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Who'll be the better president?

Discussion in 'TPU Frontpage Polls' started by W1zzard, Oct 1, 2008.

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Who'll be the better president?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2008.
  1. Barack Obama

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  2. John McCain

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  3. But I want George W. Bush

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  4. Don't care

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  1. Palit_Guy

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    My first official act would, of course, be to provide everyone at TPU with a new video card.
     
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    You do not know PALiT Guy at all then. He is one of my best friends that I have made over the years. The things that he does and says has changed my life for the better.

    The way he says them makes you think, and if you are not willing to do so then you can not learn what he has to say.

    He is one of the coolest, happy, loving(I say so"He cares without thinking"), people that I know. He lives life the way life should be lived and to say other wise about him would be a lie.

    I know for a fact if he was in office, he would do great things, and always have a new plan in place to move us forward. If his plan failed, he would not worry about what happened. He would make a new one and learn from what he had done wrong.

    He would not step back from us, he would share and explain what needs to be done. Hard or not Americans would have the truth. The way it should be. Sometimes a man needs to be hit in the gut, before he knows what to do. He could do this for us!

    I do not share all of his views, but then again I never share anyone's views 100%.
     
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    If you can make sure computer hardware becomes a little more affordable, there's more competition encouraged, if companies like VIA have a fair ground to compete, etc...before which, you make sure computer hardware manufacturing gets back to Sunnyvale (American jobs) from Shanghai, I'll migrate to the US just to vote for you.

    This sounds a little socialist, but I'm not intending it to sound like that. Back in the 70s, a lot of your jobs staied in the US. Kids had every reason to educate themselves to get those jobs. Even kids not wanting education had the room to take some technical training, so they could work in a factory. Haven't you just outsourced almost everything to Asia, and retained just the cream of the jobs back home? Is it very encouraging for a kid to grow up in a system where there's lesser room with the career?

    @D: take it a joke, c'mon I was just messing
     
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    Going back in the thread I think this is the most important issue that we face when we vote. The vote is so close that I felt like pointing out the most important post that I feel is the most important thing to think about before voting.



    This is what I believe is going on right now 99% sure of it. Everyone cashing out at one time, and moving there money to the other side. It off balanced the system, and bam we need money to put back in what was moved to keep moving. With out it, there would be no money for banks to loan, from anything to loaning money to pay their employees, to paying there bills, because most companies are always paying into a steady loan, because they do not have the capital to do it by themselves.


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    Right or wrong this is one of the most important things that I have learned over the year about what More higher government can do, to help us all. I know it sucks to say that you need a babysitter, but come on. Most of us work for someone, most of us do not work for ourselves. For that fact alone most people can not control their actions, when those actions that needed to be controlled are not being controlled.....Then you have madness. Bigger Government(Federal) keeps us from doing stupid things that can mess up our lifes, and because we are involved with the entire world I feel that we need that control over us even more.

    I do believe in the other things that Federal Government can do for us(we all know those things). That one above is one that I have really learned this year, in how money needs to be made, a smart way.We can bring down the world with us just because who we are.

    I see it that way!!!:toast:
     
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    Government regulation always is constructed to give one group preference over another - in the guise of "protecting" someone, or giving someone a "leg up"...

    But all it really does is give someone (Senator DODD? Senator FRANK??) a way to milk the system to their advantage....

    The interstate commerce clause was part of the constitution to PREVENT THE STATES from having unfair rules against eachother... it has been so abused by the Feds....
     
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    Palit-Guy for President,
    DaMulta for VP!
    Pepsi for SoW

    I want in at Secretary of War. I will conquer the world and succeed. We shall create a new all mighty American Empire.

    Either way, im just so sick and tired of the political crap, and as one Israeli person said it on the news, "No matter who wins the Presidential election nothing will happen, just 4 more years of the same". And i think he is right, i don't think who ever gets into office, either Obama or McCain, i don't see anything happening.
     
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    Like I have said back in this thread.

    There is the president, there is the senate, and there is congress.
    Put in place to keep balance in the system.

    It's not just those 3 groups of people tho. There are people under them that help come up with plans. Then those plans do show up in those 3 systems. Those people are not bound by a vote, or any kind of term base. When your party is in control those people from your party help those plans come into the light.

