Who'll be the better president?

[FudFighter]

yeah if anything we should just shoot all the poor, stupid, imperfect people, oh wait, that means at one point we would all endup being shot........well guess it would make the world a bit quieter

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I don't believe the NeoCons want the poor dead but I think they believe the poor should simply fend for themselves. Makes them "careless and reckless" but not murderers.

You let the poor get desperate enough and they will be at your doorstep, I promise you that. Its only logical to keep the poor surviving so they feel they have something to lose if they break the law. Otherwise its expected that they would break the law to survive. Its like cornering a wild animal. People do almost anything to survive if you make them desperate enough.

 

[Bigjohn]

This is the kind of wacko nut-job we have supporting Obama...

 

[Bigjohn]

I don't like unions but I don't see them as socialist. A key component of socialism is the statement Obama keeps making: "spread the wealth." Unions are simply third party leadership hierarchies because they feel the first party leadership does not adequately represent them.

Unions are legalized mobs who, through the force of their "gang" then intimidate employers into paying people more than their worth. If your skill set = "would you like fries with that", and a happy meal sells for $3.99, how on earth do you think you deserve 10$ an hour?? Same for those nutjob unions who've ruined the best autombile industry in the world up in detroit. No money to invest in technology or improvement, because the unions take it all.

unions protect workers from unreputable employeers is how I see it.

but alot of people see them as communist/socialist because the russians and such had unions

Unions existed way before soviet russia, and "union of soviet socialist republics" has nothing to do with the organized labor or trade unions.

I honestly don't think I'd have a problem supporting Ron Paul if Ron Paul wasn't against the Iraqi war. I don't like anyone that wants to leave any job half finished.

I agree. If you start something, finish it. Then leave. But I did vote for Ron Paul here in the georgia primary.

Unions most certainly are considered socialists in the UK, but is that a bad thing? No probably not.

Again, organized legal gangs are typically a bad thing.... and that is really what most unions are. Did you know that Obama supports a measure that REMOVES THE SECRET BALLOT from union organizing votes??

The FBI is in direct command of the president. Would the president say, "guys lets make sure you tell the truth to the press and expose somebody in the republican party for having anti-black supporters". Mission Accomplished??? Get real.

Oh god, daedalus... you are so full of Obama-Aide that you're drowing in it. It's simply and purely racist for BLACK PEOPLE to vote for obama FOR his color alone, and people are doing just that, by the THOUSANDS.

 

[mdm-adph]

You let the poor get desperate enough and they will be at your doorstep, I promise you that. Its only logical to keep the poor surviving so they feel they have something to lose if they break the law. Otherwise its expected that they would break the law to survive. Its like cornering a wild animal. People do almost anything to survive if you make them desperate enough.

Aye -- Ronald Reagan and the Republicans of that time understood this perfectly. That's why they increased the Earned Income Credit to such huge levels -- give the poor just enough where they don't have to work (and thus don't better themselves), but don't take them off the government teat completely, or they'll revolt.

It's amazing how their mindset has changed today -- all this talk of "Marxism" from McCain and Palin is amazing. They should look to those Republicans that have come before them, and continue with the particular socialism that they're so good at.

I agree. If you start something, finish it. Then leave. But I did vote for Ron Paul here in the georgia primary.

Ron Paul didn't start the war in Iraq, therefore he's got nothing to finish. It's not his job to fix it, and he's not "cutting and running" by suggesting the US leaves.

Oh god, daedalus... you are so full of Obama-Aide that you're drowing in it. It's simply and purely racist for BLACK PEOPLE to vote for obama FOR his color alone, and people are doing just that, by the THOUSANDS.

That is the worst deflection I've ever seen. You didn't even try to refute his point about the current Republican Administration being in control of the FBI, you just went off on a tangent about race. Perhaps you admit he has a point?

Seriously, you're slipping -- do you need a vacation?

 

[Bigjohn]

Um, he brought in the RACE thing.... Just like all the race baiting... "expose somebody in the republican party for having anti-black supporters""

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I find your lack of faith in American servicemen... disturbing.

