reach a 417 fsb with the multiplier at 9, but when they lowered it to 7 they were able to reach 500 pretty easily http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2894&p=3

 

[SilentAces]

1. and i didn't see an "i'm sorry" anywhere in that sentence....

2. now it is time for you to start backing up your crap, prove to me that lowering the multiplier on a processor won't help you get a higher fsb

3. while you are at it prove that a p5b will do 400 fsb, because i have never seen one that high, the p5b deluxe maybe, but not the standard p5b

4. i didn't say no to providing proof,

in response

1. learn to read...

Sorry for doubting the 500fsb....

2. i am not the one who said it could do 500 with a 7x multi.....so i am not the one who should prove it..

3. Again learn to read...

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=159367

4.

no, i already showed you a 500 fsb on a e4300,

yes you did right there...lol...you making yourself look bad..

if you can't read then maybe you should not be posting here...Now if you want to provide good information then do it..so far the only thing you have shown is someone else's "RARE" results and that you have an active imagination.....good job..



TATTY your still it man..

 

[bigboi86]

Sticking with your current setup

Cons:

*AMD Processors are still overpriced for the performance level you get, especially if you are an overclocker.

How is that true if you get almost the same kind of performance for half the price. I can get a 35dollar sempron and have a decent CPU. How is that not bang for buck? What about the dual core brisbane for 65 dollars?

I call that bang for buck.

 

[Thermopylae_480]

Perhaps this conversation should end now, and we could get back on topic? That would be the course of action I would recommend.

 

[SilentAces]

Perhaps this conversation should end now, and we could get back on topic? That would be the course of action I would recommend.

agreed...

sorry to be like that...felt i had to defend myself..


Back to normal mode...lol

TATTY have you ordered your system yet, and if so what all did you order?

 

[Eric_Cartman]

Perhaps this conversation should end now, and we could get back on topic? That would be the course of action I would recommend.

Sorry, didn't see this post before I submitted mine. I'll delete it.

 

[Tatty_Two]

agreed...

sorry to be like that...felt i had to defend myself..


Back to normal mode...lol

TATTY have you ordered your system yet, and if so what all did you order?

Phew, just read the posts above! Interesting stuff about dropping the multi....raising the FSB and you need less volts.

Yes I have orderd kit, it will arrive Thursday it cost me less than I have sold my current rig so am £60 in profit, I have ordered:

1. E4300
2. Asus P5N-E SLi (going 8600GTS in SLi in June (birthday!))
3. 2GB Crucial Ballistics DDR2 667 Cas3 RAM (got the best Micron IC's money can buy), good to 1000Mhz at 4-4-4-12 or 1082 at 5-4-5-15, will do 800Mhz at 4-3-3-10.
4. Skthye Infinity (going to mod it with extra 120mm fan).

 

[newtekie1]

How is that true if you get almost the same kind of performance for half the price. I can get a 35dollar sempron and have a decent CPU. How is that not bang for buck? What about the dual core brisbane for 65 dollars?

I call that bang for buck.

I wouldn't consider the Sempron 3000+ a decent processor by any means. The x2 3600+ is a little better, but at this point it is just replacing the Pentium D 805. It overclocks great, has good performance for the price you pay, but it is still a $65 processor.

I guess I should have quantified my statement with "in the price range he is looking at" but I figured that was understood.

 

[SilentAces]

3. 2GB Crucial Ballistics DDR2 667 Cas3 RAM (got the best Micron IC's money can buy), good to 1000Mhz at 4-4-4-12 or 1082 at 5-4-5-15, will do 800Mhz at 4-3-3-10.

wow those are some nice oc speeds for that ram...if stable that will be right nice...i went with ocz plat..I wished i had done more research into memory..its ok ram but doesn't overclock very well for me.....

im gitty for your system, and the future 8600's in sli will be sweet on that cpu....shouldn't bottleneck anyway...


looking foward to your build this week.

 

[Eric_Cartman]

Phew, just read the posts above! Interesting stuff about dropping the multi....raising the FSB and you need less volts.

