Discussion in 'Comments & Feedback' started by W1zzard, Feb 21, 2007.
Back at ya
Dont ya think we got enough already maybe not hmmmmmm :/
I'm tired of all those spam posters in TPU. They keep going and going, posting SPAM! Don't we have a image verification check to all those who want to register in this forum?
it seems they're bypassing it. I've seen a few threads today, perhaps something needs to be worked on.
Meh there easily identified and dont last long here just a minor inconvenience.
minor to us, annoying as shi!t for the mods who have to delete them.
those are real people. they are not bots. they go to the forum and make their posts.. all day long ..
just two mouse clicks to ban the user and all his spam posts
uggh. that sucks if real people will stoop that low.
And thank god its easy for you guys to deal with.
I know I'm new here but after looking for a good computer and hardware community, this was the best one I found so I don't really think anything needs to be done.
I think TPU should implement a registration-first post delay. If you are a new member, you register, but your registration email isnt sent straight away but ONE WEEK LATER. Alternatively, you can post for one week after you registered.
THEN, implement a one post per day maximum for the first week or something.
There must be a way to slow these blighters down.
Thanku for ur strong reccomendation of are community and great to see more Aussies in here.
a week sucks. Having just signed a friend up, she never would have signed up if it took that long.
Hell, the problem is that these spammers would get the email a day a week a month later - and they wont care, as soon as they get the email in, they'll spam away.
That will drive people away. Let's say my graphics card is acting up, I would want to register and post my question right away, not patiently wait for a week?
This is a tech forum, not a bank...(that takes a few days to process your application to create a new account).
Alright, x posts per day, and you're prevented from posting! My x posts weren't as important as my (x+1)th post. I'm owned because I can't post anymore.
Perhaps a title filter or something like that?
W1zzard says that it's easy to ban all those scumbag filling our forums with spam. But doing it almost every day gets annoying.
IDEA: Invert lemonadesoda's idea.
Send the activation mail one week later, and permit to the user to post on our forums, but with limited posting. Only when the account's activated, it would be fully active. But there would be a reasonable amount of posts that one could post within a week.
Simple way to fight spam is to appoint more mods, either forum specific or global=problem solved......difficult registration processes only work for the big boards and special interest forums IMO.
A bit of spam is inevitable, and this is a pretty good forum, so we need to be mindful of that
All a spammer wants, is to register, post one or two spam threads/posts, and more...till we clean up. No amount of "measures" would help. It would only trouble genuine users. Like W1z said, all it takes is 2 clicks for us to kill spam.
1./ Not true. The question is what measures are appropriate
2./ It is NO TROUBLE to genuine members. We are ALREADY HERE. The question is what should the entry process look like for new members? Yes, keep it simple. Yes, dont make people jump through too many hurdles. But that doesnt mean "no measures" is the only answer.
Doing something is better than nothing. While the ideas suggested were off the cuff, I really think some security system should be implemented if only a delay. I'm happy for you guys to implement whatever you think is the most appropriate. But the response "ah, lets let a new member, who we dont know is legit or a spammer/scammer, have free run of the community forum" is not a properly considered response to the problem.
Take a look at the recent FOR SALE scam. Perhaps FS forum blocked until a user has earned a little history. Or the recent spam threads. While all these measures can be beaten by the persistent spammer, scammer, it means they are forced to work harder rather than just use the "same old method of spamming/scamming" on any vBulletin forum.
Personally, I think limiting/restricting posts during an initial period is a sensible approach to address an identified issue.
Is this a free help desk or a community? A community. Most of the "better" members would all say they hung around the forum a bit before becoming POSTWHORES. So why not take that as an appropriate "culture"? Come here as a noob, and one post per day, or limit the posts to a forum section. Lets encourage new members, if they have come to ask an URGENT QUESTION, to structure their question properly. Most people can, unless they are given the freedom to be tardy and wait for forum members to have to discover more info.
I also think that (basic) system specs should be filled in before someone can post.
I think TPU admins should think about a member strategy/profile for the community here. Once that is defined and agreed amongst yourselves then perhaps and "policies" become more obvious.
1. By genuine, I'm obviously refering to new genuine members? people who sign up so they could seek help/ comment on news, reviews, articles, etc...and asap?
2. Measures are already in place (so we are doing something (better than nothing)), however, any, absolutely any preventive measure will make TPU repulsive for newcomers. We wouldn't want to provide them with a restricted environment. A 'n00b' should get exactly the same features, and treatment as you, and we won't let something as trivial as spam to snatch that away from them.
Making members jump through any type of hoop before they register is a very discouraging and will reduce growth. No successful forum, that I've seen, implements the type of front-end protections that some of you are suggesting. The best way to deal with spam is for members to report it so moderators can do something about it. I realize we had a higher than normal amount of spam tonight due to most of the moderators being asleep/busy. This is a problem we are trying to fix by adding new moderators who we hope to have signed on within the next couple weeks once Urlyin makes the final decision on who they should be.
As far as the for sale thread goes. Something probably does need to be done about that and we are discussing it. However, there is a different thread for that so please post your suggestions about it there instead of here.
I agree changing the registration process would'nt be beneficial at all to the community - and it definitely won't stop spammers. As it is, I think the current setup keeps most of the bots at bay, it's the flesh&blood spammers that are a PITA.
Even still, I rarely see spam threads around here, so the mods are doing a superb job, IMO, at removing them ASAP.
Yeah, obfuscated text during registration pretty much eliminates spam bots and any attempts to autonomously get rid of human spam may lead to false positives. In the few days I've been here, I haven't seen any spam. People always sign up when they see something they want to respond to or when they need assistance. I strongly advise against a registration hold period. Users subject to the hold are likely to register somewhere else and get instant feedback. As a result, they are likely to forget they even registered to TPU and should they be reminded via email, they are likely to consider it junk.
If it is really a problem, why not either modify "Report Post," add "Mark as Spam," or something similar and if x number of users have considered it spam, delete it. If the thread to be deleted is the thread starter, delete the thread. The number required to act autonomously would have to be low enough that the spam threads/posts are removed and high enough that legitimate topics are left alone. The sweet spot would have to be discovered through trial and error.
Here's what is wrong with these forums
+1. General Nonsense is a place to hang out and have fun, not to joke with somebody :shadedshu.
It has nothing to do with our forum, but more with a member. If there's a post you don't like. Report it and the mods will deal with it.
In regards to spam.. Again, just report it. Many of you feel you need to post a comment after the spam has been posted, and even go as far as quoting the spam! Very counter-productive and it does nothing but post more spam. If you see spam use the REPORT BUTTON and it will be deleted.
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