Why Can't I play Crysis Warhead Anymore?

[newtekie1]

The only thing that limitted installs solves is people beating the game, then giving it to their friends to play. IMO, it doesn't really solve any real piracy problems, and shouldn't be used. However, it is a product of the current state of the industry, and the people that are saying "well I don't like the anti-piracy methods, so I'm just going to pirate it" need to realize that they are the ones responsible for those anti-piracy methods.

 

[Wile E]

The only thing that limitted installs solves is people beating the game, then giving it to their friends to play. IMO, it doesn't really solve any real piracy problems, and shouldn't be used. However, it is product of the current industry, and the people that are saying "well I don't like the anti-piracy methods, so I'm just going to pirate it" need to realize that they are the ones responsible for those anti-piracy methods.

Yeah, I don't condone downloading these titles instead of buying them. I'm just not gonna play them, personally. Or, maybe, buy it and crack it, but that's a whole other legal grey area.

 

[EviLZeD]

well there would be just as much problems with unlimited installs because the disc would just float around all of the persons friends....

that can still happen because these install limits are easily bypassed by noCD exe's so therefore its pretty pointless to have an install limit in the firstplace

 

[zithe]

When I install a game, I ALWAYS copy it to an external hard drive. I've never had a problem placing it back into program files if I screwed up the install. I've even copied them onto other PCs without issue.

 

[Wile E]

When I install a game, I ALWAYS copy it to an external hard drive. I've never had a problem placing it back into program files if I screwed up the install. I've even copied them onto other PCs without issue.

That won't work with all games. Some install registry keys, or other needed software onto your Windows install, that won't get copied over if you just move the game folder to a new drive.

 

[zithe]

That won't work with all games. Some install registry keys, or other needed software onto your Windows install, that won't get copied over if you just move the game folder to a new drive.

It's worked with the games I tried, but all of them have a couple years under their belt.
If you know where the extra needed crap is saved, I guess it's worth a shot?

Don't kill me. I don't understand OS' too well. XD

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

It does make a difference if people pirate. Its the only voice they/we have. Speak through purchasing power. Software companies will see they are losing revenue on games with high profile DRM. I know companies like to make you think 9 outa 10 people pirate, but that is complete BS. It is more in line with how many people OC their computers and install 3rd party cooling. I know it doesn't seem like that here but really Pirates are a very small minority.

They spend millions on advertising against pirates, and millions more on DRM tech. Then they get to spend millions supporting the average customer that can not install the game or have reached their max install quota.

The reason PC games are shrinking is because of them, the game publishers, wasting all that money on BS that effects 95% of the legit user base yet doesn't effect the 5% they were trying to stop.

 

[newtekie1]

The number of legit users that are actually negatively affected by DRM is a lot lower than the number of pirates. DRM definitely doesn't affect 95% of the legit user base, in fact I'm sure 99% of the legit user base never even realize it is there. The pirates want to make you think it is affecting every person that buys the game legally, but that simply isn't the case, it is just an excuse pirates like to use to give them a reason to get out of buying the game.

The PC game industry isn't shrinking because of DRM, it is shrinking because companies have less and less reason to make PC games. Less and less people are buying PC games, more are pirating or moving to consoles.

DRM has little to do with the shrinking PC gaming market, if anything is is one of the reasons that the market hasn't collapsed completely.

 

[Wile E]

The number of legit users that are actually negatively affected by DRM is a lot lower than the number of pirates. DRM definitely doesn't affect 95% of the legit user base, in fact I'm sure 99% of the legit user base never even realize it is there. The pirates want to make you think it is affecting every person that buys the game legally, but that simply isn't the case, it is just an excuse pirates like to use to give them a reason to get out of buying the game.

The PC game industry isn't shrinking because of DRM, it is shrinking because companies have less and less reason to make PC games. Less and less people are buying PC games, more are pirating or moving to consoles.

DRM has little to do with the shrinking PC gaming market, if anything is is one of the reasons that the market hasn't collapsed completely.

I completely disagree with you there. Just look how many issues people are having with securom. DRM is not invisible by any means, and it does nothing to stop piracy, therefore it is not keeping the industry afloat. If anything it is hurting it further, due to the development costs and licensing fees, all of which are passed on to us consumers. ANd even if only a small percentage of people are having issues with the current Securom, what about a year or two from now, when a hell of a lot more people are likely to have hit their install limits?