Yes I have orderd kit, it will arrive Thursday it cost me less than I have sold my current rig so am £60 in profit, I have ordered:

1. E4300
2. Asus P5N-E SLi (going 8600GTS in SLi in June (birthday!))
3. 2GB Crucial Ballistics DDR2 667 Cas3 RAM (got the best Micron IC's money can buy), good to 1000Mhz at 4-4-4-12 or 1082 at 5-4-5-15, will do 800Mhz at 4-3-3-10.
4. Skthye Infinity (going to mod it with extra 120mm fan).

Sweet, let us know how it turns out.

 

[Tatty_Two]

wow those are some nice oc speeds for that ram...if stable that will be right nice...i went with ocz plat..I wished i had done more research into memory..its ok ram but doesn't overclock very well for me.....

im gitty for your system, and the future 8600's in sli will be sweet on that cpu....shouldn't bottleneck anyway...


looking foward to your build this week.

Thanks, I just hope that I dont get a "dog" of an e4300 and I can master the mobo quick and at least get 3.2Gig, I will be very happy with anything more, the crucial memory has the D9GMH IC's as listed here in a DDR2 RAM IC list by manufacturer:

http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/

And here is a review, I cannot find the one that went all the way to almost 1100Mhz but this will give you an idea of what they can do........I just hope the 4300 can match them in performance:

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=reviews&id=466&page=4

 

[SilentAces]

And here is a review, I cannot find the one that went all the way to almost 1100Mhz but this will give you an idea of what they can do........I just hope the 4300 can match them in performance:

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=reviews&id=466&page=4

wow....wow...lol...that is some ram...research is the key to buying great product...

as far as it goes, with your set up i would be very very surprised if you don't hit at least 3.2ghz with that cpu...the only ones i have seen not hit above 2.7ghz were on cheap VIA chipsets... they have no pcie lock, vcore adjustments are a joke, and only allow for a max of 300fsb..

 

[Tatty_Two]

Thanks, i will let you know Saturday how I am getting on, thanks for your help so far, might be comin back for more, I'm off to sleep now......ohhh and your IT by the way

 

[Joshmcmillan]

Man has this thread been going for a long time. I read someone said that No AMD is beating any Core 2 Duo's....Hmmmmm......look at these benchmarks:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/core2duolaunch_07130680720/12593.png
Notice that the 5000+ is beating the E6300 when the 5000+ costs AUD$45 less. Notice that graph doesn't even have the 5200+, 5600+ and the 6000+?? Go look at some beckmarks that do and you will see that most of them are better then there more expansive core 2 duo equivelent.

 

[SilentAces]

Man has this thread been going for a long time. I read someone said that No AMD is beating any Core 2 Duo's....Hmmmmm......look at these benchmarks:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/core2duolaunch_07130680720/12593.png
Notice that the 5000+ is beating the E6300 when the 5000+ costs AUD$45 less. Notice that graph doesn't even have the 5200+, 5600+ and the 6000+?? Go look at some beckmarks that do and you will see that most of them are better then there more expansive core 2 duo equivelent.

Finally...someone shows some charts..ty...

in no way was i trying to sound cocky when i asked what amd beats the c2d..and i haven't seen an amd touch them yet...this was just the truth...

your chart shows that some do (under stock clocks) outperform the C2D...to bad there is not a way to accurately bench oc'ed cpu's together...not all oc the same..

now if you compare the stock clocks to each other, you see that Intel (using lower clocks) manages to stay close to amd and their higher clocked cpu's..

i am still wanting to see some x2 6000 brisbane info tho...the windsor i can find, but the 65nm bris. i cannot find anything but what maybe.....if anyone finds something i am interested in seeing... the other 65nm chips look nice and cheap for the performance...but ultimately haven't touched the C2D when oc'ed....

imo amd is has and is releasing better cpu's for those who don't oc....intel has better cpu's for those who want to oc...

 

[pt]

i am still wanting to see some x2 6000 brisbane info tho...the windsor i can find, but the 65nm bris. i cannot find anything but what maybe.....if anyone finds something i am interested in seeing... the other 65nm chips look nice and cheap for the performance...but ultimately haven't touched the C2D when oc'ed....

imo amd is has and is releasing better cpu's for those who don't oc....intel has better cpu's for those who want to oc...

i've posted before
it's a x2 series cpu clocked at 3ghz using 90nm fabrication process