    Yes all the main 3 do have an impact. They all have there own view points, and they are the yes and no votes in the end. It's just that a lot of thinking behind those plans come from people that are always there, and never(not always)get swapped out for different people with different ideas.
     
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    Pepsi are you willing to do the harm for the good of the world?

    Get rid of all the bad, and keep the good?

    All in one act, that would send us to hell for sure if we did it, but at the same time would end a lot of hate in the world.

     
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    At the end of the day, all this argument over who should or should not be President is terribly misguided. The President himself has very little actual power to DO anything. A simple way to put it would be to say he is the go to guy when things get a little strange.

    The only time he has any real power is when that happens or when we're at war and he's acting as the commander-in-chief.

    In almost every way he cannot actually do anything without the consent of the Senate. If Iraq wanted to surrender tomorrow the President couldn't sign the treaty until the Senate approved it. Since it's not realistic for the entire Senate to sign every single thing, the President is the single person that represents them.

    The people that actually control the country and determine what the budget is, what any national policy will be, when we go to war, when we come home, national health care, taxes and so on ad infenitum is the Senate.

    The Senate is made up of the Congress and the House of Representatives. While we all may know who is running for President and we all have our opinions of what those individuals stand for and what they do, it is important to remember that he is really not much more than a figure head. The real power lies with our Senate.

    So the most important people in this country when it comes to what direction we will take as a nation are really not even being discussed.

    Here are some rhetorical questions to ponder.

    Who are the State Representatives and Congress people for the state in which you reside? Do you know their mailing or email address? Have you ever sent them correspondence to discuss your opinion of how they should vote on any matter? Have you forwarded this thread to them? Have you ever met them? Would you sit down and discuss the situation with them if they asked you?
     
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    I have met with a few one on one. I can say that, and talked to them one on one.

    When you do talk to them, you really know that those people are people are just like you and me. There is noting more to that. They are people that want to make changes, and feel that they can make a difference. I do not believe that they are there for the money(maybe- and yes some are).
     
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    Lets face the facts that the west has become a bunch of cowards. We are all a bunch of diplomats who have nothing to do with action, but only talk. We could have ended this terrorist thing back in 2001. Withing 5 years we could have rid the world of these terrorists, and all terrorist. When done right we could end all that is wrong with the world, and manage to make allies at the same time.

    To do so, you most certainly can't conquest with Nuclear weaponry. The land will be un-usable, and thus the resources botched. Part of conquest and divide deals with allies and picking your fights. Conquest has been part of humanity since man first walked.

    The problem is you can create an American empire by picking your fights. The problem is we are fighting wars without the man-power available. This is the key to all issues of war, man-power available. When you fight wars you can't draw lines on a map and say you can't go here or there, because the enemy doesn't play that game. We can do good, and if we do good then we can fix our image that the world has of us. And a goo portion of the world hates us right now.The world looks at us as the world's police, and so we should step up to the plate and do it. Obama has said time and time again about send soldiers into Rwanda. We can invade and conquer Rwanda with the right number of troops, and we then turn Rwanda into a Colony. After it has been colonized we can then set up industry there, and then export American goods to Rwanda, and thus help balance our Trade-Deflect. And in doing so increase the wealth of America, and then we can buy out Canad and Mexico, and create a United North America.
     
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    I have met quite a few Senators and Reps at a Social Function that we were at 2 years ago. I did speak to them and express concern about the 700Billion dollar bail out bill, i told them to vote no, because it would not allow the market to fix its self. And without fixing its self the market will eventual cause the country to collapse.
    One Rep actually listened to my plans and my military background. And he said that i should have gone into ROTC and if i do go into the military, that he would help me get into OTS, and go straight into the officer ranks, because i am Officer material.
     
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    Conquest with Nuclear weaponry even just a little again. Would put fear and respect back into us in someway.

    Why do we need to keep coming up with new ones if we are never going to use them?

    Also where we did it the last time(I'm very glad we get along with them now and are now friends)they have cleaned up the mess, and still work there to this day.

    When Israel did there little war, there was no holding back. They put fear into them, and in the end they got respect. To me, if we are going to fight a war, we should not hold back. No kicking in doors, non of that crap. We don't need to do those things.

