who needs a 3 gb ram gpu lol

[Mussels]

There is a difference in how its worded.

"after X distance, i cant see a difference"

vs

"after X distance, no one can see a difference"


according to console gamers 720p at 30FPS is good enough anyway, and 24Hz is all we need and 640K of ram, blah blah blah. once you use the new tech and your eyes and brain adjust, you can see the difference. casual glances are not enough time to do that.

 

[EarthDog]

+1 Mussels... I said throughout "MOST and I". Its not like there is a cut and dry line like that graph I showed. But GENERALLY speaking, the graphs you see are what the population generally sees as the difference. There are not hundreds of publications saying the same thing I am because they are wrong. Is there a difference, sure there is. You can sit CLOSER and not see pixels and see more detail without pixelation. But after a certain distance, our eyes cannot discern the difference.

EDIT: Here is a snip from another article (techradar).

So I'll see a huge difference?

That's where it gets sticky. We're talking about a similar jump in resolution as the one from SD (480 lines high) to HD (1080 lines high). And 4K screens are noticeably sharper than 1080p screens. But there are a few reasons you might not feel the same thrill you did when you upgraded your old CRT to a flatscreen.

When most people went from a 480 to a 1080p set, there was a good chance they were making a big jump in TV size as well. In terms of wow factor, display size is more powerful than any resolution jump could ever hope to be. Last time around most people got big jumps to both screen size and resolution. But this time screen sizes are staying about the same, with the most popular models falling in the 40 inch to 70 inch range.

Most importantly, though, you'll only be able to see the resolution difference on a 4K set if you're 1) watching 4K content through it and 2) you're sitting close enough.

Sitting close enough?
Yup. Remember when Apple made a big fuss about "retina" displays a few iPhones back? "Retina" refers to screens that have sufficient resolution that at a normal viewing distance your eye can't make out individual pixels. Get far enough away from a 1080p set and, hey presto, It's a retina display! More importantly, at that same distance, your eyeballs won't be able to squeeze any more detail out of a 4K image than a 1080 one. If you're at "retina distance" from your 1080p set now and don't plan on moving your couch closer, upgrading to 4K may not make a big difference to your experience. This chart [[http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html]] shows how close you need to sit at any given screen size to see the difference.

So I should sit closer?
Oh my yes. The ability to get up close to the screen without the image breaking down is one of the most intoxicating things about 4K. Sitting closer allows the same sized screen to fill more of your visual field, which yields greater immersion. The up-close factor is one of the reasons 4K computer monitors have become one of the technology's fastest growing sectors. 4K monitors remain pin-sharp even when you're just a foot or two from the screen, as you are when you're sitting at your desk.

For a couple of those instances where I have seen the comparison, I was sitting on a couch or standing with a rep for over 10 minutes. Not sure if you think that is casual or long enough for my eyes to adjust though... I would think if that was the case, the experts that wrote some of these articles did sit down and let their 'eyes adjust' but still you see the same 'rules of thumb' all over the place.

Neat link (calculator at the bottom): http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

 

[D007]

Lol....You'd probably get overly defensive if YOU had sunk $2000 on a display that others were saying was "no different" from the standard 1080....I do NOT disagree with You , NOR do i agree with those comments directed towards You. To ME it seems as though You are just voicing YOUR opinion, which is totally acceptable, some people dont like that.

Ignorance is bliss.
MLK said "there is nothing more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
Saying 4k on a 50" is no different, is as sincerely ignorant as it gets.
It's not just a pixel count thing, even the colors look better. It's a different color scheme.

I'm not being defensive at all. I just think it's beyond stupid, for people to preach BS and act as if they know something.
Then to insult them and insult your own children in doing so, to try an invalidate their opinion is.. ugh..

4k looks insanely better than 1080 on a big screen TV and anyone who saw it would know it is a fact.
Opinions are great when they are applicable.
Example "I think the avengers are great movies".
But making an opinion about weather 4k looks better than 1080, is like making an opinion that 2+2 does not = 4.
Facts are facts. 4k looks better on big screens.
No opinion necessary or applicable.
Anything that can run in 4k, looks waaaayyy better and it is painfully obvious.
There is no question about it..

There is a difference in how its worded.

"after X distance, i cant see a difference"

vs

"after X distance, no one can see a difference"


according to console gamers 720p at 30FPS is good enough anyway, and 24Hz is all we need and 640K of ram, blah blah blah. once you use the new tech and your eyes and brain adjust, you can see the difference. casual glances are not enough time to do that.

And that.


Just because some people are legally blind, doesn't mean everyone is.
You'd have to be if you can look at 4k vs 1080 and say "there is no difference" on a 50" screen.

 

[EarthDog]

Just because some people are legally blind, doesn't mean everyone is.
You'd have to be if you can look at 4k vs 1080 and say "there is no difference" on a 50" screen.

And that is just thing... you keep saying that I am saying there is no difference. There is. Just not after XX amount of feet for *MOST* people. Its what I experienced. Its what dozens of articles (experts) also say. Perhaps you have super eyesight compared to my 'perfect' eye sight (again 20/20 with glasses, 20/30 w/o for the record). But you really need to stop your insulting means of getting your point across by disparaging those that do not think as you do (me).

