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Who'll be the better president?

Discussion in 'TPU Frontpage Polls' started by W1zzard, Oct 1, 2008.

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Who'll be the better president?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2008.
  1. Barack Obama

    1,290 vote(s)
    57.9%
  2. John McCain

    333 vote(s)
    14.9%
  3. But I want George W. Bush

    177 vote(s)
    7.9%
  4. Don't care

    429 vote(s)
    19.2%
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  1. Tatty_One

    Tatty_One Senior Moderator Staff Member

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    It's actually called "Foreign Policy".....diplomacy is much cheaper than war, and if your good at it..... it actually sometimes works! Sometimes a little pressure in the right place, a little influence from the wrong place, a little squeezing in his nutz place and you get what you want, without spending Billions trying to force it, and sadly, 8 times out of 10 failing.
     
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  2. farlex85

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    I'm well aware. Perhaps it wouldn't fail 8 out of the 10 times if there was more peaceful talks than "nutz squeezing" as you say. Squeeze a guy's nutz enough and he'll hate your for it, and take whatever shot at you he can down the road. I'm not saying peaceful diplomacy is always possible, but rejecting the notion of even trying is foolish at best.
     
  3. Tatty_One

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    Yeah, my point was....your point was right! Nutz always get squeezed in Diplomacy (I worked at a British Embassy in the middle east for 4 years) but as you have said, it's how tightly you squeeze them that determines the outcome! :eek:
     
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    Or, not to get too indecent, how well they are stroked. I myself tend to respond more favorably to stroking, but hey, everybody's different..... (that was on topic I swear):D
     
  5. DaedalusHelios

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    This is really one sided. I was insulted constantly by trt740 and two others many pages back yet no infractions. Then trt740 insulted Tatty_One thoroughly. And now since trt740 is now being insulted you are putting your foot down. This is kinda strange.

    I am working for Obama's campaign right now. trt740 is insulting Obama constantly. Thats my profession until after the election is over. ;) If its about professions and all.

    I am not attacking you. I am trying to show you how it looks to many following this thread.
     
  6. Polaris573

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    It is absolutely unacceptable to discuss this further in this thread. If you have a problem with the way things are being handled you need to send a PM or create a new thread in comments and feedback. These are your only two options, further off topic discussion will result in infractions. You were already asked once before to discontinue this line of discussion, you failed to comply this is your final warning.
     
  7. Odin Eidolon

    Odin Eidolon New Member

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    yep... me too.

    its quite hard to continue posting on this thread LOL. i went to school and when i was back i had to read 6 pages very carefully, so i only had the time to thank those i agree with. Sorry :D
     
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  8. TUngsten

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    I don't think that Rev. Wright is anywhere near as offensive as David Duke, but I certainly think some of the things he's said are questionable. You've got to remember though - what we've seen of his sermons are extremely small (albeit inflammatory) snippets carefully selected to create the political fallout you're using as ammunition vs. Obama.

    David Duke formed the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and National Association for the Advancement of White People...I could go on and on but you know he's a nutcase too so I won't bother :laugh:
     
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  9. Odin Eidolon

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    8% of the people voted "But I want George W. Bush" (hope they were joking). Anyhow, i didnt see any post in this thread made by someone that could have voted that way. I could be wrong of course, tell me please. I'd like those people to tell me why they voted that, and what they think aboutlast 8 years. Thanks
     
  10. DaedalusHelios

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    Reverend Wright has only been crazy recently. Oprah and Obama used to watch his sermons on the regular back when he never said anything about white people and was just speaking about the advancement of blacks in the US. Obama and Oprah both stopped going when he started to have sermons that went off the path of equality and into insanity. Then Obama cut off all ties from him, months later when the press played it 24/7 on Fox News for weeks in the US. I am not joking. It was the majority of their coverage for weeks showing once again that they are just a puppet of the republicans.
     
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    I don't disagree with you one bit Daedalus. I can't speculate one bit on what he said the 30 years prior to the comments that were used as political ammunition vs. Obama, because I haven't seen recordings of them, and I was not there.

    However, judging by his list of honorary Doctoral Degrees and publications, I'd tend to think that he's not the anti-white, anti-american extremist the republican right wing would paint him as. :shadedshu but nonetheless, he's definitely said some crazy stuff recently. Hell, he's an old dude! Let's chalk it up to senility! :roll:

    I'm not aware of any racist publications he's written, as opposed to Duke.
     
  12. Tatty_One

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    I appreciate your point and thank you genuinly, but Trt and I go back a long way and he was kidding with me regarding that comment..... but I am not attempting to dilute any of your other comments....thanks! :toast:
     
  13. DaMulta

    DaMulta My stars went supernova

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    Everyone should elect me as President of the United States.


    I see no need to have any bases around the world.

    I would bring everyone home, from every country. If we wanted to trade with you we would go by your rules. If you start to kill everyone around your country we will nuke your country off the planet.

    Then I would start a Military Space program. All wars from us would come from space. If we didn't like what you were doing we would just bomb you. We would set a military base on the moon to conduct watches on the rest of the world, and Military satellites that could shoot down any thing in the sky.

    The Military Space program would share all programs that would help with space flight.


    For America to go green every highway in America would be converted into solar panels. Then sell those parts off to private electric company's to maintain them. All roofs of all new houses would be required to be solar panels, everyone else in America would get a tax write off for having them installed guaranteed for 10 years.

    All cars made 5 years from now must only be in electrical design.

    Then I would release everyone from jail for non violent crimes on drugs and pardon everyone. If it was added to another crime, your time would be cut for the other reasons. I would then tell all the police and states of America that I would pardon everyone they arrested for it, and would ask congress to pass a bill letting people do what they want with them selfs. All non violent crimes would then be turned down to 5 years max.

