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Which CPU.... "best bang for the buck"???

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  1. miloshs

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    Hey guys, i'm in the process of buying a new PC,and had some questions in the Video Card part of the forums... now that i got the answers on that part, im thinking of a CPU for my new config.

    Since im probably going to take Asus M2N-SLI mobo, and 2x 9600GT 512MB and at least 2gb of RAM,im thinking of which CPU to get.
    Actually im thinkign between the X2 90nm and X2 65nm... as i've read the 90nm one get a bit better performance,and overclocks better, with the downside of more power drag...

    But the thing is...

    I can get the X2 4600+ 90nm for 65$, and the X2 4800+ 65nm is 92$, and im thinking if its better to get the 90nm one, and save 30$ to put into my second 9600GT so i can get it sooner, or just opt for 5000+ (or better) 65nm one, and save up for my 2nd 9600GT in the coming month or two?

    Oh i do have to mention that my current budget doesnt allow me to get 2x 9600GT's right away, but if i get 90nm CPU i could probably buy both GPUs at the same time....

    This is one of those situations where im not smart enough to make the right choice on my own...

    Oh and one more thing... do you think it is better to get 800MHZ RAM or get the 1066MHZ version to have better overclocking potential (the M2N-SLI supports 800MHZ DDR2 tops)???

    tnx up front...
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    Get the AMD Athlon X2 5000+ Black Edition (should be about the same price as the 4800, if not cheaper). That 4600 Windsor will not overclock well at all, and the 5000BE is pretty much a guaranteed 3.1-3.2GHz processor.
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    Erm nobody was even going there...
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    Well, you see... im not in the US or Europe.... the prices here are a little higher and we dont have newegg to supply us with new stuff 30mins after they are published....
    And also no PC store has 9800gtx or 4850 on stock yet, not at least for another 2-3months...

    The 3 piece combo u suggested would set me back 460$ (in the US - but probably between 500-550$ here) while M2N-SLI (87$)+ X2 5000(95$) + 9600GT(185$) would set me back 367$

    and my budget is 800$...

    For christs sake, PC shops here dont even have P45 motherboards... P35 CF is around 130$, and E7200 is 155$,and i think 4850 would cost me at least 250-300$...

    Yes i know, third world countries suck big time :(

    OMG http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121247R here costs 450$, so go figure....

    Thats why 9600GT is a very,very viable option for me...
    I would so like to live in a normal place, so i can buy a decent PC and play games like normal people, but...

    oh my god... if i had twice the budget...... :D, maybe then i could have P45, E7200 and 9800GTX :D

    Serbia sucks,computer wise...


    One more thing, if i had 9600GT SLI machine i would have one of the best PC-s in the country, so go figure...

    Oh and yes thanks for the replies :D
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    Oh and i would defo get 1x 9800GTX instead of 9600GT SLI and buy one more 9800GTX later on, but they just cant be found here...

    Lol, and if i don't sell amy old PC, im not getting the new one, so buying the whole rig except the GPU is out of the question...

    I could probably get my friend in the US to get me one of them 9800GTX's but id have to wait until october at least...
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    one thing if you do use a 570 SLI mobo the SLI slots will be at X8 and the 9600GTs or 8600GTs will be fine.
    If you use only 1 Video card it will run at X16 so a 9800GTX or $$ card will be fine as long as you use only one.

    It would really help to know what hardware is available to you (not many of us are familiar with whats available in Serbia)

    Also It would help to know what you want to do with the comp, the resolution of your monitor (if gaming)

    if your case can support an ATX mobo or if you need a mATX.(count the slots on the back where you connect the video card/sound card)

    What parts you would like to use off your existing comp

    Real budget, and if you may want to upgrade the comp later on

    I didnt want to sound like a jerk, but he is in Serbia. Also he didnt know the diff between SLI/Crossfire so OCing should be out of the question for now.
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    If I may: Here is an overview of price-performance-ratio of almost all cpus, based on the tests from xbitlabs.com. Helpful, if you do not plan to overclock. If you do, then of course Intel is the CPU to buy - these days.

    First chart shows CPUs sort by performance, second ranking by value (price-performance-ratio). It's updated every month.

    Red = price (EUR)
    Blue = index
    yellow = performance

    The same does exist for graphics cards, but update is pending. For graphics cards you'll also find power consumption charts, if energy saving while idleing is a point you are interested in.

    I propose using only a single GPU-configuration. No SLI-lags, price-performance is greater than every SLI- or CF-setup will ever be. Sell your 9600GT since you have saved some money and go for a good card: HD4850 or 9800GTX. CPU: Definately a 65nm X2. :)
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    Well AMD is good then. Sorry to hear about the prices! Us Americans are spoiled when it comes to PC parts :D I would get one 9600GT until you can get a better cpu tho cause anything more would bottleneck afaik.
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    Your drunk... HD4850 > 9800GTX cheaper, and uses less power :)

    Are you going to overclock?
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    On a limited budget where you wont be OCing AMD is a better deal.

    The CPUs made with 65nm will run cooler than the 90nm versions so I would pay a bit more for one of those.

    Are there any AM2+ motherboards available to you?

    and to Niko, I bet the 9600GTs in SLI beat both the 9800GTX and 4850.
    (and the 4850s seem to be running pretty hot)

    But one thing I notice is there seems to be WAY MORE Crossfire mobos being made than SLI ones.
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    You can try and figure it out here if u understand something (unfortunately this PC shop has no english language webpage), usually every number u can see u can divide by 58 and ull get the sum in USD...

