Who'll be the better president?

[Mussels]

Religion and Science are Apples to Oranges, you mix them without a good understanding of both and you get undesired results.

you get some nasty tasting juice, is what you get.

I'm watching from the sidelines here, its not my country so i have no real opinion on this matter but its interesting to see what pops up in this thread.

 

[SK-1]

religion requires faith

Science requires facts

Religion and Science are Apples to Oranges, you mix them without a good understanding of both and you get undesired results.

You can explain religion with science. It doesn't really work the other way around for some reason.

Science causes religious scripture to be interpreted differently. Its possible to say God gave the world a hint with scripture, and science helped him to increase his abilities to understand the holy books fully.

And thats how religion can coexist peacefully with science. If you believe in a set religion of course.

Just a definition,..no lecture needed.
The last Pope recognized science and evolution.

 

[SK-1]

I'm watching from the sidelines here, its not my country so i have no real opinion on this matter but its interesting to see what pops up in this thread.

No opinion? None?

 

[Tatty_Two]

Me, or at the lower level, the community pools together to pay for a ROAD... or a School.

The constituion is written that these things are powers of the STATE, and that the federal government is involved at all shows that it's been taken over by thugs. (whom, for the most part, have been DEMOCRATS since the great depression ...)

So in your case then, your not saying "the land of the free"

 

[Tatty_Two]

Dunno about you mate but i prefere Obama to brown lol i think hes a right boring old numpty his speeches bore me to death and i dont swallow anything that comes out his mouth bout time he gave up labour have a way of making somthing look good on one hand but are also good a introducing new taxes and stealth taxes like conjestion charges speed cameras theres even a resident parking permit scheme going on in my neighbourhood £25 a year to park your car on your own street and you arent guarenteed a parking space either BUT correct me if im wrong isnt this why we pay road tax? everything gets taxed its so bloody stupid (This tax things been used in british comedy before because of what they dream up to tax people on) Mention a tv lisence to americans there like wtf is that?. labours no better than any other party if you ask me its time for a revamp of all partys out with the old and in with the new cos its just same old same old.

I agree but you are probably missing one thing there, most of those taxes you have mentioned are local taxes and seeing at something like 70% of all local authorities are conservative run, it is highly unlikeley that Gordon Brown (formally known as Captain Charismatic ) or the labour government was responsible for them (Congestion charges, speed camera's, parking etc), in fact, for the last 3 years, the government has tried to "cap" local authority charges because they say they recognise that charges are spirralin out of countrol, personally I think it's more them trying to restrain conservative led local authorities!

 

[SK-1]

LOL^ On this thread spam..

 

[Tatty_Two]

I have wondered for a while, if these candidates are so confident in their own abilities, so confident that their policies will improve the lot of the average American, why do they every election have to focus so much time in destroying the reputation of their opponent with dirty deals campaigns that quite often are just full of lies and deceit.......do they not realise that they are actually doing their citizens a huge diservice by doing this?.....granted, it happens everywhere but rarely to the extent it does in the US.

What I have noticed here interestingly, and I may be wrong, but as a "bystander" it would appear that so many Americans seem to be so set in their ways politically, many will vote Republican even if Republicans have performed crap and the same applies to Democrats, I do not tie my vote to one party, I vote for whoever I feel will be best for me, my family and the countries stability, I listen carefully to all arguments, totally ignoring the sh*t digging they do and come to my own decision.....sometimes I get it wrong but at least it's my decision, I have not voted for the same party twice in a row at an election for nearly 20 years! and the last time I did was to try and vote Thatcher out of power, not because I am not a conservative but because this country was on the brink of collapse after 8 years of her premiership, her "sell by" date had ellapsed 6 years after her election, those first 6 years were very good, but she faded badly at the end

 

[SK-1]

I have wondered for a while, if these candidates are so confident in their own abilities, so confident that their policies will improve the lot of the average American, why do they every election have to focus so much time in destroying the reputation of their opponent with dirty deals campaigns that quite often are just full of lies and deceit.......do they not realize that they are actually doing their citizens a huge diservice by doing this?.....granted, it happens everywhere but rarely to the extent it does in the US.

