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OOOHHH get 98 away from me!!!!
 

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I honestly dont see why they should support legacy hardware/software in the first place. Its like supporting and making record players/records in this day and age.
 
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fixed!......
 

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I cant believe Microsoft and the hardware manufactures dirty underhanded tactics...they just change shit for no reason i mean look at the wallpaper in vista...fags i had to "hack" my install just to get it to work with the wallpaper i was accustomed to and whats with the nforce 4 not supporting 98 hey if i want to run 3.11 on my new hardware why should the chipset not support it....CONSPIRACY....damn the man...look what i had to do just so i was comfortable with my vista install

lol , u r in love man .
 

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Lol yeah cus xps standard only crazy ppl like me use Vista hehe
 
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I said I would do it, and I have:
Vista runs happily on this:
Specs: Dell Inspiron 4000
CPU: Pentium 3 M @ 850 MHz
RAM: 512 MB SDRAM @ 100 MHz
Graphics: ATI Radeon M3 w/ 8 MB RAM
Hard Drive: 9.3 GB
Screen: 1400 x 1050

Using vLite, I managed to cut down Vista so that the installation files are 990 MB, and installed it off of 2 CDs. It runs about as fast as XP, but uses about 300 MB or RAM, and I've given it 512 MB of Readyboost. The installation takes up 3.8 GB, which means I have 5.5 GB of free space to play around with.
Here's some screenshots:

My Windows User Experiance Rating! One! :D


Hows that for old hardware compatibility?
 
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well I have both xp pro and vista home premium installed in this computer, which is a up-to-date build and no slouch performance wise.

Noway is vista as fast as XP from my experience.
 
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Well, It runs as fast as an XP fresh install, mainly because I cut off quite a lot of crap, such as the language support (1 gig!!) and Superfetch.
It runs faster for unfathomable reasons. It has the instant search feature switched on, which still runs much faster than the indexer for XP, and It has Sidebar open. It actually runs as fast as or faster than XP in almost all areas except for booting up, where it takes about 50% longer.
 
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That is awesomelly impressive error and proof that vista can run on ancient machines.Vlite is something often overlooked when ppl complain about it being bloated.
 
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Yeah, and the funny thing is that it helps prove that Vista has better architecture: running on the same machine, with most of the stuff that is central to Vista enabled, it runs faster than XP. Sure, it uses more RAM, but thats the point of HAVING lots of RAM!
(Lol, I got it upgraded for my birthday. :D)
Seriously, I now consider my laptop upgraded. If only it had a bigger hard drive...
 

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Yeah, and the funny thing is that it helps prove that Vista has better architecture: running on the same machine, with most of the stuff that is central to Vista enabled, it runs faster than XP. Sure, it uses more RAM, but thats the point of HAVING lots of RAM!
(Lol, I got it upgraded for my birthday. :D)
Seriously, I now consider my laptop upgraded. If only it had a bigger hard drive...

i just bought 2x60GB laptop hard drives for $75 in a fore sale thread here on TPU to upgrade my laptop :p a 40GB 2.5" drive over USB 1.1 got faster response times than the 15GB it has internally... made me realise a new drive just might make it faster.
 

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I happend to browse on Techpowerup.com, and i saw this thread slipping by. I have to tell you i've tried the beta version of vista, i know, a beta is not the final product, but it gives a nice impression on Vista itself.

After the First public version was released, i gave it a go. All my hardware was'nt incompatible so that would kill the issue with outdated hardware. The real problem is within the way vista works. UAC, the Permission denied on your own files thing :confused: , the way some games don't work since the strange implementation of OpenGL (and i use a Ati card), the generally lower-fps in games, or 3dmark ofcourse, the stuck 345 days remaining on a simple folder of 3GB while trying to move / copy.

Other sidenote is that Vista uses your memory on a well matter. It caches alot and it makes your programs startup faster (hence they are cached in the system memory). XP instead only caches what it needs and keeps the rest of your memory reserved for applications. This part is indeed improved. Also the Disk caching looks improved, but this could be done on XP too by changing the default '512KB' towards '4096KB' which works like a charm on every system.

Outlook express is replaced by Windows Mail. Nice and all, but if your EVER trying to go back towards Outlook express, there's nearly no support except for 3rd party to use your imported mail from Windows mail back towards Outlook express. This is a real shame. They should have made it somehow backwards compatible.

I see some postings about how MS did not 'force' Vista into the crows, well wake your eyes up, OEM systems are these days with Vista only. There are hardly new systems with XP only, and the actuall selling of XP ends somehow soon.

