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Who'll be the better president?

Who'll be the better president?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 1,290 57.9%
  • John McCain

    Votes: 333 14.9%
  • But I want George W. Bush

    Votes: 177 7.9%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 429 19.2%

  • Total voters
    2,229
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Only the BBC

I would agree but unfortunately republicans are told its "Liberal" because it questions GW Bush's intentions. So good luck. ;)
 
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OK guys. So, if you are decided on a condidate, WHY are you voting for them?

lesser of two evils, heck I might not vote for either and write in Mickey mouse he got like 50,000 write in votes lastime.
 
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I would agree but unfortunately republicans are told its "Liberal" because it questions GW Bush's intentions. So good luck. ;)

we woulds all agree, you would agree on that ,your a liberal and thats a fact.

in case you missed this part before you flame baited me

Oh forgot to tell ya good night no hard feeling. I mean that, no hidden meaning here, I actually think you are a good guy, but don't agree with you. Don't take any of this personal Obama will win anyways because of how messed up thing are in our economy and people are sick of a war, weather it's justified or not , but I think things will only get worse with him in office but only time will tell because he is gonna win.. The thanks is for hanging in there and sticking to what you think is right.
 

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lesser of two evils, heck I might not vote for either and write in Mickey mouse he got like 50,000 write in votes lastime.

I think I'll write in Ross Perot. lol.
 

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Only the BBC

I've followed BBC World throughout their 9/11 aftermath coverage (Afghanistan/Iraq...), they're not unbiased at all.
 
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I think I'll write in Ross Perot. lol.

god Ross is near 100 years old, hes so old he could be Mccains dad. Still a good guy.

 
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I would say that the BBC is liberal, just less of a stakeholder in American politics.
 

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I would say that the BBC is liberal, just less of a stakeholder in American politics.

They'd declared one of the buildings of WTC "collapsed", when it was very much standing, right behind their correspondent in NY, 30 minutes before it actually collapsed. (source: that Conspiracy video, which claims to show actual BBC footage).
 
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They'd declared one of the buildings of WTC "collapsed", when it was very much standing, right behind their correspondent in NY, 30 minutes before it actually collapsed. (source: that Conspiracy video, which claims to show actual BBC footage).

yes but lets not talk that topic again my god the last time was a mess.
 
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They'd declared one of the buildings of WTC "collapsed", when it was very much standing, right behind their correspondent in NY, 30 minutes before it actually collapsed. (source: that Conspiracy video, which claims to show actual BBC footage).

sniff sniff....smell it? ....check your shoes everyone.
 
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OK guys. So, if you are decided on a condidate, WHY are you voting for them?

Obama since I don't want any more families to lose there husbands/fathers. Luckily Biden will be helping to plan the exit strategy.

McCain used to be a great guy, but then everything changed three years ago when he considered running for president and his views magically changed.
 
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Obama since I don't want any more families to lose there husbands/fathers. Luckily Biden will be helping to plan the exit strategy.

McCain used to be a great guy, but then everything changed three years ago when he considered running for president and his views magically changed.

your right hes a conserative democrat, pretending hes a Republican, thats why hes the maverick his own party really doesn't like him. Hes for a fact an american hero but his politics are very bad just not as bad as B.O. 's and his stink even worse. Get it B.O and stink I made a funny. :roll:


here it comes I can feel it. :twitch:
 

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yes but lets not talk that topic again my god the last time was a mess.

It won't go there, I promise. just commenting on BBC. No media, absolutely no media, provides an unbiased perspective, unless it comes down to reporting countryside stories of "peasant grows world's largest cabbage", "pig delivers record 15 piglets"....etc.
 
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your right hes a conserative democrat, pretending hes a Republican, thats why hes the maverick his own party really doesn't like him. Hes for a fact an american hero but his politics are very bad just not as bad as B.O. 's and his stink even worse. Get it B.O and stink I made a funny.

Bill Clinton was very moderate for a democrat since he was referred to as a populist. A bland centrist like Hilary is. Both of them are very close to the early policies proposed by McCain, just years before running for the highest office.
 
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Bill Clinton was very moderate for a democrat since he was referred to as a populist. A bland centrist like Hilary is. Both of them are very close to the early policies proposed by McCain, just years before running for the highest office.

un no Clinton was a liberal big time, Al Gore was as close to a Republican as a Democrat can be (southern Democrat, was a NRA member, help found the PMRC to rate moves , music, and video games , was a soilder in vetnaim etc... thats why GW(who is a Liberal Republican) and all Gore were so close in their election they had the same voting base. Thats why when Clinton ran he picked Gore to pull votes from the right and Bush picked Cheney to pull votes from the ultra right.

thats why Mccain (liberal Republican) pick (conservative) Palin and (Ultra liberal) Democrate Obama picked (Moderate Democrat) Biden. In the Gore / Bush election Gore messed up bad because he picked Leberman a (Ultra conservative Democrat) and Gore got crazy changing his position on issues trying to pull from the far left base because Leberman couldn't. If he had picked a liberal he would have won. Other than the enviroment, and prior to that election many accused Gore of being a Republican. I know this because I read his book.
 