What I have noticed here interestingly, and I may be wrong, but as a "bystander" it would appear that so many Americans seem to be so set in their ways politically, many will vote Republican even if Republicans have performed crap and the same applies to Democrats, I do not tie my vote to one party, I vote for whoever I feel will be best for me, my family and the countries stability, I listen carefully to all arguments, totally ignoring the sh*t digging they do and come to my own decision.....sometimes I get it wrong but at least it's my decision, I have not voted for the same party twice in a row at an election for nearly 20 years! and the last time I did was to try and vote Thatcher out of power, not because I am not a conservative but because this country was on the brink of collapse after 8 years of her premiership, her "sell by" date had elapsed 6 years after her election, those first 6 years were very good, but she faded badly at the end

1. Unfortunately, dirty politics seem to sway the vote.
2. You took an intelligent approach to your decision making. Most people do not, they react on emotion,looks and political attack ads.
3. Some say cross-party voting is like 2 people in the same canoe paddling in opposite directions.

I cross party vote for local, state and federal. Call me a bad canoeist I guess

 

[Rammsteiner]

What do you mean your post made zero sense. and reading your posts is anything but understandable.

Watch it, English might not be my native language, it's not needed to mess with that. It's pretty much understandable to be honest.

That indeed would have been good... wasn't it a muslim terrorist who killed him? By the way, I'm 1/2 dutch by nationality. My grandmother was first generation born here on my fathers side. The other half of me is Irish Catholic.... makes for some fun family reunions!

No, it wasnt a muslim terrorist It was some nutcase caring about environment and animals and somehow Pim Fortuijn was a big threat for his ideas. Pretty much one of the most dangerous activists actually.

The only thing you europeans have against bush is the whole iraq thing, and I don't think anyone has the whole story...... or ever will.... Thatcher all the way!

Well I cant really say for all Europians. What Ive against Bush? His arrogance. And yes, his arrogant attitude has to do with Iraq as well. But as well how he basicly got in the office and his ignorance. On the other side, that arrogant attitude from at least USA government has been there for a longer time than Bush is president, but Bush is taking the piss. He actually tipped the ice cream for ruining USA's status towards the world.

McCains policies call for a reduction over the next 5 years or so of over 600 billion dollars (as another previously posted here...). Over the same time, Obama would RAISE them by nearly 800billion, while adding 1Trillion in socialist programs... So, there is nearly 1.5 TRILLION dollar difference in their policies.... just from the TAX perspective...

I think you missed my point, I was talking about the current things that's from your exact same idealogie called stealing. This stealing will just continue if McCain becomes president. What Obama's views on this are, I dont know but since he's a more social he might want to change it. But with McCain you know for sure he wont change it.

What does it add? The ability for you to do whatever you wish, for your self and your family. The ability, if you choose, to FREELY GIVE as much of that money as you like to any charity, cause, or endeavor that you choose. High taxation is a key reason that PRIVATE CHARITY donations are down, around the world...

Heh, if I had 10M Euro and my country was in a shithole I'd prefer to pay more taxes over giving to any retarded charity. Also with 20K Euro/year you can do very nice things really, it just depends on how you spend it. If you're arrogant enough to buy the best quality meat and stuff just because you can buy it, yeah, then 20K Euro/year is worth fuck all. If you just behave normal and dont go nuts with money there's no problem and you can do most things you want.

But they do, and the politicians hear them, and say "hmmm, look 10% of the people feel that way, and if I take some money from this 1% over here they might not notice, and those 10% will vote for me!"

I know they do it, I said I think it's wrong. Still that 10% does consist out of lazy-men, but also people who simply have very bad luck, or something happened they didnt chose for. Still I wouldnt care about them, but tax is tax and it has to be paid anyway, be it to play little soldier somewhere around the globe or to help certain people a bit.

Here in the USA over 90% of the people living in "poverty" have big screen televisions, cellphones, and cars... some even own houses! How is that poverty? Because the government says so, and they're on the dole.

Welcome to this century, this has been going on for ages and it's crap. Also keep in mind, that's why quite a few people in USA are fucked up now, is that having cellphones, cars, houses etc does not reflect your financial status. There are LOADS of people getting new loans to pay for their holiday or their new car. So they might as well be poor, although be it by their very own fault.