If anyone used a Nforce 3 motherboard with an Ati Graphics card, they proberly figured out the issue with Nvidia about quitting their support on these combinations. I had alot of customers who angry returned their stuff for not getting any support based upon these combo. Vista does not work on these platforms.

Another nice example, of how MS really did 'force' to get gamers in the first place Vista, was Halo 2, which seemed impossible to play on any other OS then vista right? A few weeks later, some releasegroup showed how it wether was possible to even run this game on XP, and proved a point with MS still shoving vista upons alot of people their butts.


Btw... Another example is the implementation of Windows live messenger, how impossible its being made to even use an older version of MSN/Live messenger, and basicly forcing people with a slower computer to upgrade, in order to keep their computer running fine with Live messenger. Heck, i cannot even startup Windows messenger ( the classic one ) without getting a notice that i HAVE TO DOWNLOAD the new version in order to continue. And look, the latest live messenger with a shitload of ADS, TOOLBARS, FAMILY-SAFETY and what more! They control it, they decide how it goes, and sometimes i dont have a choice either to just click 'ok' and sigh the whole night about it.

DX10 was never really hacked/cracked or whatsoever to run on XP. This was a clear choice back on the release of Vista, to make it Vista only. Cause for what reason would vista be better if DX10 was also on XP?

it's technically possible to have DX10 on XP, but it requires adjustment of basicly half windows XP, and thats something MS is not going todo. Too much risk, and even John carmack said it , that DX10 is possible on XP. The choice is at MS , and they are not going todo it.

I might switch onto vista one of these days. Is there any reason why i should not to after i posted a few reasons for this?
 

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After the First public version was released, i gave it a go. All my hardware was'nt incompatible so that would kill the issue with outdated hardware. The real problem is within the way vista works. UAC, the Permission denied on your own files thing :confused: , the way some games don't work since the strange implementation of OpenGL (and i use a Ati card), the generally lower-fps in games, or 3dmark ofcourse, the stuck 345 days remaining on a simple folder of 3GB while trying to move / copy.
UAC is very very easy to turn off. takes 30 seconds. openGL has worked well since the betas - that was driver issues, and not vistas problem.

lism said:
Other sidenote is that Vista uses your memory on a well matter. It caches alot and it makes your programs startup faster (hence they are cached in the system memory). XP instead only caches what it needs and keeps the rest of your memory reserved for applications. This part is indeed improved. Also the Disk caching looks improved, but this could be done on XP too by changing the default '512KB' towards '4096KB' which works like a charm on every system.
memory usage is good. makes sense to use it that way.
lism said:
Outlook express is replaced by Windows Mail. Nice and all, but if your EVER trying to go back towards Outlook express, there's nearly no support except for 3rd party to use your imported mail from Windows mail back towards Outlook express. This is a real shame. They should have made it somehow backwards compatible.
outlook epxress is known as a horrible virus attracting magnet. thank god for security.

lism said:
I see some postings about how MS did not 'force' Vista into the crows, well wake your eyes up, OEM systems are these days with Vista only. There are hardly new systems with XP only, and the actuall selling of XP ends somehow soon.
MS isnt forcing it anymore than they forced XP on us when the crowds still bitched about how 98 was better,
lism said:
If anyone used a Nforce 3 motherboard with an Ati Graphics card, they proberly figured out the issue with Nvidia about quitting their support on these combinations. I had alot of customers who angry returned their stuff for not getting any support based upon these combo. Vista does not work on these platforms.
Vista can be made to work, Nvidia refuse to offer drivers. Yes this is a problem, but its Nvidias fault.
lism said:
Another nice example, of how MS really did 'force' to get gamers in the first place Vista, was Halo 2, which seemed impossible to play on any other OS then vista right? A few weeks later, some releasegroup showed how it wether was possible to even run this game on XP, and proved a point with MS still shoving vista upons alot of people their butts.
Thats MS making people go vista, yes. Its because they're trying to make vista and Xbox related, with the live! accounts.
lism said:
DX10 was never really hacked/cracked or whatsoever to run on XP. This was a clear choice back on the release of Vista, to make it Vista only. Cause for what reason would vista be better if DX10 was also on XP?
Why isnt 9.0c available for dos/95/98 (first edition)? Because they dont bloody well have to.
lism said:
it's technically possible to have DX10 on XP, but it requires adjustment of basicly half windows XP, and thats something MS is not going todo. Too much risk, and even John carmack said it , that DX10 is possible on XP. The choice is at MS , and they are not going todo it.
yes. a lot of work which would make it XP second edition. It would not be the same OS afterwards, and have the same driver issues as vista had in its early days.
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I might switch onto vista one of these days. Is there any reason why i should not to after i posted a few reasons for this?
works fine. SP1 fixed that 'xx days remaining' bug, and i've had no issues since.
 