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un no Clinton was a liberal big time, Al Gore was as close to a Republican as a Democrat can be (southern democrate, was a NRA member, help found the PMRC to rate moves , music, and video games , was a soilder in vetnaim etc... thats why GW(who is a Liberal Republican) and all Gore were so close in their election they had the same voting base. Thats why when Clinton ran he picked Gore to pull votes from the right and Bush picked Cheney to pull votes from the ultra right.

thats why Mccain (liberal Republican) pick (conservative) Palin and (Ultra liberal) Democrate Obama picked (Moderate Democrat) Biden.

I guess we will agree to disagree on that then. Good night as its 2:30AM here.
 
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Hm, I have no idea whether someone has mentioned this already but just because we elect a certain president it doesn't mean that all of his projected policies will come into practice. Checks and balances... the Senate and Supreme Court will help to curb, or even entirely eliminate any radical changes the new president has in mind. Everyone has been going on and on about taxes and Iraq and whatnot... just because Obama wants (this is the key word here) to change the laws so that the people at the top of the pyramid will pay more taxes doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen.

And as a final comment, although I would like for there to be universal healthcare, I don't think it'll work out as nicely as we would all hope for it to. Our country is already financially overburdened because of Social Security, Medical, the "war on terrorism", and as of late, the $700B bailout package. As Times magazine had stated, our main and biggest export is debt... with all that red ink I have my strong doubts that healthcare for everyone is a good idea, let alone feasible. Much stricter regulation on pharmaceutical and health insurance companies' practices while boosting government-sponsored healthcare research (in order to pick up the possible slack from, or even augment, the pharmaceutical companies' research) would be a better, more practical step to take IMO.
 

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Obama was a constitutional law professor from 1992-2004(give or take)State legislator, 1997–2004,U.S. Senator, from 2005----now



In the early 2000's to 2007 or so we went from 37 trillion dollars invested and saved to 74 trillion dollars. That's more money than anyone combined spends in one year, countries, candy bars, everything.

All that extra money had to go somewhere. Housing was booming, and it was a good place to put all of that money. In fact there wasn't enough room there to put it.

They were buying the loans "mortgages"(investing) from banks then turning around and selling them on equity of the loan. I don't know who ened up with it last.

Anyways they couldn't get enough of them to sell, the class A group mainly. There are different classes that they sell A B C D the A being the best they(you and me) will pay back that loan. Some how they started mixing them together because they more or less ran out of them. So you had people investing trillions of dollars into class C thinking that they were class A loans. People started to default(remember last year on the rate increase after so many years were everyone lost their home).

Then everything started to go to hell.


That is how I understand the housing market mess. With the 700 Billion dollar buy out.


Then last week.

Market Share bonds(I think correct me if I'm wrong on my naming) borrow money for banks every day. In the BILLIONS. Now there are two sides that make this work. The banks and then the lenders(don't remember the name for that if you could help cool).

So they borrow say 10 million dollars, then they pay it back that day(at the end of the day) with interest. The banks are making the interest from the loans from you and spending a little to borrow the money for you. That week the Market Share bonds dropped one point. It has not done that in say 40 years.

People flipped out and moved their money to the other side to do the lending. Then what happened was that the banks almost could not borrow the money that it needs to do daily business, because to many players went to the other team(just like cod4 when it's 10 players against 2). Bush put a hold on this to stop it from going any further, but the experts said if they would of let it go just one more day the whole market would of locked up.

Now part of this 700billion dollars is going back into the system to fix this issue. That's why they were talking about a domino affect with all the banks crashing if one of them failed.





IMO what we should of done in the war is just go in and bomb the living shit out of them. Leave, and let them rebuild. If we don't like what they rebuilt, bomb the shit of them again. Everyone in the world wants to get ahead, and if kept doing that to them they would eventually stop all the craziness.
edit I have changed my view on this! not the way to handle it

They have been fighting for thousands of years, why do we think we can stop it by going in and controlling their lives? We as a nation are not the first ones to go in and try to change their governments and people.

When the oil runs up in those countries, they will have noting to offer to us.
 
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Yea, but all of you libertarians are choosing the Social issues over the issues that are much more important.

You can't protect your social issues without a government-free market, and a military. You're a real femme kinda guy if you're going to insure gays have the right to marry and a woman has the right to kill her own child over a prosperous and government-independent country.


about the abortion policy, i say it should only be done in case of rape, and if there is a possible chance the woman may die from complications.
 

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The first one to lose in an uncivilized debate is the one that stops yelling first. I refuse to start yelling, to prevent from lowering the bar on this debate even further than you have forced it.

i don't see how this topic/debate can get any lower, as it is as low as it can get.

i say we lock this topic down for the better of the TPU community.

Ye, or Neh

you decide.
 

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why were mine and tatty's post's deleted?

the truth hurt's doesn't it?
 

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Because they were complete garbage (barring Tatty's), which had little or no relevence, not only that, but destructive feedback. There will be no further discussion on that. This thread was started by W1z, as a prelude to the real polls that will come up, and on what difference polls on the frontpage make. You're free to discuss in and around the topic, but try trivialising it, and you've had it.
 
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