Discussion in 'Linux / BSD / Mac OS X' started by kateriyan, Jan 19, 2010.
What is the future in linux as compared to windows operating systems......??
that is a pretty big question you are asking.
Yeah.... care to narrow that down to a specific question please?
Linux will keep chugging along as the alternate OS of choice among hardcore technology enthusiasts and a certain sect of network administrators.
It will probably never see wide use as a desktop OS on home PCs. It's not likely to ever be a true gaming OS.
Linux will continue to become ever more windows like as it continues to penatrate the "mainstream" market.
as far as a desktop goes, i think mature OSes like ubuntu and fedora are making a really strong case for themselves. they are free and they support almost all hardware.
one thing that is keeping linux from reaching equiv market, App Support is still all windows based, you need directX emulation for your games, and drivers are still no where near as common as with windows machines. Also installation process for programs is still very complicated.
Wine Is Not an Emulator!
It's a wrapper, or whatever.
'Wine implements the Windows API entirely in user-space, rather than as a kernel module. Services normally provided by the kernel in Windows are provided by a daemon known as wineserver. Wineserver implements basic Windows functionality, as well as providing extra functions such as integration with the X Window System and translation of signals into native Windows exceptions.'
I used to run Linux exclusively, Debian before it became the next fairy OS to cater to the technically whiny.
Linux is and always will be the OS of choice, for hardcore dorks worldwide, and then those who think they are hacking just by using it, and then the famous can't get into X due to hardware or package dependency issues but I try and look and seem cool typing random commands untill I start crying and either break my PC or go buy windows people. And net servers.
Really anyone else using it is just stupid. Why use easy to find multitude of apps on windows when I can spend all day looking for one that works on the GD kernel/X setup and with my hardware.
I have a question about Linux....why is there a lack of open quality games? Ive seen some very impressive open software..yet i have not seen a single Linux game i would go out of my way to play why try to "wrap" in DX....why not take openGL and run with it? If linux could provide me with a couple good games to play i would gladly dump windows and never look back hell at this point i would take a couple 2d overhead rpg's over the crap floating around in the 'gaming" industry right now
When you say 'open quality games' do you mean free games? Why would there be a bunch of game developers that just give their game away?
Linux games retailer: http://www.tuxgames.com
General Linux games news & info site: http://www.linuxgames.com
Crossover (Wine for video games): http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/ (I don't see a problem with this--not all games work and the ones that do don't work 100%, but it usually gets the job done)
Difficult question that will give multiple answers. In my opinion Linux based distributions will remain a strong alternate choice to Windows and will keep on gaining market share in the desktop arena. It won't be as popular as Windows, not for several years (or probably ever), but it will keep gaining popularity. It won't go away that's for sure.
WINE is evil and does more harm than good. While it may seem like a "good" solution for program compatibility, the existence of WINE hurts the growth and adoption of Linux based operating systems. Not just games, but software in general, you want something that is either native to the platform or crossplatform.
You will never see high production games in open source form. This is not the same as saying that you will never see high quality open source games though. Many open source games out there are being developed by very talented individuals and many of these projects are impressive in technical terms. However, since these are mainly hobby projects, they will remain "small".
One of the first things people complain about when it comes to open source games is that they look like crap and what not. Good graphic artists are hard to come by, specially ones that are willing to work for nothing. So while you may have an expertly coded game, it will never look as impressive as any of those AAA titles we see from big dev. houses.
Another part of the Linux Gaming equation are commercial games. Yes, there is nothing preventing you from running a closed source, commercial game on your Linux box. Problem is nobody is interested. This opens up a whole can of worms that I best leave for another day.