That is not at all why it's "forbidden". it's forbidden because someone chooses to enforce THEIR particular morality on someone else... Drugs don't harm "others" any more than beer does, unless you mean the "harm" they cause to a nationalized health system by draining away funds that could be used to treat a grandmother with cancer....

But so could beer.

Not true at all, but when you give a group the power to vote themselves largess from the public purse, you're setting everything up for failure... There is no such thing as GOVERNMENT MONEY... The government has to go and TAKE IT from others...

You're missing another point, in Brave New World you wouldnt care. No one would care about anything.

it's not the party but the philosophise that make the man a socialist.

Damn! That's what Im saying, HE'S NOT A SOCIALIST. A socialist wouldnt even be able to come NEAR eventual potential presidency in the USA for at least 10 other millenia Someone caring about everyone in the USA does not mean he's a socialist, whether he raises taxes on a scale of income or not. It has a socialist touch, nothing more than that. If you go that way, why dont you call him Stalin anyway. Then we call Bush Hitler, then we've a nice politician history for USA

there is a lot more to this ACORN stuff than the general media are letting hit the air...
And, well, you see, Palin and her religious upbringing don't scare me one whit... because the socialist left are also friends of the atheists, and have therefore been STRONG SUPPORTERS of the separation of church and state. in fact, it seems some times that it's the only part of the constitution that they stand on!

But... Palin isnt a socialist in the first place? At least to me it's clearly conservatist/nationalist. So... please explain it a bit better because it's not making a lot of sense to me, who's with the atheists now exactly.

I love how people say Palin's church is extreme, but forget about Obama's church...

oops

But Obama doesnt have those farts saying 'God Bless America', 'God will save us' etc etc. He just shuts up mostly. Well, as far as we see it on the news. But since I didnt hear him calling God once and Palin about only calling God it's pretty much clear for me already.

wow again, what ,hum you don't know what you don't know

I already told you so, no need to repeat that unless it boosts your selflearning.

I didn't forget here is Obamas church in action

Rev Michael Pfleger, Hillary thinks "I'm white I'm entitled"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8&feature=related

Regarding Rev Wright and Barracks relationship with him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOg30WioxQs Chris Wallace is one of the most respected news anchors in the US

what a roll model http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovO8hFt8-c8

Errr...

What's wrong with the first link? I dont see much wrong there but well.

Second link = FOX, the second I saw 'FOX' I closed it already

Third link is with a title 'Racist Friends, Stupid Wife, Anti-American Pastor = Bad for America'. Now how exactly unbiased is this? I mean, how can people even blame people for racism if there's racism in your own laws, if USA is one of the most worst case scenarios of racism? What's wrong with an Anti-American Pastor? That's very arrogant because the bible is NOT about USA, USA is not the land from God/Jezus/nutcase. Although I wouldnt even want to be found dead in a church, still that pastor is doing his pastor things. If he thinks that America is in fight with what the bible says he's right. I never read the bible but one of the 'rules' is to respect everyone. Now USA already epicly failed at showing respect to say it nicely. Now please come with some less biased links or just leave it if you cant at least try and see both sides from a neutral pov.

 

[WhiteLotus]

Watch it, English might not be my native language, it's not needed to mess with that. It's pretty much understandable to be honest.


No, it wasnt a muslim terrorist It was some nutcase caring about environment and animals and somehow Pim Fortuijn was a big threat for his ideas. Pretty much one of the most dangerous activists actually.


Well I cant really say for all Europians. What Ive against Bush? His arrogance. And yes, his arrogant attitude has to do with Iraq as well. But as well how he basicly got in the office and his ignorance. On the other side, that arrogant attitude from at least USA government has been there for a longer time than Bush is president, but Bush is taking the piss. He actually tipped the ice cream for ruining USA's status towards the world.


I think you missed my point, I was talking about the current things that's from your exact same idealogie called stealing. This stealing will just continue if McCain becomes president. What Obama's views on this are, I dont know but since he's a more social he might want to change it. But with McCain you know for sure he wont change it.



Heh, if I had 10M Euro and my country was in a shithole I'd prefer to pay more taxes over giving to any retarded charity. Also with 20K Euro/year you can do very nice things really, it just depends on how you spend it. If you're arrogant enough to buy the best quality meat and stuff just because you can buy it, yeah, then 20K Euro/year is worth fuck all. If you just behave normal and dont go nuts with money there's no problem and you can do most things you want.


