Who'll be the better president?

[Bigjohn]

I don't deny that at all. But ironically, Americans fly down here to get their treatments done at a price we term as fair. Price : Performance ratio ? Why do Americans fly down here when they have the "best" health-care there? Because not all can have access to necessary health-care when they need it.

Back when I was doing my interns, our hospital management asked us to survey our out-patient dept. to find out what people thinks about the way the government is making us price our services. It's a regulation. Surprisingly, the average Indian did not find the prices of health-care services pinching (or unreasonable). A surgery is an expensive affair for sure (by local standards), but it's not expensive enough for getting into the 'unreasonable' domain.

Most of these visits are for "elective" surguries - India has actually developed a FREE MARKET solution, providing a clean and safe facility that is not excessively regulated where people can buy what they need.

 

[btarunr]

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[Guru Janitor]

Wrong.
Healthcare in the US came under severe government intervention when the UNIONS (socialist gangs of thugs) demanded more and more things be covered by their "insurance". Even into the late 1960's you could get a house-call from a doctor. No more...Why? Because the unions demanded EVERYTHING be covered by "insurance". WTF? Car insurance does not cover oil changes or car washes, why should "health insurance" cover a checkup??

Because a checkup today costs 100 dollars...

 

[btarunr]

Most of these visits are for "elective" surgeries - India has actually developed a FREE MARKET solution, providing a clean and safe facility that is not excessively regulated where people can buy what they need.

You could be right, I don't know the proportion between elective and prescribed surgeries, but we do have a sizable amount of health-tourists here. Yes, the market is largely free-market, though health services are regulated in the private sector. It is to maintain parity between private health institutions and those run by the state.

 

[Bigjohn]

Because a checkup today costs 100 dollars...

So, an oil change costs 30. and you have to do it ever 3 - 4 months or so... you only need a checkup when you want one, or when you're sick... and it costs 100 because OF UNION MANDATES AND GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!

 

[Rammsteiner]

are you crazy every dignitary in the world flys to the Mayo Clinic or to the Cleveland Clinc for treatment. The USA has the finest doctors and health care in the world hands down.

lolwut

This is exactly what I meant a few hours back (and already 7 pages back or so). This is plain arrogant to be honest.

Anyway, to keep it a bit clean, then why did I never heard of anyone specially going to USA for health care? I heard loads of countries, never USA while the dollar is very attractive as well. Damn, I even heard people specially going to Serbia for some threatment.

Also, I think that 'superior health care' is far from superior. If you were a doctor and lets say a 10 year old boy gets brought in because some drunk mofo hit him with a car and he has a broken backspine... Are you really willing to let him alive for the rest of his whole life while he cant do jack sh*t? Even when he and his parents ask, or even beg, you to just pull the plug? Yeah, the best health care, way to go

Besides that, I think pretty much most countries have the very same quality of doctors anyway. This science isnt a national secret, every doctor had a long time of studies as well.

 

[MilkyWay]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4&feature=related

Barack is awesome even if he dosnt win hes still a legend.

 

[Bigjohn]

lolwut

This is exactly what I meant a few hours back (and already 7 pages back or so). This is plain arrogant to be honest.

Anyway, to keep it a bit clean, then why did I never heard of anyone specially going to USA for health care? I heard loads of countries, never USA while the dollar is very attractive as well. Damn, I even heard people specially going to Serbia for some threatment.

Also, I think that 'superior health care' is far from superior. If you were a doctor and lets say a 10 year old boy gets brought in because some drunk mofo hit him with a car and he has a broken backspine... Are you really willing to let him alive for the rest of his whole life while he cant do jack sh*t? Even when he and his parents ask, or even beg, you to just pull the plug? Yeah, the best health care, way to go

Besides that, I think pretty much most countries have the very same quality of doctors anyway. This science isnt a national secret, every doctor had a long time of studies as well.

No, they pull the plug here all the time - and if it were not for the socialists, probably more often...

Most DISCOVERIES are made here. American companies have more patents, inventions, etc. than anywhere in the world. per capita, we have the BEST system in the world. Nobody waits 6 months for a cancer treatment.
Canadians come here, from their UK style health system...

Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama try to make you believe that they actually care about your healthcare. That's horsecrap. The truth of the matter is: they don't. They care about power. Democrats want to provide government healthcare or insurance programs for one reason ... because they realize that controlling your health care means controlling you. Power. Don't believe me? Here's the news from April 2008

 

[proletariandan]

and Ted Turner is better? Hannoi Janes husband who founded CNN. Most normal Americans agree with Rupert Mudock and Fox news is the number one news source in America look it up. Hes a conservative Christian Bizzilion air and I agree with him on most topics.

 

[trt740]

 

[trt740]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4&feature=related

Barack is awesome even if he dosnt win hes still a legend.

your right hes a legendary community orgainizer and political activist on the level of MalcomX and Lewis Farrakhan

 

[Bigjohn]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4&feature=related

Barack is awesome even if he dosnt win hes still a legend.

Awesome why? What has he done? Besides being primped and polished by the media in the US?

 

[proletariandan]

Who can pronounce 'nuclear' correctly?

