Discussion in 'Comments & Feedback' started by W1zzard, Feb 21, 2007.
Very nice. I remember reading about that experiment in an undergrad psych class. Scary.
Dan, hadn't I viewed your above post I'd almost have been in the position to complain against you , but you really know your job well and I know it since I mod another (totally unrelated topic of) forum. Hence congrats. Apologies if any of the replies to my posts quoted here-under might indicate otherwise...
Well here's my little 'complaint' if it might be called so:
Sometimes people start a thread asking some advice, someone else replies unacceptably and against forum regulations, and instead of deleting the offending post the moderator decides to lock up the whole thread, which is unjust and detrimental to the OP.
Here's an example.
And here's another example where I was just concerned to download a couple of documentaries which were free-to-air in my country. If they were free-to-air there's nothing illegal whether I choose to watch them for free onTV or whether I choose to watch them using my pc I guess, no?
i have had some issues but i like to resolve them myself isnt that right dan?
I've given 15 infractions and 13 warnings (0 point infractions) since the beginning of the year. Most of the warnings were for people having signature pictures that were too large. Many apologies for the absolutely inexcusable number of 2.5 members that receive infractions from me per month and the 2.2 that receive warnings. I never realized how utterly abusive I was until now, that is almost 5 people per month! Maybe I should seek help.
Mr. Banjoman gives far far fewer.
making a post like this is straight up mocking the people of TPU :shadedshu
moderator of doom for a reason polaris.
Wow man, thats TO MUCH! ... I'm joking there... Mods really never give infractions.. and whenever they do there isn't a lot that gives points... Lets all just get along and live peaceful! Go to Thoughtdisorders thread if you want to go crazy!
I wrote a long paragraph describing how I feel right now. I won't post it though, it's unprofessional. I'll sum it up in a couple words. Tired and frustrated and just about ready to quit being a moderator. I'm sorry about snapping a few posts back.
after reading back through a lot of the pages in this thread - one thing has come to my attention that I do feel should be addressed.
It seems whenever a mod here has posted up what their "system" is for handling miscreants, it's different from the next mods "system"
so, one mod will handle an issue differently from the next one - and that, I think, is where a lot of users are claiming that they're being treated unfairly. userA gets a light slap on the wrist, while userB gets a 24hr band for the same offense (exaggerating here, y'all).
Perhaps, then, all mods should iron out and agree upon a set system of warnings/infractions for offenses, and stick to it, so that individual users are being treated equally for similar offenses instead of there being any "evidence" of favoritism one way or the other. I mean - one mod will come across as being more strict if they follow a more rigid warning/infraction system, as compared to someone who is more laid back.
I know our forums rules and guidelines are also pretty straightforward, but perhaps a more concise and specific set of rules and guidelines whould be enacted - or, revise the rules and make things more specific. This is meant more for mods than for users, but both could benefit - that way all mods view similar postings in the same way, instead of one mod having a problem with the post, and another mod doesn't (for all those grey area posts). Remove the grey area, and there's no room for argue . . .
. . . but, IMO, that second idea there would seriously detract from this board, and the community as a whole. The first idea, though, should be given some thought. Otherwise, I don't have much of a problem with how things are run at all - whatever goes down between users and mods is their business, and unless it's made public, it's none of my concern.
Thought you guys were smart here. Sarcism with a behind it is no more or no less sarcism. Good thing you have members on here might have been all night googling to figure out what I meant. ALLEN
dont quit man! i know it feels to be a moderator, and an admin, i've been in your shoes before polaris. its really difficult to please everyone while still trying to keep order! My suggestion to you man is to:
-dont quit... for starters
-release your emotions (writing the out was a good idea) clear your mind and find your inner peace
-just relax away from tpu, i suggest going out with the gf, etc. to really make up your day man.
-sometimes, one needs to look at himself as viewed by others, see what people think of you? what kind of a mod do people see in you? i'll tell you right now what i think of you, i think you are the best senior moderator, because you are fair and honest, and while you might be really tightening up now since you have more time, i think all of what you've done so far. i dont see you as a biased mod, etc. and i think you should stay the way you are, but dont start overmoderating, thats all.
-if you any problems, sort them out peacefully, honestly, and fairly with whoever you need to that with.
-once you've got everything sorted out, come back to moderatoring and show us what tpu mods are made up of!
Without going into the merits of the jobs concerned...
In my forum-y internet-y impression, Polaris appeared as a cute little teenage kid holding a mug of beer (or was that your bro?) while Mr Banjo appeared as a stolid viking-guy wielding a hefty iron-studded banj.. er.. ban-hammer
I think the time has come for me to quit paying much attention to the crazy picture thread!
*BP vanishes into thin air and prays that no mods have seen this post of hers so that she keeps her reputation of nil warnings and infractions to date*
Before 'poofing' out though I must say that this is one of the best forums I've ever been on, if not the best. It's the one which is conducted in a manner most just and righteous.