    We just destroy until they know, that we are in control. The fear will keep the peace.

    IMO
     
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    I don't think you understand why the bail out was so important. Bush did save us!!!!

    When people stared moving that money(and they did so fast, that market had dropped a point has not done that in 20-40years. It's considered safe, but no high high gains like you get in the sp500), it went way way off balance to the breaking point. If it would not of been stopped the next day it would of locked up the entire system.

    Companies would not be able to use loans that they use everyday to run their company.
    People would not get their pay checks because banks could not get the loan to give the companies the money that day.
    Just bad, really really bad.
    BAD

    bailout sucks, but had to be done.
     
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    damulta i do agree with you somewhat
    if we actually want to win this war we really can't hold back
    there are 2 ways for us to stop or drastically reduce terrorism (IMO)
    a) take away their cause leaving them no real reason to fight/or completely demoralize them (see option b)
    b) provide an overwhelming show of force, we did that with japan...twice, and after said force was used the Japanese halted all suicide attacks against us, granted world opinion of us shifted but it more or less taught the world not to fuck with us unless your prepared to feel the full force of our arsenal
    but nuclear weapons are not the right choice to deal with the situation, not so much for the initial destructive force, but because of the fallout from it
     
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    Nuclear weapons would be useless in a conventional war. I would have started a draft on Sept. 12, 2001. I would have drafted 4 million soldiers for a period of 4 years. And i would force the draft to the point where you fight until the war is over. I would then turn around and issue an ultimatum that all countries in the world with terrorist shall turn the terrorist over, and if they lack the ability to do so, then we will come in there and clean the virus out for them. I would first send 2 million soldiers into the Philippines, i would give them 24 hour air support, and a no limits tag. I would allow those 2 million to clean out Alkieda that exists there. I would them tell the Taliban to surrender Osama Bin laden, and alkeida or else face prompt and utter destruction. It they refuse to give him up, i would air drop 500,000 soldiers into the country withing the first 24 hours. I would then send in an additional 700,000 ground assault troops, also with 24 air support, this time using B-52's and B-2, along with naval support form the Atlantic Fleet. I would then turn to the middle east and demand they hand over their terrorist. And i am quite certain that any of these governments that chant "Death to America, Death to Israel", would hand over those terrorist without a doubt, because they will not want to loose their rich filthy lives, with their 20 fucking wives, and their 300 foot mega yachts. By the end of September 2002, i will have control over the Philippines and Afghanistan. The terrorist would be wiped out. Pakistan would not dare stand up against the US Military might because for the same reasons, instead they wouldn't hobble over terrorist bases like they do now.

    I would turn around(Using Iran as an example, not saying i would but i chose this one). If Iran pledged jihad to America, The Iranian government, btw, the Iranian people (ages10-28) support and like America, and often like the western values that exits, and it shows, and these teens have started the underground counter culture. I would turn around and issue an Ultimatum, stop this war now, or else. And if they call my bluff, i would do a massive build up of troops in the Persian Gulf, and in Afghanistan. Personally i would send 3 armored divisions totalizing around 300,000 soldiers each into Iran from the east via Afghanistan. At the same time i would send in shock troops basically airborne troops to secure bridges and tunnels needed on the roads leading through the mountains. At the same time i would land around an additional 100,000 soldiers along the gulf coast, and farther north where the desert regions are. I would send in Seabees who would then construction air strips that would allow C-17 Globe Masters , and C-5 Galaxy lifters to land and drop off supplies and soldiers. Withing 90 days the capitol will be over run. D-day+120 the Iranian People will have voted in a new government. At the same time there would be 1.8 Million soldiers in country to support anti-terrorism activities. And as before, there are no lines, so if Iraq has terrorist in its country that were going over the border into Iran to kill GI's, i would send in 50,000 soldiers to take it out.

