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Who'll be the better president?

Discussion in 'TPU Frontpage Polls' started by W1zzard, Oct 1, 2008.

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Who'll be the better president?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2008.
  1. Barack Obama

    1,290 vote(s)
    57.9%
  2. John McCain

    333 vote(s)
    14.9%
  3. But I want George W. Bush

    177 vote(s)
    7.9%
  4. Don't care

    429 vote(s)
    19.2%
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  1. trt740

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    ya read the huffington post it will sure help, being a republican blog (not) and all a great un bias news source.:wtf: Also the Army's plan is to not leave either country until they are stable, unlike Obamas plan of retreat and defeat.
     
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    Dude...
    I don't think these guys are getting your Sarcasm. ;)

    Move-On.ORG + Huffington Post = Democratic "take from the rich so the poor will vote for us" sleeze. :banghead:
     
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    I gave you huffington post so you would read it. I wanted to show you even republican news sources had to report on such a hypocrisy by Fox News.

    Its the Middle East. It has never been stable for the most part. Its not like America or Europe. :laugh:
     
  4. trt740

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    Well then they don't read and are uninformed and if you don't realize how left wing and bias some folks are here claming the huffington post is a Republican publication is like saying Barney Frank is a right wing,christian family man.
     
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    You forgot HETEROSEXUAL...

    Huffington post is one of the most PRO OBAMA rags ever. Feelings feelings feelings lies, but never any fact.

    There have been more FACTS posted here by "conservatives" than by socialists... Socialists/democrat party members typically spout Feelings and more Feelings "It's not fair", "Thats not true", "thats Propaganda"... but no facts...
     
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    I already have on page 1 :)

    This is so important, I'll quote my self again:

     
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    i dont even know whats the point of this thread. i learned a long time ago that discusssing politics leads to nothing but people getting upset, one side will never accept the others point of view and vice versa. Most of these threads just wind up being locked because folks cant keep it civil.
     
  8. trt740

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    we haven't heard this before thanks for the new idea :laugh:
     
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    "The only experience Obama has is that he's the first candidate in history to have so many death threats against him that for the first time in its history, the Secret Service has asked the FBI for assistance because they can't track them all. So maybe he'll get "combat experience" after all."

    LOL, awesome.
     
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    the huffington post is NOT!!!!!! a republican news source:wtf: Even democrats think Ariana Huffington is a crack pot.
     
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    than why are u in the middle of this then?
     
  12. trt740

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    Because I don't agree with you.
     
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    i'm not taking sides in the debate, what dont agree with?
     
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    I think these threads are useful and makes for great debates and can be very educational and people need to learn to disagree but not be disagreeable.
     
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    i dont know, i suppose it has the potential to be educational but from what ive seen it usually boils down to name calling, lost tempers, etc. I dont see many people changing their minds as a result.
    We shall see how this one turns out.
     
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    Lol, 50 years of socialism? I think you will probably find that in the last 50 years, in the leading EU member states that predominantly governments have been centre to the right, not to the left.
     
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    almost 600 post
     
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    it's not over until its over, lol

    though i admit, i expected this to be locked already.
     
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    Let me put this straight since this is really containing too much rubbish.

    No one likes taxes, not in USA, not in Europe, not in Asia. But it's needed, and of course the government could do a lot about re-arranging their money transfers to actually reduce taxes. But if a government is not allowed to interfere with the free market etc, how would a government get its money the most logical way. Also we've not been indoctrinated with socialism, we've the choice to either vote socialism or liberalism, then we've the nationalist wings which actually add only, well, kick'n around against everything with no solid feedback. Then we've a mix of socialism and liberalism with a christian touch talking left and right with what ever (socialist or liberal) side got the most votes, then we've shattered parties about animals only, about christianity only etc, which add nothing.

    The defination of fair is a bit two sided in your story. So can I say that taking the land from the Indians was anything but fair (ironically they call it the land of the free). Nor was it to interfere in Kosovo, followed by a hypocrit anti-Russian move in Georgie. Also it's not fair to drive back Inuits for your special wanks up north. I can make a very long list, but I hope this makes the point where Im going to, 'fair' is an abstract definition and depends completely on the point of view since you for example dont see anything unfair in the above mentioned things.

    Also less succesfull? Again, this depends on the point of view. And indeed, as said earlier, I do not agree with taking from the rich for the poor. But this has nothing to do with being succesfull. Bush and McCain are rich, Ive yet to see anything succesfully in them. Russia wasnt rich, they were anyhow quite succesfull in quite a few things. Or replace Russia with China for that matter for a better comparison if you want. Money has nothing to do with being succesfull. You can be a succesfull worker or a succesfull thief and in both ways get rich, yet the thief isnt very liked because he didnt get it 'fair' although he just did his job? I dont agree with thieves (only when they were mysteriouly smart, I can only laugh then), but it's just how succesfull can be read. Or a thieve getting damn rich but getting caught after a few years was in your eyes more succesfull than a thieve just stealing enough to live as a normal person by stealing little things which never got caught?:wtf:
     
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    For market fundamentalist Reagan/Thatcherites, centrist Keynesians (like Obama) are one step to the right of Lenin.
     
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    Well at least thats a step in the right direction :), and lets not forget, Thatcher has also been in power in the last 50 years which was the comment I responded too, damn, even the labour government of today is a million miles away from the old socialist labour of the 60's and 70's.

    As for taxes, yes, the UK is one of the highest taxation countries there is (although I can think of one or two that are taxed heavier), it has, up until this year had some of the strongest economical growth on the planet over the last 10 years, second only perhaps to China and maybe one or two others.......although I am not saying we have not suffered in other area's because of it!
     
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    maybe in Kenya but Obamas so far left he doesn't have a right arm.
     
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    Huh? Obama is a centrist. He isn't left by any meaning of the word. Get a ****ing clue.
     
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    I'm not saying they aren't important, but without a strong economy, you cannot have good education, environmental programs, healthcare programs. They all revolve around the state of the economy. Why do you think third world countries have such terrible healthcare, education, and environmental programs?
     
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    Our country (Netherlands) is sick with taxes too. But we've right now a labor party in the government and as well the economic minister is from that party, go figure:wtf: But Norwegian etc seem to have massive taxes on booze and tobacco's. I thought it was bad here already:roll:

    You dont know what you dont know, if you're far to the left you've not even the possibility to be anywhere near potential presidency in USA:nutkick: He's more social, that's different than socialism, and a complete other thing than being (extremist) left.
     

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