    I was actually just looking at that, and i think if im getting the M2N series ill get teh Deluxe version (that one has 16x/16x)

    Also by US standards you can call my PC a budget PC :banghead: but talking about Serbian standards you can call it a High Performance Gaming PC...

    And i usually play games on my 17" LCD (1280x1024 tops), and sometimes on my 32" LCD TV (1360x768 tops)

    Here usually High-End hardware is not easy to come by, mostly because no one wants to give his 3 month pay to get 9800GX2 or SLI 9800GTX, so in most cases we get the high end hardware in 3-6 months time. Most of the people here have 8500 and 8600 series of cards.

    As an example, while in the whole world 8800GT is no more a high end card, in serbia people still take it as a ultra high end GPU.

    I just think that 9600GT SLI would be a better buy considering the top resolution of 1280x1024 that my monitor can support...
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    Yea, if you were in the States it'd be a no-brainer recommendation for Intel, but I'd say go with AMD on this one. The BE x2 5000+ is a great deal, and a 9600GT will treat you great. Best of luck! :toast:
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    Im pretty sure 1 of the 9600GTs would be fine for you at that resolution. Using an SLI mobo would allow you to get 1 more later.
    The thing is here the 9800GTXs are now $199 to get closer to the 4850s. The prob is 2 9800GTXs would need a very powerful PS adding more to your comp and since you are using a X2 46 or 4800 CPU I think it would be too much for the CPU anyways, thats why I suggest the 9600GT (more efficient)

    Is there another brand of mobo other than Asus there?

    The deluxe mobo is a 590 chipset? (as far as I know the only mobos of that series that are x16 times 2) I use a Biostar N750 and its X8 with 2 9600GTs and I cant tell any difference between it and a Biostar 590 thats X16 times 2 on its sli slots)
    From what I understand thats the purpose of the bridge that connects the 2 cards, to help transfer the bandwidth.
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    Yes there are but ofcourse selection is scarse, so most of the times PC shops dont have AM2+ SLI mobo.... cuz theres actually not too many people that want to go SLI (or CF)...

    As i've read 9600GT SLI is a very good combination and in some cases beats the 8800GT SLI combination, 3850 SLI, and in some cases even 3870X2 GPU... Mostly on lower resolutions which is actually what i would be needing...
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    If your only choice is which AMD processor, I vote 5000+BE.

    Just a word of caution on those 9600GT, I have 2 XFX9600GT, both are reference Nvidia design and they suffer from the "Black Screen" OCP. I had to keep them at stock speeds, happens less often. Any oc and they get the "Black Screen" more often. I'm not sure if XFX have fixed this problem with their newer versions, but the XFX versions I have are black fan shroud with just the Nvidia logo. Newer versions appear to have the XFX logo.

    From what I read on the EVGA forum, the Palit version don't have this problem at all.
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    Actually we have mostl ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE and some shops have XFX and DFI boards but those tend to be very expensive, especially DFI... there are also some EPOX motherboards but they ar also scarce...

    Same thing is with the GPU's... mostly ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE, some XFX's, POWERCOLOR, even some LEADTEK and SAPPHIRE...

    The situation is like this... budget stuff can be bought at the prices very similar to US, but as you go from budget to performance (high-end) stuff prices tend to go up exponentialy, and that includes every part of the PC... including PSU

    PSU market is particularily retarded... top PSU u can get is 600-650W as no one buys Dual GPU (as i've mentioned before) os there is no need for the shops to have them...

    This one shop has 1KW PSU but at the cost of 200+ euros ( 280$)

    As an example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371012 would cost 300$ compared to 250$ at newegg... which is not that big of a difference when you think of it.... but 50$x 8-9 = a lot of extra spending :D
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    If you are not overclocking the AMD is a better deal. I would +1 for the 65nm chip though.

    As for the video cards, any of those are going to be good 9600gt,gso, hd3870/4850.. Kinda go off price there, the fact you play games in 1280x1024 tells me you wouldn't need much more than a hd3870 even, I can play crysis all the way through on my old 3870 overclocked at that res, on e6750 @ 3.2 ghz.
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    That's actually the amount of wattage you need. What brand PSU's do they carry?
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    Codegen 6099 Black (Briza) no PSU
    Chieftec Turbo 650W 14CM FAN FULL
    SAM2 M2N-SLI Deluxe,nForce 570 SLI MCP,HT2000,DDR2 800,EC
    AMD AM2 Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core 5000+ Brisbane 64 Bit 2.6GHz 65nm 65W BOX
    2x PQI DDRII 1GB PC800 CL5
    SATAII SE16 Caviar 16MB/250GB ,300MB/s,7200RPM,8,9
    DVDRW DVR-215D Black S-ata
    2x MSI N9600GT/PCI-E 2.0/700MHz/1900MHz 512MB DDRIII/256B

    Just as a reference... how much would this cost at your PC store? US, Europe, Anywhere.....

    List the price in Euros or $

    And what do you think of that PC config?
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    Coolermaster, Chieftec, Antec, Corsair... but bear in mind that Antec and Corsair are at least 50% more money for the same wattage ( not saying they're not better, but stil 120$ is not the same as 180$ when youre talking about restricted budget).

    I wanted to get Chieftec Turbo CFT-650W for my 9600GT SLI setup, u think that would be plenty?
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    how much would a Corsair 550 or an Antec 550 cost you there?

    Is there other memory than PQI?
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    Hah!!! Found it....

    MSI N9800GTX-T2D512 = 359$ in Serbia, 219$ on Newegg.... :(

    What a downer!

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