    Withing 5 years, Iran, Afghanistan, and the Philippines would be free from terrorism, along with any other Country that would request we come and clean them out in a diplomatic and peaceful manner. And at the same time no country or faction on the face of this earth will dare stand up against the United States for the next 50 or maybe 100 years. By the end of my first term as president the US Military will be a total of 16 million fighting soldiers strong, we will have rid the world of terrorism, and then we can begin to wind down. Our ability to raise such a superior fighting force will give us superiority in numbers. We could send a troop surge into Iran, or Iraq or anywhere and do it with man-power. We can send 500,000 or 1,000,000 Soldiers to a hot spot in a matter of weeks. This will give the Global War on Terrorism definition, and would most certainly make other countries especially those who hate us, a really bad though in their stomach the next time they think about supporting terrorist, or terrorist actions against America.This ladies and gentlemen is how wars are fought properly. Yes we may loose several thousand soldiers, but their death will not be in vein, because we have secured our freedom, and at the same time have shown to the world that we mean business.

    Freedom doesn't come for free.
     
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    In In Iraq, if they attacked us in some town. We just bomb the crap out of it.

    If they do a IED on us, we turn around and do the same thing around where the IED went off.

    This does not take more people to do either. If they knew for a fact if they kidnapped someone, and we just bomb the hell out of where we think they are they will get the idea to back off.

    I know that it sounds really horrible, but lets face it war is not peaceful, and never will be. What we are doing is being the nice guy to all the good people, and letting the bad guys slap up in the face and walk off. Sure those nice people that we are doing things would be effected as well. BUT that happens in war, it is unstoppable.

    Doing what I said would of brought peace a lot faster, they would do anything we tell them to do.
    Even with the ones that do not like us, because they would know that they would see our evil side if they tried anything again.


    I would also not respect boarders. If you came from a neighboring country and attack us then ran back home. I would bomb the crap out of them in their country. Then I would tell that country I will keep doing that until you get your people to stop attacking us. Why do we let them get away with this? It blows my mind.....we should not be scared of anyone!

    Yes I total believe in the draft in a ways as well. If we declare real war we should use the draft. During other kinds of wars(wars that are not officially wars)no draft.
    With the draft I do believe that they need to leave at least one son, if there is more than one. If you are the single son of a mother, then it would be your choice to go or not during the draft.
     
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    I believe that if companies have to borrow on credit to make good on their payroll then they should be up for review. Plus this crisis could have been avoided if Clinton had not made it so easy for Banks to make funny, money loans. And the blame also go to Appraisers, and Real Estate agents who started this price war thing in the first place. Home prices are over priced now, and all this crisis does is to help re-balance the system which now is unbalanced. IMO

    After dropping Fat Man on Japan, without Japan replying to surrender terms on August 14, Curtis LeMay was so pissed off about japan's lack of interest of surrender(after the bombing of Nagasaki) that he ordered over 900+ B-29 Super fortresses into the air as a "show of force", this bomber stream was accompanied by over 150 P-51D's, over 1,000 Aircraft in total, a Bomber stream that many said were over 10 miles wide and a 100 miles long, It has been reported that Japanese Civilians who saw this show of force were so scared, because all you saw was bombers everywhere in the sky. So much so that this also foiled a Military Coup that was taking place in Tokyo. This raid struck fear in several generals who quickly changed places and sided with the Emperor. It was the firebombing of Japans Major cities that would eventually force the Emperor to want to sue for peace. By the time the last B-29 landed back on Siapan and Marianas the war was over, and Japan Surrendered. And as another show of force the Army Air force once again sent up 400 B-29's over Tokyo bay during the peace accords on the USS, Missouri.


    I agree with you. I hate political wars, such as Vietnam Gulf War 1, and Gulf War 2, Afghanistan. It seems all that happens is good boys die because the enemy doesn't play by the rules. So why should we abide by stupid mandates and rules.

    The draft, in the case of world war, does permit the drafting of Sons of last names, or disabled men, they would be put into desk jobs, and then the healthy men at those desk jobs would then be sent to the front lines.

    I would support a full draft, having 16,000,000 soldiers would scare the shit off of anyone and any nation regardless of what ever. Even Iran or any Middle easy country would fear being invaded by a country with a numerically Superior army, especially when you can have 4 or 8 or 10 soldiers to each civilian in that country.
     
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    Most companies are running on a credit constant loan. They are always paying it back, but there are times in between. Banks take loans in the billions and more everyday to do these things.(You can invest in this)Then they turn around and payback that loan that day.(You can invest in that also)
    What happens if one group quits and invest in the other side to much?