People, don't blame the mods for any whim, I joke around, true, but after all we're all human we all try our best and neither of us are infallible. We can't expect perfection from anyone, not from any member, not from any mod.
Hi I've been following this thread for quite a while since before I registered I think that dan does a good job of moderating in fact they all do and without them this would be worse than 4chan, Also when people argue against a mod they are infact making it worse from themselves they should just stay silent and they can't get an infraction for that.
so we should all remain silent and let them have their way? are we going back to communism?
no i don't want to make this a political discussion just trying to make a point
Their way with what exactly? Giving a few warning here and there to remind people not to post some remarks, and then IF they carry on... THEN issuing an infraction. As far as i'm concerned that's VERY fair.
I suppose not but bitching about doesn't really help IMO, I think silent wasn't the best way to put it but arguing back in a sensible, non threatning manor like pm'ing them asking what it was that they did. E.g Therm gives me an infraction for not obeying forum rules and I send him a PM asking what I did if I don't understand why I got it and if I don't agree with what he says ask other mods on their opinion.
Don't you dare quit! It's a hand full of people here who aren't happy, and apologies to anyone that takes offense but, W1zz and the mods run this sight, not the members. To the handfull of people, if you're not happy here, please go elsewhere. This has drawn on to the point of ridiculousness over the last few days, seriously. Just as Polaris wouldn't post his feelings because it would be unprofessional, please don't post your unprofessional comments publicly.
I created a thread in GN in hopes of "lightening" the mood that has been ever present lately. GN is where we need to go to gripe and complain, jab each other a bit in a friendly manner, and most importantly have fun.
This thread right here is for "constructive" criticism, not whining and disrupting a site that is way better than most others. It is not for negatively criticizing and badgering moderators for moderating and doing their jobs to the point they think of quiting. There's a reason why we came to this site, all of us, and they are a part of that reason through their hard work.
I'm sorry, but if you're so unhappy here, please go elsewhere.
(And Polaris, don't you dare quit!)
Does everyone realize that all of the mods are just members who thought it would be a good idea to give back to the community? None of us gain anything by being moderators accept knowing that we are contributing to make TPU a better place to talk tech. I think there is a paranoia that some of us "get off" on power. What power do we truly hold? How does this "power" actually benefit us in any way? Maybe before members get all up in arms about the injustice here at tpu...you may want to ask yourself those questions.
Don't quit, As far as I know you do a very good job. Most of the Mods here are great. I don't want to say the wrong thing here so this will be my last post on this thread. 99.9 percent of what goes on, on this forum is unreal and fantastic. If I gave you any other idea then that was my mistake. All I ask is to be treated with respect and fairness and the gesture will be returned. 99.9 percent of the time I am. I'm here to apologize for starting this mess I should have just let it go and not responded that was my mistake. Heck because of Wizzard, Ket, Tatty_0ne, Paul ,Nate ,Zek , PT, Erocker,Cdawall, WilE and hundreds of others on this forum I actually developed enough skills to start a new Job in the computer field. I for one love this forum.
To be honest I don't see the mods as imposing their power on us. Anyway take computing.net for example I couldn't stand some people there for example jam who was heavy handed in his responses being rather blunt with people hence why I left.
yes i do
so you thank me for a post which shed's some light as to the possibilities of why and then you go and post this totaly contradictive post? i don't get it.
and if your'e wondering i beleive the correct term is e-peen
I agree mostly paulieg. But some do it for the BIG HEAD. Thats whats gotta be addressed. ALLEN
Polaris, I never imagined you were feeling that way. Please do not. You're one of the best over here and if you quit you'd really be a loss for TPU
I apologise for my post, I tried to 'lighten up' this thread but honestly I had no idea of your impending feelings. I re-iterate that this is the best tech forum I've ever been on, if not the best 'all-over-topic' forum. Please keep it up.
I see where you all are coming from, and most, if not all of us here recognize the work load y'all have to deal with.
I just wanted to point out above that if mods don't mod equally, it creates a disturbance amoungst the hive - and I think that's where a lot of these issues keep cropping up from.
Look at it this way - if every mod carried out infractions/warnings in the same manner and for the same situations as the next mod - then there's no way that the users can complain that one mod is being more strict than the next, or that a user isn't being singled out from the hive . . .
plus, it makes it easier for mods to keep an eye on themselves in case someone does start getting carried away with themselves.
mod equally and with equality.
That post does reflect some scary things about human beings, that's for sure. However, I don't believe that it applies in this situation. The mods here usually become mods due to their reputations as members first...for their knowledge, maturity, and ability to communicate effectively with members. Oh, and for those of us who are mature...the whole concept of e-penis is utterly ridiculous and sad.
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