I'd like to think that they'd stick through it to the end of their term, even if they had been lied to at the beginning. True heroes, you know?

I am saying they are there because they want to be. I know two people personally that signed up expecting to get shipped off to Iraq. The US military is 100% volunteer--if they don't like it they can be discharged. Their service is not mandatory.

Unions are legalized mobs who, through the force of their "gang" then intimidate employers into paying people more than their worth. If your skill set = "would you like fries with that", and a happy meal sells for $3.99, how on earth do you think you deserve 10$ an hour?? Same for those nutjob unions who've ruined the best autombile industry in the world up in detroit. No money to invest in technology or improvement, because the unions take it all.

Hate to break it to you but Detroit ruined itself. They haven't been making products that people want for the past 10 years. They're finally figuring out that doesn't work and are on the brink of death because of it.

The unions have little to do with it.

 

[FudFighter]

no no no, the unions and dem's and all those pinko commies!!!! (watch the new indiana jones movie......rofl)

btw BJ hate to tell you this but most union workers i know arent the "would you like frys with that" crowd, they are very limmited in their skill set to be sure, but they are good at the job they have.

Unions arent there to bully employers as you say, they started to defend/protect employees from nobility who would try and use their possition/rank insted of paying bills, this is still what they really do, they protect employees from employeers who would otherwise screw them over.

how much you all wana bet that BJ and his crowd also feel we need to abolish the minimum wadge because that would fix all the problems........

the people who insist that prices would fall to match the ammounts employeers where willing to pay their slaves.

 

[Bigjohn]

no no no, the unions and dem's and all those pinko commies!!!! (watch the new indiana jones movie......rofl)

btw BJ hate to tell you this but most union workers i know arent the "would you like frys with that" crowd, they are very limmited in their skill set to be sure, but they are good at the job they have.

Unions arent there to bully employers as you say, they started to defend/protect employees from nobility who would try and use their possition/rank insted of paying bills, this is still what they really do, they protect employees from employeers who would otherwise screw them over.

how much you all wana bet that BJ and his crowd also feel we need to abolish the minimum wadge because that would fix all the problems........

the people who insist that prices would fall to match the ammounts employeers where willing to pay their slaves.

I grew up in chicago in the 70's and 80's and watched the steel workers union nearly put the plant my dad worked at out of business.

If your only skill is bolting tires onto new cars, then, you don't deserve 22$ per hour...

 

[mdm-adph]

I grew up in chicago in the 70's and 80's and watched the steel workers union nearly put the plant my dad worked at out of business.

If your only skill is bolting tires onto new cars, then, you don't deserve 22$ per hour...

You know, I have no idea if you're lying or not, but even if true, your whole life sounds like one big anti-socialist talking points memo. Have you thought about making it into an email and passing it around?

Don't like paying $22 and hour? Then move your company overseas. Hell, I'm all for globalization -- if other countries' workers are willing to do the same work as an American for fractions of the cost, more power to them. But quit complaining about it.

 

[Bigjohn]

You know, I have no idea if you're lying or not, but even if true, your whole life sounds like one big anti-socialist talking points memo. Have you thought about making it into an email and passing it around?

Don't like paying $22 and hour? Then move your company overseas. Hell, I'm all for globalization -- if other countries' workers are willing to do the same work as an American for fractions of the cost, more power to them. But quit complaining about it.

Hence my comment that Unions are part of the cause of the death of detroit.
In Japan, a robot puts on the tires. In the US, the guy who sweeps the floor gets 20$/hr plus benefits...

 

[pepsi71ocean]

You know, I have no idea if you're lying or not, but even if true, your whole life sounds like one big anti-socialist talking points memo. Have you thought about making it into an email and passing it around?

Don't like paying $22 and hour? Then move your company overseas. Hell, I'm all for globalization -- if other countries' workers are willing to do the same work as an American for fractions of the cost, more power to them. But quit complaining about it.