    We would save billions.

    I would then take all that money and place it into the school systems. After graduation, all students would have to go work with the Military for 2 years without pay(given 5 grand when they finished) in no war zones, the united states would provide them with what ever they needed. Then They would be set lose to go to college, go to work, or join the military.


    A illegal immigrant caught inside the united states would be forced to join the united states military for 4 years, and then given a choice to stay in the military or go to school. All kids with them would live on base with them and go to military schools for there time there.





    lol just joking, or am I ......lol
     
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    politics sure brings out the best in people...
     
  15. DaedalusHelios

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    Before Jerry Falwell died(May 15, 2007), McCain became his friend, sat in on many sermons, and then recieved Falwells endorsement. McCain had called Falwell a racist many years ago. What changed McCain's mind?

    Falwell's Liberty University isn't very far from where I live in North Carolina.

    Falwell said many disturbing things. I am sure you guys remember some of them.

    He blamed gays, feminists, pagans and abortionists for the September 11 attacks. Saying it was God's plan for punishing the US for having them around.

    He also referred to Civil Rights as "Civil Wrongs" and stated that civil rights were just radical liberal views. Which they were considered that at the time.

    PS. Yes, you can hate us liberals for giving everyone Civil Rights. I would guard civil rights with my life as many others have in the past.
     
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    Come on now we are both Americans ( assume your are) and you think I want to take away civil right be fair here. liberals are generally good people trying to help, like the ladys at my church who drive to the drug infested neborhoods to help homeless people and give them money for food and they spend it on drugs. They are well intended but tend to have a pie in the sky view of the world that is not based in reality ( i realize this is a generalization). John Mccain spent 5 years in prison after giving an oath to defend you and your civil rights think about that.

    Having said that, If you guys think I'm a John Mccain guy your wrong and I really don't care for his politics because he really is a Democrat and something else ( he flip flops alot), but no other person could say and do the things Obama has done and associated with the criminals he has, and have as little experience as he has, and even be considered to ever be president. I also want to say If Bill Clinton were able to run, even though hes a Democrat, I would take him over Mccain, for that matter I would take Biden over Mccain or Hillary Clinton over Mccain. They all have better politics and are more capable leaders than Mccain but they are not running Obama and Mccain are and Mccains the lesser of the two evils. How this happened I can not say but it is a mess. P.S I actually did guard your civil rights and friends of mine were killed doing the same and I was injured protecting and serving them aswell.
     
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    John McCain lately has been all republican and honestly I'm not OK with that after 2 administrations of bush. At first there was no question from me that I wanted him to win. But amazingly in my eyes, I have to vote for Obama (something I still am uneasy about)... The VP pick on McCains part alone can turn me away though. And some well placed Shakespeare does the trick too, lol (If you don't understand, I watched a brief clip of the Colbert report and a guest talked about how Shakespeare always put the message out there that Military heroes almost never make good leaders, and Colbert's response, like always, just made me laugh).
     
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    I agree with you on the Biden issue. Nonetheless, I don't think a reasonable person can say Obama is any more guilty of associating with criminals than McCain is. Obama and Ayers would undoubtedly cross paths in Chicago as advocates for education reform.

    It's a cop-out to try and pin associations and innuendos on people who might have been "associated" with the same educational, political, and civic projects, when there's absolutely no evidence or reason to believe there's anything illegal or improper about what they were doing. There is no story there beyond an attempt to smear by association. It's pretty damn weak, and your comment parrots the rightwing webcrud dujour.
     
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    My grandfather could be considered a war hero too. He was head of a covert hit squad behind enemy lines two days before D-day. He is knighted as well. He is a democrat, and was for Civil Rights back when blacks didn't have them yet. He wrote an autobiography many years ago. It doesn't mean my grandfather would make a good president though. He understands the class warfare that has been going on in America since before the Great Depression since he was alive then.

    Obama does not associate with criminals. I have yet to find any reliable source connecting Obama to ACORN despite his very strong connection to non-profit work in Chicago as a community organizer. He has been helping poor whites and blacks in Chicago for years. If thats the connection to criminals you are making, its a bit unorthodox.
     
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    He's just referring to Bill Ayers from what I can gather, but I don't know what other criminals he means. Maybe inner-city Chicago single mothers?
     
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    no there are others in Acorn and a several real estate fraud criminal in the chicago area hes linked to. No matter hes gonna win anyways and who knows maybe he will prove me wrong. If hes does and I hope he does, then I will eat crow no problem. Since I'm the lightning rod here (weather good or bad) I'm am now gonna let someone else step up for a while and make this case maybe thing will calm down a bit. Just remember to vote either way.
     
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    Don't you realize its just smear tactics. They cannot debate policy to try to get people against him because his policies benefit everyone except the top 10% as far as wealth.


    Many have suggested changing the AMT and lifting the payroll tax cutoff so they are no longer exempt beyond a certain amount. Warren Buffet is ok with it. :toast:
     
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    Whilst the discussion revolving around the "slur" of both candidates is very relevant and quite interesting, as well as witnessing the very different perceptions of many here, might I ask, as a Brit that isnt that necessarily well informed 1st hand, if some people might highlight the political strengths and weakness of each if they were to be your "Commander in Chief" as opposed to their personal lives, I only ask because, party politics aside, I really would like to know, from a skills point of view, what they really do offer the American public.
     
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    Yeah, lately I saw them at a McDonalds the same time! Seriously! They must be conspiring!

    Sorry but I don't give one cent on all these rumors!
     
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    were they eating a Big Mac cain LOL could help it. :D Now I will stop.
     
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