    The market is crazy

    You can invest in a way if the Dow goes up that day you make money

    or

    You can invest in a way if the Dow went down you make money

    It has been said(rumored)Bin Laden invested in it going down on 9/11 and made Billions.....
    They still didn't stop that kind of trading......


    Bush as I have heard(not for total sure) finally stopped this trading when the bailout plan came out...



    Look into fact check about what happened after Clinton did what he did with sub-housing. There are other factors in what he did that caused this. He did it to help lower people get ahead. Then came other things as tax breaks for bigger homes, and more. There was a lot of time from when that came into affect and now, and the big boom of sudden burst of money being made.
    Point being they seen it coming, people new, and they chose not to regulate it....they took the risk of just letting the market being the market with less regulation.

    We used to have MEN that ran our country!

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    Oh I was going to add. If the neighboring country wanted to attack us for bombing people that were attacking us> I would then use tactical nukes(small nukes) Just one or two.....then say are you sure you want to go to war over a small number of people that are attacking us and we are just putting a stop to it.
     
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    What you are referring to is called Short term trading. It was banned by the SEC, not to long after FNM, and FRE went under.

    I am a day trader on the stock Market, and Bin Laiden used CIA financed money from the Soviet-Afghan war to help build his money stockpile prior to 9/11. Short trading is currently banned only on Bank and housing (insurance)stocks. You can still short sell other stocks. And if i remember correctly the ban is to be lifted, or has been. The ban has been extended over and over to help prevent the stock from crashing.


    I believe that WW2, was the war of all wars. It was the war that showed how to run countries, and empires. It allowed the military cart-blanch to do what ever it takes to win. And unfortunately until that returns our military will have to play in the political sandbox.
     
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    These days. If we wanted to show force, real force. we could use less people than we have now.

    We can bomb like no tomorrow
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    Very Very easy.

    I think you get what I'm looking at from where we could do that from.

    We are more modern than they are BY FAR! We are the Bigger man by the thousands to what they could do to one of us!

    Sending in a ton of troops would work also.
    But did it take a ton of troops after they(enemy) knew it was over in WW2?


    We did clean up after WW2.
    We could do that anywhere.
     
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    I feel that, this war, a war on terrorist would require man-power over technology. If you planted 700,000 soldiers on the border around Iraq, the terrorist could not get into the country, yes you can also say that you can use a Rover(unmanned airplane) to keep an eye on them, however in that case you would have to send soldiers over there which would still require time, and time is of the essence when you have terrorist running over the border on food, or by vehicles.

    However, i think we should put in a bunker made out of reinforced steel and armed with x-ray equipment and machine guns, rifles etic. these would use the x-ray technology to scan the citizens as they walked by for weapons, boobs etic. If the machine detects a bomb then it will kill the person as soon as it is verified to be a bomb, not something else. And I would also recommend using spy satellites to keep live footage of jihadist, and then use them to track the jihadist back to where they came from, and then raid that house and confiscate the weapons.
     
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    My dad is the trader not me in all kinds of markets(big money I'll say that). I just know what he tells me about it. I he tells me how it works, not the really the names of what kind of investment it is.

    I guess because he has been doing it so long, he just talks about whats behind the name...

    So I'm kind of what to know the names of what he was telling me about.

    CNN Money
    To not see this coming until now is crazy that no one could see this coming.

    What market it is it to invest in those loans?
    My dad told me that they where making money off of the equity some how.

    This is what I was talking about the banks mixing those different kinds of loans up. Then the equity went down big.


    Now it was on NPR radio business hour: That's where I heard about the banks borrowing money back and forth daily to keep running. And then that point drop in it(the investment value)(they said something like 20-40 years from the last time it dropped a point)

    They said when that happened people started money money fast. into the other side of that kind of investment. Causing the whole mess a lock on the system.

    I had never new that banks ran that way before.
    What kind of trading is that?
     
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    I don't think it would have to take that kind of force. These people have been fighting for 1000's of years.

    We go in kind and peace full. We dictate to them what to do. We are there government running their government.

    We bomb when they mess with us, or mess with each other. We put the fear of god in them. We could even just bomb around a city for days. And they would know!

    We would have plenty of people. Just not tons of people. Just what it took to get the job done, and a back up.
     
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