Biden > Palin

...sad

 

[Polaris573]

Who can pronounce 'nuclear' correctly?

Biden > Palin

...sad

Yeah... I'm watching the debate right now. The whole farce is pretty silly.

Nuke you ler

 

[Bigjohn]

Who can pronounce 'nuclear' correctly?

Biden > Palin

...sad

Don't care about speach impediments... Care about not wanting to take my money to give it to someone else who's made horrible judgements and now wants "the government" to pay for his mistakes.
Nuklr, nucleeer, noookeler... don't matter to me. Build 10 plants in each state. Bingo, no need for oil fired power... but the socialists in congress are bound to the Environ-nazis, and so won't let us Drill for oil (for the past 30 years...) build a refinery (for the last 30 years), or, build a nuclear plan (since that incident at 3 mile island while Jimmy was in charge of the government and the nuclear regulatory commission...)

 

[Guru Janitor]

Awesome why? What has he done? Besides being primped and polished by the media in the US?

Barack Obama is one of the most down to earth and honest politicians on the planet. There's no denying it. I know you'll probably say something about this, but read any of his books, especially Audacity of Hope. How often do you get a nobody, coming from a mother 18 years older then himself, coming from nothing, touring around Illinois in a car town to town by himself, just to get on the peoples level, to see what they want, to let them know there's someone actually there in the government who still cares about the people. Then going on to be one of Illinoi's most influential senators. Now going on to fight to be president. He loves politics, and he loves the people. Mccain cant relate to anyone in middle class America except those who fight in a war. Obama grew up in lowerclass America, toured middle class, and lives with the upperclass, he knows it all. Most Americans fail to see this. It's certainly not a deciding factor, I'll give you that, but its pretty damn impressive.

 

[NinkobEi]

is it too late for a Obama/Palin ticket? I think she's tearing up Biden. Either way, she is a lot more intelligent than him.

 

[Duxx]

is it too late for a Obama/Palin ticket? I think she's tearing up Biden. Either way, she is a lot more intelligent than him.

Yah, think its a bit late

 

[Bigjohn]

Barack Obama is one of the most down to earth and honest politicians on the planet. There's no denying it. I know you'll probably say something about this, but read any of his books, especially Audacity of Hope. How often do you get a nobody, coming from a mother 18 years older then himself, coming from nothing, touring around Illinois in a car town to town by himself, just to get on the peoples level, to see what they want, to let them know there's someone actually there in the government who still cares about the people. Then going on to be one of Illinoi's most influential senators. Now going on to fight to be president. He loves politics, and he loves the people. Mccain cant relate to anyone in middle class America except those who fight in a war. Obama grew up in lowerclass America, toured middle class, and lives with the upperclass, he knows it all. Most Americans fail to see this. It's certainly not a deciding factor, I'll give you that, but its pretty damn impressive.

Down to earth? So was Hitler. He was "all about the common man"... then he banned guns, and when all the private guns were gone, herded up all the "races" he didn't like....

Not saying Obama is like hitler, except that he has a Cult of Personality effect.

He's superficial and two faced. He's Against the surge, then for the surge... He's a welfare stateist, believing government is the solution, not the problem. Biden talks about Reinstating the middle class -- the middle class grew more under Reagan and Bush (2), than it did under Carter, and Clinton both...

 

[magibeg]

is it too late for a Obama/Palin ticket? I think she's tearing up Biden. Either way, she is a lot more intelligent than him.

Wait was that a joke?

That was a horrible debate to watch, sarah palin pretty much refused to answer certain questions... sorta made up her own questions, then went on wild stories that really didn't mean anything.

 

[Castiel]

Last time I was posting on this topic there was 69 post and now there is over 250! Man, politics needs its own section.

 

[NinkobEi]

Wait was that a joke?

That was a horrible debate to watch, sarah palin pretty much refused to answer certain questions... sorta made up her own questions, then went on wild stories that really didn't mean anything.

at the beginning yeah she did awful. evaded questions..but I thought she really picked it up at the end. of course I was only half paying attention...
it did seem like Biden kept saying the same ol' lines over and over again. I thought Palin had some nice rebuttals to Biden's anti-mccain/pro-obama script.
That said, I still like Obama more than I do McCain, but it seems like he could have picked a better VP than Biden.

 

[Bigjohn]

other than saying "also" too often, she answered every question and did so better than Biden.

Biden needs to address the fact that he HATED obama, thought he was unfit to lead, but now he's on the ticket, he loves him and wants to bone him...

 

[Bigjohn]

biden/obama is about as factual as ATT saying you need to use their service because they have more bars in more places (based on global coverage).... in the US their service sucks, but people will buy their phones because of those stupid commercials...

America is great because of our independent nature. If you want government to take care of you, do like all the muslims do, and move to france for free healthcare.... the benefit of americans moving is that we wont then tell you to change your laws because they offend us and we'll burn your town if you dont.... but oh, this is not about the islamification of europe is it, it's about Obama being a socialist vs a McCain centrist...

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Hey W1z,

We need another poll. "Who won the Vice Presidential Debate"
A. Biden
B. Palin
C. Neither
D. Both
E. The Media