I know they do it, I said I think it's wrong. Still that 10% does consist out of lazy-men, but also people who simply have very bad luck, or something happened they didnt chose for. Still I wouldnt care about them, but tax is tax and it has to be paid anyway, be it to play little soldier somewhere around the globe or to help certain people a bit.


Welcome to this century, this has been going on for ages and it's crap. Also keep in mind, that's why quite a few people in USA are fucked up now, is that having cellphones, cars, houses etc does not reflect your financial status. There are LOADS of people getting new loans to pay for their holiday or their new car. So they might as well be poor, although be it by their very own fault.


But so could beer.


You're missing another point, in Brave New World you wouldnt care. No one would care about anything.


Damn! That's what Im saying, HE'S NOT A SOCIALIST. A socialist wouldnt even be able to come NEAR eventual potential presidency in the USA for at least 10 other millenia Someone caring about everyone in the USA does not mean he's a socialist, whether he raises taxes on a scale of income or not. It has a socialist touch, nothing more than that. If you go that way, why dont you call him Stalin anyway. Then we call Bush Hitler, then we've a nice politician history for USA



But... Palin isnt a socialist in the first place? At least to me it's clearly conservatist/nationalist. So... please explain it a bit better because it's not making a lot of sense to me, who's with the atheists now exactly.


But Obama doesnt have those farts saying 'God Bless America', 'God will save us' etc etc. He just shuts up mostly. Well, as far as we see it on the news. But since I didnt hear him calling God once and Palin about only calling God it's pretty much clear for me already.


I already told you so, no need to repeat that unless it boosts your selflearning.


Errr...

What's wrong with the first link? I dont see much wrong there but well.

Second link = FOX, the second I saw 'FOX' I closed it already

Third link is with a title 'Racist Friends, Stupid Wife, Anti-American Pastor = Bad for America'. Now how exactly unbiased is this? I mean, how can people even blame people for racism if there's racism in your own laws, if USA is one of the most worst case scenarios of racism? What's wrong with an Anti-American Pastor? That's very arrogant because the bible is NOT about USA, USA is not the land from God/Jezus/nutcase. Although I wouldnt even want to be found dead in a church, still that pastor is doing his pastor things. If he thinks that America is in fight with what the bible says he's right. I never read the bible but one of the 'rules' is to respect everyone. Now USA already epicly failed at showing respect to say it nicely. Now please come with some less biased links or just leave it if you cant at least try and see both sides from a neutral pov.

agreed on all counts - every single one.

 

[Nitro-Max]

When it comes to uk economy all ive heard brown say for the past 2 weeks is "what ever it takes" but aint heard no plans or seen any action yesturday was the worst downfall so far Royal Bank of Scotland fell 17%, HBOS dropped 14%, Lloyds TSB was down 11% and Barclays fell 5%. action is needed not cheesy catch phrases.

 

[Bigjohn]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm


Woooooooooooooooot

More OBAMA voter fraud.

 

[Nitro-Max]

Mcain is defininatly coming across as desperate now hes loosing the fight and trying him best to damage Obama's good reputation but Obama seems so relaxed mcains the one thats sweating. "May The Best Man Win"

 

[Tatty_Two]

When it comes to uk economy all ive heard brown say for the past 2 weeks is "what ever it takes" but aint heard no plans or seen any action yesturday was the worst downfall so far Royal Bank of Scotland fell 17%, HBOS dropped 14%, Lloyds TSB was down 11% and Barclays fell 5%. action is needed not cheesy catch phrases.

But do you realise just how much of "our" money he and the Bank of England has loaned in the last 2 weeks to try and encourage lending and therefore in our case, stability......about £120 Billion.....it will get worse before it gets better, fundamentally, our problems are very different to the US, without over simplifying it (which I will), their problem is with debt, our problem is with credit.....amongst many others of course but the benchmark for success or failure for Brown (which will make or break him) is in 18 months time, it takes that long for the US economy to fully knutkick ours, if we ride that wave and things dont get worse he has done OK, if not, he is definatly a gonner!