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With MSN, it is quite easy to disable most of the popups. You just need to take some time and go look for the options to disable them. Is there a way to get rid of the adds at the bottom of the MSN main program, though? That'd be cool, as it would make the box smaller and reduce my download slightly.
Bad news with my vista+laptop project: I can't find compatible drivers for my sound card. :(
No sound for me...
 

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Try www.apatch.tk btw. That'll solve all your problems ;)

The reason why MS is forcing everyone to goto the live platform is not cause of the nice services we all use but the matter of advertising potential, and the amount of $ that is included with this. MS holds a HUGE network over the whole world. They can almost do anything at all to make you see the latest ads. Someone explain to me why MSN Messenger requires 30MB of memory and Windows Live messenger needs 120MB of memory, while barely having any real improvements?

I'm having my doubts again on Vista and some say it might be the step between like it was back with 98 , ME & XP.
 
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Cool, I'll try the patch tonight.
Vista us currently in its childhood. It is what XP was before SP2; new to the world, still with lots of bugs, and getting better all the time.
Hopefully SP2 for Vista will do what SP2 did for XP: make it better!
Does anyone know how much space SP1 takes up after installation? I'm tempted to install it onto my laptop, just to see if it runs faster, but I only have limited hard drive space.
 

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With MSN, it is quite easy to disable most of the popups. You just need to take some time and go look for the options to disable them. Is there a way to get rid of the adds at the bottom of the MSN main program, though? That'd be cool, as it would make the box smaller and reduce my download slightly.
Bad news with my vista+laptop project: I can't find compatible drivers for my sound card. :(
No sound for me...

messpatch can do that.

http://www.mess.be/
 

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A 'Service pack' is nerely nothing more then a Pack full with updates. Some contain tweaks and some don't. It saves MS from users downloading update after update from their services, and in a later stadium, implement the new SP into the new CD's/DVD's.

Some people actually 3Dmark their config after a SP installation lol. No really gains.
 

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As sucky as this sounds it would probably be great if nothing was compatible. I think everything needs to start fresh, microsoft has too much legacy now.

if they would dump the windows 9x and nt4 and older code support and just make it an addon or run it thru a virtual machien like apple did with osx(you could run 9/8/7 apps on a virtual machine installed with older macos) that would clean out a huge portion of USELESS BUGGY code.

if you need dos apps, dosbox, or virtual machient, need 9x apps, virtual machien, need them hardware accelerated, use an old system thats built for their era......so they run as intended on the os intended........i have setup countless "old game boxes" for people who want to play old games properly, pretty cheap to do really.......
 
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Well, I've found out something useful today: Readyboost is actually quite useful!
When I booted my laptop without my USB configured for RB, it actually ran a fair bit slower. Maybe this is because It only has 512 MB of RAM, and the RAM is slow (SDRAM 100).
So, Now I need to find a PCMCIA to Flash Card reader and I can stick in 1 gig of RB without a USB poking out!:D

And about the legacy stuff: Yes, you could easily find an old box on the side of the road or on eBay for $50 that would run all your old games and programs. What kind of programs do people use that require NT 4 or 98 code? Seriously, this is the 21st century: Office 2003/7 is pwnage, MS Project 98 is not.
"But I want to play Dooooom!" say the retrotechs.
"Bad luck." Say Microsoft, as they implement their new policy of cutting legacy support.
":cry:" go the retrotechs, as they wander off in search of a Pentium II.
We should petition MS to remove their Legacy support, or at least get them to run it virtually!
 
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MS are running it virtually in windows 7. i recall reading about that. From what i can gather, they're waiting for more CPU's to support virtualisation (modern AMD's do, conroe do, kentsfield do, allendale dont, sempron dont etc)

What will most likely happen is that the OS will have its basic code in the background, and every app that opens is 'virtual' to an extent (not directly tied to the OS) - if it crashes the OS wont, and you can adjust priority of each 'virtual' app a lot easier. A game runs, loads up a virtual OS with ONLY whats needed (EG, no USB support, no bluetooth support, no hotplug for gamepads etc etc) making it leaner and meaner - and quitting the game, the OS wakes up from a sleep state.

Yeah its a rough idea as i dont truly understand it yet, but i hope it gets the basic idea i'm referring to across.
 
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