Package managers handle that. Every major distro has a collection of repositories that they maintain and make available for their users. You just look for what you want and all dependencies are taken care of by the manager. Software availability is really not that big of a problem.
you dont live in my world.
also games do not need to be open source to run on open source OS.
look, technically it doesnt matter if you use windows, OSX, or a popular linux. ANYTHING you want to do can be done on ANY of them. they do each have strong and weak points. gaming goes to windows.
drivers are flat out the same, since vista and 7 are the main 2 now, its just a pain in the arse to find windows drivers for random hardware as linux drivers. i install both (linux and windows)on a daily basis, i work with both. OSX has the advantage here of being a closed platform.
software, if you WANT to go to a website and download something, run it and its installed, you pretty much can now on any platform. to me a self handling repository is EASIER then that. i hand over fist give software install to linux.
amount of software and options, like i said you can do anything on any of them, i would say windows and linux tie, while OSX doesnt have as much software, it does follow the one use one piece software guide so it isnt really 'behind'.
thouse of you picking on *nix for lack of 'blah blah" should say the same about OSX, AND im going to bet the majority of you have no personal experience, or ancient worthless experience.
NOTE: i HATE ubuntu.
The way I see it, Windows will continue to slowly loose market share to OsX and Linux. Microsoft's glory days are over. Gates is in pension and imo Balmer doesn't have what it takes. Innovation from Microsoft has nearly come to a crawl, they're just following the latest trends and copying everybody else.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're bad at wghat they're doing, I'm just saying that to be competative, you have to constantly bring new and original products out on the table. Windows is my main OS and I liked Vista and win 7, but they didn't bring anything revolutionary to the table as say win 95 or XP...
Not sure if you guys pay a lot of attention to what happens with KDE, and to some extent Gnome, but I dare say they're very competitive desktop environments. What they've accomplished with less than 1/100th of Microsoft's budget is close to amazing...
KDE is hawt, only reason i use linux at times
Ugh, I didn't like KDE at all. It was like 3 years ago I used it, but still. ^^
I felt closer to my computer when I used linux (xubuntu, gentoo and dsl). Don't really know why, but it felt more personal.
4.3 was just released in August 09. It is indeed "hawt" now.
ARE YOU KIDING?! dude everytime i log into linux and play ice tux im basically hacking the p3nT@g0n
My point is, Stream hardware accelerated video transcoding on a ATI graphics card? Win+Espresso.
Linux? Not so much.
Free variants of CPU based transcoding? Hundreds. With filters out othe wazoo, and only time untill one of them decides to get the Stream/CUDA version going.
Linux? no so much.
All the games, Dirt 2, GTA4, etc.... Windows and hardware.
Linux? Not so much.
So will Linux continue? Hell yes. Will it propogate as a platform? Hell yes. Will it take over Windows/OSX in the next 10 years? Hell no.
do you mean cpu based video/audio transcoding? if so then been done on linux for YEARS.
like i siad, you got me on games, but even that is more then it was a couple years ago.
Linux will never be as popular as windows until all distros adopt the same installer, and make it double-click or drag and drop simple, just like OS X and Windows. If anything you install requires going to the command line for any reason, the average user will not adopt it.
Most linux distros avoid proprietary tech, for no reason other than pride. We'll never see proper CUDA or Stream support if the devs don't pull their heads out of their asses. End users are not concerned with politics, they just want their shit to work.
Linux is still decades away from being a serious desktop competitor.
That's why computer ownership will never provide the freedom that other commodities such as cell phone or car ownership will. It's the software that's like a car--the computer(/OS) is the highway.
once again a first post by someone asking a question and then never contributing to the conversation. where do these people come from?
Linux on the desktop doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Why? I can't say for sure. I doubt it will ever see a significant percent of the desktop market. (5% tops)
As for games, games follow the most popular OS. There is nothing stopping Linux from being the gaming OS of choice except for the software support. Why is every game written for Windows? Because it has like 90% of the desktop market share. Arn't there a few games that have Mac versions now? Why has this happened? Well, Mac also has significant market share. Remember games are designed to make a profit. Targeting the largest % of the market only makes sense. When Linux gets 10-15% of the market, you'll start seeing commercial games for Linux. When it gets 50%, you'll start to see every game in a Windows and Linux version. As a whole, software developers seem to answer the largest demand. And relatively speaking, the demmand for Linux software, games in particular, is extremely small.
I don't know. If my uncle can happily use Linux anyone can. We may see it become more common as a cost saving option available for pre-built PCs.
Separate names with a comma.