 

[Bigjohn]

Ramsteiner -
I didnt' post the links to Youtube..., as you've quoted me in your post... nope.

What I said, or was trying to say, about Sarah Palin, is that BECAUSE the political left in this country have, for the past 50 year, stood FIRMLY on the principal of Separation of Church and State - Because of that ONE THING, that one principle in the Constitution that they choose to support, we have nothing to fear from a politician's politics (unless and until it benefits the Democrats / socialist left).

As to Obama being Socialist, well, it's all a matter (as I've said) of what you're measuring it against. If you're measuring it against the current state of Europe, well then Obama might just be a bit left of center politically.

But when measured against the Constitution of the United States, he's a bleeding Marxist.

 

[Bigjohn]

Mcain is defininatly coming across as desperate now hes loosing the fight and trying him best to damage Obama's good reputation but Obama seems so relaxed mcains the one thats sweating. "May The Best Man Win"

Obama would have to have a good reputation for it to be damaged.

Obama's true image is being polished and hidden from the public by a complacent media.:shadedshu

 

[mdm-adph]

Obama's true image is being polished and hidden from the public by a complacent media.:shadedshu

You mean that he's actually anti-American, muslim, who was sworn in on the Koran, and who isn't an actual American citizen?

Please -- the only "hidden" side to Obama's nature is that he's a typical politician, who says one thing and quite often does another. (Like his voting to give telecom companies immunity after saying for months that he'd never do such a thing.)

Other than that, the man's a more decent person that probably 95% of people in Washington, D.C. His reputation, especially on scandals, looks pristine compared to most congress members.

 

[trt740]

Watch it, English might not be my native language, it's not needed to mess with that. It's pretty much understandable to be honest.


No, it wasnt a muslim terrorist It was some nutcase caring about environment and animals and somehow Pim Fortuijn was a big threat for his ideas. Pretty much one of the most dangerous activists actually.


Well I cant really say for all Europians. What Ive against Bush? His arrogance. And yes, his arrogant attitude has to do with Iraq as well. But as well how he basicly got in the office and his ignorance. On the other side, that arrogant attitude from at least USA government has been there for a longer time than Bush is president, but Bush is taking the piss. He actually tipped the ice cream for ruining USA's status towards the world.

I think you missed my point, I was talking about the current things that's from your exact same idealogie called stealing. This stealing will just continue if McCain becomes president. What Obama's views on this are, I dont know but since he's a more social he might want to change it. But with McCain you know for sure he wont change it.



Heh, if I had 10M Euro and my country was in a shithole I'd prefer to pay more taxes over giving to any retarded charity. Also with 20K Euro/year you can do very nice things really, it just depends on how you spend it. If you're arrogant enough to buy the best quality meat and stuff just because you can buy it, yeah, then 20K Euro/year is worth fuck all. If you just behave normal and dont go nuts with money there's no problem and you can do most things you want.


I know they do it, I said I think it's wrong. Still that 10% does consist out of lazy-men, but also people who simply have very bad luck, or something happened they didnt chose for. Still I wouldnt care about them, but tax is tax and it has to be paid anyway, be it to play little soldier somewhere around the globe or to help certain people a bit.


Welcome to this century, this has been going on for ages and it's crap. Also keep in mind, that's why quite a few people in USA are fucked up now, is that having cellphones, cars, houses etc does not reflect your financial status. There are LOADS of people getting new loans to pay for their holiday or their new car. So they might as well be poor, although be it by their very own fault.


But so could beer.


You're missing another point, in Brave New World you wouldnt care. No one would care about anything.


Damn! That's what Im saying, HE'S NOT A SOCIALIST. A socialist wouldnt even be able to come NEAR eventual potential presidency in the USA for at least 10 other millenia Someone caring about everyone in the USA does not mean he's a socialist, whether he raises taxes on a scale of income or not. It has a socialist touch, nothing more than that. If you go that way, why dont you call him Stalin anyway. Then we call Bush Hitler, then we've a nice politician history for USA



But... Palin isnt a socialist in the first place? At least to me it's clearly conservatist/nationalist. So... please explain it a bit better because it's not making a lot of sense to me, who's with the atheists now exactly.