This is the source of the problem. We have loop holes that were written int he 1960's that promoted globalism, the problem now is these very tax loop holes are destroying the Economy, and forcing Americans to subsidez the loos with increased taxes.


Also, one of my War Vet's sent this to me, and said to pass it around, and its about Obama, and McCain so i figured this would be a good place to put it.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Pepsi, thank you for this video posting.

 

[Bigjohn]

Yes, Pepsi. And please send my thanks for his sacrifice to that young man in the video, if you can.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

Pepsi, thank you for this video posting.

it was the right thing to do.

Yes, Pepsi. And please send my thanks for his sacrifice to that young man in the video, if you can.

I'll pass it back up the chain.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

What pisses me off is this is nothing new. Democrats (and some Independants/Republicans) are just that damn ignorant. Instead, they try to argue "support the troops" but boo the war. FFS! The TROOPS are the the WAR. Without troops, you haven't got a war!

 

[pepsi71ocean]

What pisses me off is this is nothing new. Democrats are just that damn ignorant. Instead, they try to argue "support the troops" but boo the war. FFS! The TROOPS are the the WAR. Without troops, you haven't got a war!

I know what you mean. I have friends over there, and ai have had one die already. and i totally turned me off to hear Hillary and Obama go back and fourth saying "I'll have the troops out in 45 days", and the other will say "I'll have them out in 30 days". All that does is show the ignorance that they have. I may not support how we got there, but damm i can't let my friend's death be in vain. he died there, and for what, so a Democratic president can say, "i'll have our troops out of there in 30 days". I supported Obama in the way beginning, before this 45,30 day crap. I do support some of Obama's values, but i can't stand, seeing my friend's death be in vein because some soccer mom's are crying because their son died in some foreign land so other people can have the right to freedom. And i must remind all, that we are a volunteer military, there is no draft, so he knew what could happen when he signed up. I have already shut one woman up at a bar once while i was having lunch, and everyone in the restaurant applauded when i was done, which was quite a surprise.

 

[FudFighter]

Hence my comment that Unions are part of the cause of the death of detroit.
In Japan, a robot puts on the tires. In the US, the guy who sweeps the floor gets 20$/hr plus benefits...

you ever been a janitor?

didnt think so, well if you ever did the job most janitors do you would understand why i call bullshit on your bitching about a janitor getting 20/hr.

I agree that some shouldnt, but for 4+years its what I did to support myself. i made 18-21/hr, and earned every penny, sure if all u do is mop u dont deserve it, but most janitors endup being part matnance, we also have to deal with being accused any time something goes missing from the office/company we work for because after all, blame the guy who you see as beeing below you in rank/social status is a time honoured tredition across the world.

we also spend alot of time fixing little things, for example a janitor at a public school dosnt just mop floors, he/she is a matnance person as well, small things that need fixed, get the janitor, somebody lock themselves in a locker(happened more then once at school events at the jr.high i worked at for a while) get the janitor.(yes this case the fool got HIMSELF locked in the locker both times trying to play a "jump out and scare you" gag........

I could go on and on, I am just glad I had a "union" backing me because more then a few times at buisnesses and schools somebody be it student,teacher or employee would jack something then try and make it look like the janitoral staff did it............

pepsi: thats typical bullshit video I see that only enflamed people who feel that if your against the war and call going to war in iraq a mistake you must hate/not respect the troops, its a load of hogshit, I respect the troops, I just feel that starting 2 wars at once and going into iraq under false pretences was a mistake.

Just as thinking bush is a MORON isnt treison/anti american.

What makes me laugh is the same people who will call you un-american and a traitor and on and on for not liking/respecing bush are the same ones who spent 8 years bitching about clinton because he was a tax and spend libral or getting a bj in office or anything else he did you didnt like(damn DMCA!!!!!)