What is odd to me in this whole thing is that we are supposed to believe YOUR subjective opinion as The Gospel, yet mine means nothing...(which is fine). What you should be attacking, instead of me personally, are the links to support my assertion and why those are wrong with some of your own. If you spent more time addressing the actual issues and less time demeaning me in this thread, perhaps I could see the light.

Now, color reproduction is a COMPLETELY different piece of subject matter than the amount of pixels and detail one can see at XX feet away which is what this conversation started with.

 

[OneMoar]

EarthDog nailed it if your display is 10-15 foot away then you are not gonna see any quality difference with 4k vs 1080p most 1080P cable is actually 720P and then the box does the up scaling your 4K tv is sadly irrelevant in MOST CASES
-unless you are under the age of 20 and are the last son of krypton ..

 

[Tallencor]

EarthDog nailed it if your display is 10-15 foot away then you are not gonna see any quality difference with 4k vs 1080p most 1080P cable is actually 720P and then the box does the up scaling your 4K tv is sadly irrelevant in MOST CASES
-unless you are under the age of 20 and are the last son of krypton ..

This is the sole reason I will wait to spend this much moolah on new tech to begin with. The older format/hardware stays rellavent longer than the newest of the new.

 

[EarthDog]

EarthDog nailed it if your display is 10-15 foot away then you are not gonna see any quality difference with 4k vs 1080p

That is all I am saying... What all the websites I linked said... Just waiting for something more than whatever I have been getting outside of insults in order to believe what that one person has been preaching.

 

[OneMoar]

we have a Elcheap 1080P 55inch tv from bestrippoff I stream my movies to it over UpNp most of my collection is 720p
and my elcheap blueray player does the upscaling if I go up and stand about 6 foot from the screen the quality is MeH if I go and sit down on the couch 15 foot away you would swear it was native 1080p
another example its football season if I flip the game on and go up to the tv it looks like ANUS sitting on the couch its still MEH but its not horrible
its all about how close you are and what kind of media you display
so I present this point your 4K tv will most likely look worse then my Elcheap 55 inch 1080P tv does AT THE SAME Viewing Distence using the same source: MOAR PIXLES=MORE UPSCALING and upscaling is bad mmmMmkay

 

[Mussels]

DP 1.3 was announced with 4K 120Hz support.


cant wait for that on a 46"

 

[RejZoR]

The question is, what DP you have on a graphic card...

 

[MxPhenom 216]

And that is just thing... you keep saying that I am saying there is no difference. There is. Just not after XX amount of feet for *MOST* people. Its what I experienced. Its what dozens of articles (experts) also say. Perhaps you have super eyesight compared to my 'perfect' eye sight (again 20/20 with glasses, 20/30 w/o for the record). But you really need to stop your insulting means of getting your point across by disparaging those that do not think as you do (me).

What is odd to me in this whole thing is that we are supposed to believe YOUR subjective opinion as The Gospel, yet mine means nothing...(which is fine). What you should be attacking, instead of me personally, are the links to support my assertion and why those are wrong with some of your own. If you spent more time addressing the actual issues and less time demeaning me in this thread, perhaps I could see the light.

Now, color reproduction is a COMPLETELY different piece of subject matter than the amount of pixels and detail one can see at XX feet away which is what this conversation started with.

I agree to an extent. I was at Costco looking at 4k screens and no matter the distance I was from the screen, there was a pretty big difference in quality and people there looking at it also were commenting on it as well.

 

[D007]

EarthDog nailed it if your display is 10-15 foot away then you are not gonna see any quality difference with 4k vs 1080p most 1080P cable is actually 720P and then the box does the up scaling your 4K tv is sadly irrelevant in MOST CASES
-unless you are under the age of 20 and are the last son of krypton ..

UNLESS YOU ARE ON A BIG SCREEN TV.
You and Earthdog are terribly misinformed or just completely ignorant.

Of course you won't see shit on a 20" monitor.
Man you guys are killing me here..
I'm freaking looking at it right now.
Nothing you can say will turn your WRONG opinion into a fact.

I'm not talking about watching TV on cable or movies..

I am talking about taking ANY GAME IN EXISTENCE AND SETTING IT TO 1080P THEN SETTING IT TO 4K..

Try that on a 50" TV and if you can straight faced say "there is no difference" then you may sincerely have sight issues.
That's a fact.

 

[EarthDog]

Nobody said a 20" monitor...(dude you quoted said age). I was seeing it on a 55-60" monitor and something larger at CES. Both were 4k demo disks according to who I talked with. Would that show the same differences you are describing that I cannot see?

I guess I don't understand why these articles I linked from reputable websites say one thing and you(others) experience another. Again, is it because of the source you see (gaming) versus what I/articles saw that is different?

I'm really trying to get to the bottom of this however it is becoming increasingly aggressive and personal which is making it difficult to continue. I guess I'll leave it that before I lose my shit, lol.

 

[bubbleawsome]

I'm on 1280x1024 5:4 peasant-ness and have still hit the full 3GB on my 7970. You have to try though.