But Obama doesnt have those farts saying 'God Bless America', 'God will save us' etc etc. He just shuts up mostly. Well, as far as we see it on the news. But since I didnt hear him calling God once and Palin about only calling God it's pretty much clear for me already.


I already told you so, no need to repeat that unless it boosts your selflearning.


Errr...

What's wrong with the first link? I dont see much wrong there but well.

Second link = FOX, the second I saw 'FOX' I closed it already

Third link is with a title 'Racist Friends, Stupid Wife, Anti-American Pastor = Bad for America'. Now how exactly unbiased is this? I mean, how can people even blame people for racism if there's racism in your own laws, if USA is one of the most worst case scenarios of racism? What's wrong with an Anti-American Pastor? That's very arrogant because the bible is NOT about USA, USA is not the land from God/Jezus/nutcase. Although I wouldnt even want to be found dead in a church, still that pastor is doing his pastor things. If he thinks that America is in fight with what the bible says he's right. I never read the bible but one of the 'rules' is to respect everyone. Now USA already epicly failed at showing respect to say it nicely. Now please come with some less biased links or just leave it if you cant at least try and see both sides from a neutral pov.

It not your english skills it's your logic which makes zero sense. You can get offended if you like how would I know english is not your first language since you did not post where you are from in your profile and no need to make any points at all because your doing a fine job making yourself look foolish and intolerant.

Third link is with a title 'Racist Friends, Stupid Wife, Anti-American Pastor = Bad for America'. Now how exactly unbiased is this? I mean, how can people even blame people for racism if there's racism in your own laws, if USA is one of the most worst case scenarios of racism? What's wrong with an Anti-American Pastor? That's very arrogant because the bible is NOT about USA, USA is not the land from God/Jezus/nutcase. Although I wouldnt even want to be found dead in a church, still that pastor is doing his pastor things. If he thinks that America is in fight with what the bible says he's right. I never read the bible but one of the 'rules' is to respect everyone. Now USA already epicly failed at showing respect to say it nicely. Now please come with some less biased links or just leave it if you cant at least try and see both sides from a neutral pov.


that part of your post is really ridiculous and it appears you know very little about the USA because it is by far the most tolerant country on earth politically racially and religiously.

and to say whats wrong with the pastor of a potential president of the USA being anti American? figure that one out yourself. Are you for real?

 

[Bigjohn]

You mean that he's actually anti-American, muslim, who was sworn in on the Koran, and who isn't an actual American citizen?

No, never said any such thing.... or even inferred it.

Please -- the only "hidden" side to Obama's nature is that he's a typical politician, who says one thing and quite often does another. (Like his voting to give telecom companies immunity after saying for months that he'd never do such a thing.)

a very anti-libertarian thing to do <grin>, but then on key votes he either votes "present" or with his party 97% of the time... now THAT's Change you can Believe in! <NOT!>

Other than that, the man's a more decent person that probably 95% of people in Washington, D.C. His reputation, especially on scandals, looks pristine compared to most congress members.

Sorry, William Ayres was a terrorist (unrepentant at that) for 30 years when Barry Obama decided to pal around with him (and work on a board of directors together, and get together for fundraisers at his house, etc.). Says something about the man, don't it? it says he'll do whatever is politically expedient...

He sat in a church with a preacher preaching anti-american racist ideals for 20 years... he made the choice, but the mainstream media ignores it, sweeps it under the rug, etc...

 

[mdm-adph]

No, never said any such thing.... or even inferred it.

a very anti-libertarian thing to do <grin>, but then on key votes he either votes "present" or with his party 97% of the time... now THAT's Change you can Believe in! <NOT!>

Sorry, William Ayres was a terrorist (unrepentant at that) for 30 years when Barry Obama decided to pal around with him (and work on a board of directors together, and get together for fundraisers at his house, etc.). Says something about the man, don't it? it says he'll do whatever is politically expedient...

He sat in a church with a preacher preaching anti-american racist ideals for 20 years... he made the choice, but the mainstream media ignores it, sweeps it under the rug, etc...

1) You imply. I infer. And just because you haven't implied it, many anti-Obamaists (I just invented that word) have.

2) Usually Obama's supporters don't mean "change" as in "change from his party" but "change from the Republicans," which he definitely is, at least in most stuff.