I respect the office not the man, you can hate the person and still respect the office.

you can respect the troops, but not agree with the reasions/excuses/lies used to get the war started, oh and I have a buddy who just got out of the army after doing a total of 27-28months in iraq over his term of service, he would be willing to make a video to support obama simply because he after spending so much time there feels its time to get out, they enlarge DONT WANT US THERE.

the people 1 on 1 mostly are good people(as with most places in the world) be as a crowd/group they are anti american and you gotta watch it, you can endup dead due to mob mantality and public feeling that the us needs to get the fuck out and let them govern themselves.

heres my view, they need to pick themselves up and go, they have asked us to leave(the govt we setup) we should respect that and leave.

well go back to your knee jerk republican "if you dont support the war you dont respect the troops" bullshit I know you wont change your mind due to simple logic.......

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I have friends over there, and ai have had one die already.

I'm sorry for your loss.

I may not support how we got there, but damm i can't let my friend's death be in vain.

I see how we got there as a non-issue. What's done is done. The only thing we can do is try not to let it happen again. Why argue something that happened over five years ago that can't be changed? To do so is to argue for the sake of arguing.

...but i can't stand, seeing my friend's death be in vein because some soccer mom's are crying because their son died in some foreign land so other people can have the right to freedom.

I can almost guarantee that those "soccer mom's" never wanted their sons and daughters to join the military in the first place. They never accepted their sons and daughters decision to serve a greater cause and now are looking to blame anyone that will listen because of it. Yeah, they have a right to be angry but it shouldn't be at Americans no matter their position, it should be directed at the people that killed them (aka, the enemy). Just because the enemy managed a minor victory doesn't mean they won the war. The only way for them to win is for us to give into that pressure. It just baffles me how people actually want to give the enemy (the people with American blood on their hands) any reason to believe their gaining ground.

I have already shut one woman up at a bar once while i was having lunch, and everyone in the restaurant applauded when i was done, which was quite a surprise.

History tells us that the people that truly do "support the troops" are very quiet about it. They don't stand up and shout in rallies, they don't protest at all. They keep to themselves and only speak when someone else is out of line. The media never seeks out support for a war because there is no story there (at least they feel that way). They always find the people that are attempting to lie down in front of a motorcade and causing trouble. It's the little incidents like the one you encountered that keep this country strong. What the media covers only tears us apart.

...call going to war in iraq a mistake you must hate/not respect the troops, its a load of hogshit, I respect the troops, I just feel that starting 2 wars at once and going into iraq under false pretences was a mistake.

Tell me, how exactly is the way it started relevant today? Don't you think everyone and their dog now knows it was a mistake? Wars don't continue because of how they started, they continue because at least one side has long-term objectives in mind.

As stated above, to argue how the war started is to argue for the sake of arguing. It serves no practical purpose today.

 

[FudFighter]

its relivant to why people say the war in iraq was a mistake, the fact its a mistake dosnt change the fact we are there, never said it did.

about looing people and the pairnts not respecing the fact their kid mad the choice to join, alot of pairnets here arent upset about the kid joining but upset about how the recruiter tricked them into joining, assuring htem they wouldnt endup onthe front lines or in iraq, then they joined and where sent strait to iraq from basic.........

I feel army/military recruiters really should be made to answer for their lies, in some of these case that could be as much as being charged with a crime, they did get somebody to join on faulse pretendes and the person died because of it, if i did that i would be charged with a crime.

say i went and tricked some people into joining a group that did stupid dangrous shit under the guise of just being a hiking group or the like, then because of that somehow somebody died, i guarntee the cops here would figuar out a way to charge me with something for tricking people into something that got them killed/maimed.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

its relivant to why people say the war in iraq was a mistake

Who says it wasn't knowing what we know now? It is still irrelevant to our policy in regards to it today. To base decisions today on a decision over five years ago is fundamentally incorrect.

To prove that point, try playing a game of chess deciding your every move only knowing what you and your opponent did three plays ago. You're destined to lose if you play like that. We draw the same conclusion when applying the same concepts to Iraq. Our every move needs to be made based on the situation on the ground right now. What happend a week ago is irrelevant let alone years ago.