If you think DRM is actually a benefit, and that it is actually necessary, all I have to do is to point out games like Oblivion. It isn't encumbered by some ridiculous DRM scheme, yet it was wildly successful.

DRM schemes like the current Securom are hurting PC gaming, and the more invasive and limiting it gets, the more the industry will suffer. There's no two ways about it. People don't want to spend $50 on a game that has the potential of becoming nothing more than a long term rental if the developer doesn't keep their word.

 

[newtekie1]

There will always be issue, however to 99% of the people that buy the game legit, it is invisible, and they will never have issues.

As for hitting the limit years down the road, many do not even install the game more than once, beat it, then put it on a shelf. Even still, I believe Securom has stated that the install limit is reset after a certain time, I believe it was a year. So it isn't a limit to 5 for the rest of time, but a limit to 5 installs in a year, which is more than reasonable IMO.

Personally, I don't believe the install limit actually does any good. However, other DRM schemes do. And while Oblivion was DRM free, and wildly successful, it was also one of the most pirated games released. I know of my ~20 friends that played it, only 2 copies was actually bought, mine which I used for myself, and a friends who got distributed to the others.

Unfortunately, it is in human nature to steal digital content. If it was as easy to pirate a game as it is to copy a music CD for someone, the PC gaming industry wouldn't exist as it does today. We wouldn't see several good titles released a year, we would see maybe one. Software developers would all go to consoles as there would be little money in PC gaming.

 

[Solaris17]

I completely disagree with you there. Just look how many issues people are having with securom. DRM is not invisible by any means, and it does nothing to stop piracy, therefore it is not keeping the industry afloat. If anything it is hurting it further, due to the development costs and licensing fees, all of which are passed on to us consumers. ANd even if only a small percentage of people are having issues with the current Securom, what about a year or two from now, when a hell of a lot more people are likely to have hit their install limits?

If you think DRM is actually a benefit, and that it is actually necessary, all I have to do is to point out games like Oblivion. It isn't encumbered by some ridiculous DRM scheme, yet it was wildly successful.

DRM schemes like the current Securom are hurting PC gaming, and the more invasive and limiting it gets, the more the industry will suffer. There's no two ways about it. People don't want to spend $50 on a game that has the potential of becoming nothing more than a long term rental if the developer doesn't keep their word.

i completely agree like halo and crysis for the PC i had such a F#$# hard ime installing them because of DRM Crysis would tell me its not a legit copy and alo2 actually forced me to install and play it with the secondary login enabled which i purposely disabled along with other services to ain performance and secondary login wasnt just it i had to enable all its damn deendencies i returned my first copy because i thought it was a bad disk until i found others with the same prob when it did it with the second i looked for hours for the answer with the second disk i was about 30min away from returning the game all together and just keeping the money because game stop was closing down and it took m 15min to get their. then i found out you had to enable those so i did and it worked totally rediculous if you ask me now in order to even play it i need to keep services i dont want on enabled for the game to even F#@$ start.

 

[Wile E]

There will always be issue, however to 99% of the people that buy the game legit, it is invisible, and they will never have issues.

As for hitting the limit years down the road, many do not even install the game more than once, beat it, then put it on a shelf. Even still, I believe Securom has stated that the install limit is reset after a certain time, I believe it was a year. So it isn't a limit to 5 for the rest of time, but a limit to 5 installs in a year, which is more than reasonable IMO.

Personally, I don't believe the install limit actually does any good. However, other DRM schemes do. And while Oblivion was DRM free, and wildly successful, it was also one of the most pirated games released. I know of my ~20 friends that played it, only 2 copies was actually bought, mine which I used for myself, and a friends who got distributed to the others.

Unfortunately, it is in human nature to steal digital content. If it was as easy to pirate a game as it is to copy a music CD for someone, the PC gaming industry wouldn't exist as it does today. We wouldn't see several good titles released a year, we would see maybe one. Software developers would all go to consoles as there would be little money in PC gaming.

I'm not against all DRM. I don't mind needing the disc in the drive (or perhaps they can give us a usb dongle?). That makes it more like a DVD to normal people. If you want to take one of your DVDs to a friends house, and watch it on their player, you can. Console games are the same way, you can play it on any system, as long as you have the disc. PC games should be the same way.

Is this type of DRM easily defeated? Yes, it is. But as you already pointed out, normal people don't bother with that. Besides, securom is just as easily defeatable by the same simple download. So, in effect, the only people that it CAN affect, are legitimate owners. It does not, and will not ever affect pirates, and will only ever potentially serve to piss off the people that legitimately bought the game. The pirates are already 100% unaffected. So what purpose does this serve again?