3) Please give some evidence (non Fox News) about the William Ayres==Obama link. But you really don't want to start talking about people chumming around with terrorists, now do we?

 

[trt740]

1) You imply. I infer. And just because you haven't implied it, many anti-Obamaists (I just invented that word) have.

2) Usually Obama's supporters don't mean "change" as in "change from his party" but "change from the Republicans," which he definitely is, at least in most stuff.

3) Please give some evidence (non Fox News) about the William Ayres==Obama link. But you really don't want to start talking about people chumming around with terrorists, now do we?

The king of Saudi Arabia is a terrorist? did he bomb over 20 military bases including the USA capital building and attempt to kill several police officers as William Aryes did. Also he happenes to be the leader of a country. What country do you reside in? Also last time I checked G.W was not running for president and I believe Obama has met with the king himself about a month ago on his trip to the MID east when he met with the former leaders of the PLO and Hamas in the west bank.

 

[mdm-adph]

The king of Saudi Arabia is a terrorist? did he bomb over 20 military bases including the USA capital building and attempt to kill several police officers as William Aryes did. Also he happenes to be the leader of a country. What country do you reside in?

The King of Saudi Arabia is leader of a country full of terrorists, not to mention he himself is a dictator. The fact that he's leader of a country doesn't make him a good person.

And ever heard of Wahhabism? That's the ideology that spawned 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, right? Yeah, it's officially sponsored by the Saudi Arabian government, last I checked.

 

[trt740]

The King of Saudi Arabia is leader of a country full of terrorists, not to mention he himself is a dictator. The fact that he's leader of a country doesn't make him a good person.

And ever heard of Wahhabism? That's the ideology that spawned 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, right? Yeah, it's officially sponsored by the Saudi Arabian government, last I checked.

Since I was a police officer I think I might know a bit more than you do about this topic and that topic is much more complexed than your making it. Also as far as I know hes been killing the terrorist in his country for several years and trying to wipe out extremeist. I don't think Osama Bin ladin is a friend of his sinces hes tried to kill him several times in overthrow attempts. Wahhabism I 'm very familar with what it is and since Obama attended a Madrasah as a child it kinda makes you wonder how he feels about it.

 

[mdm-adph]

Since I was a police officer I think I might know a bit more than you do about this topic and that topic is much more complexed than your making it. Also as far as I know hes been killing the terrorist in his country for several years and trying to wipe out extremeist. I don't think Osama Bin ladin is a friend of his sinces hes tried to kill him several times in overthrow attempts. Wahhabism I 'm very familar with what it is and since Obama attended a Madrasah as a child it kinda makes you wonder how he feels about it.

Yes, because you're a police officer (in America, I presume) you definitely know more about geo-political matters than I do. Give me a farkin' break. (Ever shot yourself in the foot?)

And regardless of whatever the King tells the outside world he's doing to fight terrorism, the bloody Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Saudi Arabia) (lets call them the militant arm of Wahhabism) is still alive and well and government controlled.

And Obama attended a Madrasah? Well, I attended a fundamentalist Baptist school, yet I don't go around trying to proselytize heathens, and, unlike muslims, I'm pretty sure Obama eats pork chops.

 

[trt740]

Yes, because you're a police officer (in America, I presume) you definitely know more about geo-political matters than I do. Give me a farkin' break. (Ever shot yourself in the foot?)

And regardless of whatever the King tells the outside world he's doing to fight terrorism, the bloody Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Saudi Arabia) (lets call them the militant arm of Wahhabism) is still alive and well and government controlled.

And Obama attended a Madrasah? Well, I attended a fundamentalist Baptist school, yet I don't go around trying to proselytize heathens, and, unlike muslims, I'm pretty sure Obama eats pork chops.

Well who knows where you live and or what your back ground happens to be. I would say I would know alot more about this than you do and as for the shooting in the foot what nonsense is that. You can annonmously make statements about topic because you won't say were you reside and since the Police Department I worked for was on the cover of Life Magaizine as the number one Major Police Depatment in the world, I think I'm qualified to address this topic. Trying to be insulting just because you can is very unattractive, try to stick to facts and leave the personal attacks out of this. Besides the UK I believe law enforcement is the USA is the best there is . I'm not even sure why I just responded to that nonsense.