I feel army/military recruiters really should be made to answer for their lies, in some of these case that could be as much as being charged with a crime, they did get somebody to join on faulse pretendes and the person died because of it, if i did that i would be charged with a crime.

Recruiters have no way of knowing what will happen to the recruits. Those decisions aren't up to them. Anyone that serves has a chance of going there. That's the only known fact.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

pepsi: thats typical bullshit video I see that only enflamed people who feel that if your against the war and call going to war in iraq a mistake you must hate/not respect the troops, its a load of hogshit, I respect the troops, I just feel that starting 2 wars at once and going into iraq under false pretences was a mistake.

I don't support how we got into the War in Iraq. And in fact, i give Bush credit. I expected him to have the balls to start a draft back in 2001. We should have invaded with numbers, and said screw you to the UN, and to the rest of the world. If terrorist are in Syria, then invade Syria and take them out, and then go back over the Border. We should have gone into total war mode, and then just gone around destroying the terrorist in the Philippines, Afghanistan, and where ever else in the world.
We should have taken out Iran IMO, it may have taken longer to fall, but the Iranian people ages 14-30 support American ideals, and Economics, and are also the same group that hide this support, from the oppressive goverment as well.

I can almost guarantee that those "soccer mom's" never wanted their sons and daughters to join the military in the first place. They never accepted their sons and daughters decision to serve a greater cause and now are looking to blame anyone that will listen because of it. Yeah, they have a right to be angry but it shouldn't be at Americans no matter their position, it should be directed at the people that killed them (aka, the enemy). Just because the enemy managed a minor victory doesn't mean they won the war. The only way for them to win is for us to give into that pressure. It just baffles me how people actually want to give the enemy (the people with American blood on their hands) any reason to believe their gaining ground.
History tells us that the people that truly do "support the troops" are very quiet about it. They don't stand up and shout in rallies, they don't protest at all. They keep to themselves and only speak when someone else is out of line. The media never seeks out support for a war because there is no story there (at least they feel that way). They always find the people that are attempting to lie down in front of a motorcade and causing trouble. It's the little incidents like the one you encountered that keep this country strong. What the media covers only tears us apart.
Tell me, how exactly is the way it started relevant today?

Well, we should have gone in there with 1,000,000 combat troops. we should have never used Kuwait as a launch pad. We should have done Airborne, and beach invasions. And then with superior numbers over run the country and then put solders all along the border to help combat illegals from coming into he country.

I feel army/military recruiters really should be made to answer for their lies, in some of these case that could be as much as being charged with a crime, they did get somebody to join on faulse pretendes and the person died because of it, if i did that i would be charged with a crime.

Actually lol, i went to an Army and then a Marine Recruiter. The Marine Recruiter said that there is a really good chance that i will see action, and that if i wanted to i could guarantee trigger time. the Army Recruiter said it was more or less based on odds. And he defined odds as weather your unit would be called up to go or not.

Now i will always say this, marines are hard core, i come from a military family, and we have a history in the Marines. And the Marines go in to combat first, and the army guys just mopp up afterward. And besides in Vietnam it was the Marines who did all the ground work, while the draftee Army sat and protected your main fire bases in the south. In fact 3/4 Marines in Vietnam saw combat, while 2/10 Army draftees saw combat during their tour of duty. And combat is deemde as trigger time. Marines occupied "hot Fire-bases" where there was frequent fire-fights, like Chu Lai, Dong Ha, and Khe Sanh

 

[WarEagleAU]

I Call bullshit to your bullshit. Thats about all I need to say on that.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

I Call bullshit to your bullshit. Thats about all I need to say on that.

Me?

 

[Bigjohn]

Me?

No way.
Hes' calling bullshit on that liberal obama supporting name calling union supporting FudFighter

I worked a paintshop for Federal Signal in Illinois, during the summers, when I was in college. The union dudes were always telling me "Slow down, you're making us look bad", but I didn't. I worked through... this was in the 80's, and my output was 150-200% of the "union guys". For 70% of union wage... And I enjoyed it, worked it, and respected the pay I got as I used it for college.