In short, this is pointless, and a slap in the face to legitimate owners, as they are treated like criminals.

 

[niko084]

I got the game new and have only installed it twice. It is so annoying for people that actually buy games and get treated like a pirate by the developer. I hate EA

Exactly why I refuse to buy any game released by EA. I feel their pain, but it's not going to become mine..

As said, call / email their support, they generally are good at taking care of issues like that.

As for the security features, I agree with Wile E very much..

What happens if you ban guns, then only criminals have them *sounds like a good idea*.

 

[Solaris17]

I'm not against all DRM. I don't mind needing the disc in the drive (or perhaps they can give us a usb dongle?). That makes it more like a DVD to normal people. If you want to take one of your DVDs to a friends house, and watch it on their player, you can. Console games are the same way, you can play it on any system, as long as you have the disc. PC games should be the same way.

Is this type of DRM easily defeated? Yes, it is. But as you already pointed out, normal people don't bother with that. Besides, securom is just as easily defeatable by the same simple download. So, in effect, the only people that it CAN affect, are legitimate owners. It does not, and will not ever affect pirates, and will only ever potentially serve to piss off the people that legitimately bought the game. The pirates are already 100% unaffected. So what purpose does this serve again?

In short, this is pointless, and a slap in the face to legitimate owners, as they are treated like criminals.

hell im a legit user buy all my games because i like having a disk and a legit key in case i want to play some of the guys on TPU but im totally guilty of getting no-cd EXE's because i hate how loud my dvd drives get and ill also be the first to admit i copy and back up iso's of all my games on my 1TB drive to keep the disks in new condition thn i get programs like deamon tools to get the laser lock secure rom stuff i mount and install

 

[niko084]

hell im a legit user buy all my games because i like having a disk and a legit key in case i want to play some of the guys on TPU but im totally guilty of getting no-cd EXE's because i hate how loud my dvd drives get and ill also be the first to admit i copy and back up iso's of all my games on my 1TB drive to keep the disks in new condition thn i get programs like deamon tools to get the laser lock secure rom stuff i mount and install

I'm the same way, same with all my music and movies also. I don't want my drives spinning up and down all the time, I don't want to be shuffling through cd cases... Waste of my time.

 

[Wile E]

hell im a legit user buy all my games because i like having a disk and a legit key in case i want to play some of the guys on TPU but im totally guilty of getting no-cd EXE's because i hate how loud my dvd drives get and ill also be the first to admit i copy and back up iso's of all my games on my 1TB drive to keep the disks in new condition thn i get programs like deamon tools to get the laser lock secure rom stuff i mount and install

I'm the same way, same with all my music and movies also. I don't want my drives spinning up and down all the time, I don't want to be shuffling through cd cases... Waste of my time.

That's why I suggested a usb dongle. I think it's the perfect compromise. I wouldn't even bother with no-cd's if they gave us those.

 

[niko084]

That's why I suggested a usb dongle. I think it's the perfect compromise. I wouldn't even bother with no-cd's if they gave us those.

Ya, that wouldn't be so bad.

 

[SkyKast]

hell im a legit user buy all my games because i like having a disk and a legit key in case i want to play some of the guys on TPU but im totally guilty of getting no-cd EXE's because i hate how loud my dvd drives get and ill also be the first to admit i copy and back up iso's of all my games on my 1TB drive to keep the disks in new condition thn i get programs like deamon tools to get the laser lock secure rom stuff i mount and install

yeah I take ISO's of all my games as well and do the same thing you do but I like having the disk/case, I get the special edition whenever possible because it is a collection to me as well as a great piece of media

 

[zithe]

That's why I suggested a usb dongle. I think it's the perfect compromise. I wouldn't even bother with no-cd's if they gave us those.

I'd end up losing it.

Good idea, either way.

 

[Trizmatic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yO913DuRwA

I peed my pants that was so funny

 

[SkyKast]

what movie was that originally from anyways?

 

[Whilhelm]

Its from Downfall. A very well done movie about Hitler and the last days of the Third Reich

Who knew my OP would have spawned an actual intelligent discussion about DRM and Piracy.

 

[zithe]

Who knew my OP would have spawned an actual intelligent discussion about DRM and Piracy.

And Nazi's.

 

[Whilhelm]

I guess that's my fault for posting that funny video but I felt it was relevant.

 

[Pinchy]

I'm not against all DRM. I don't mind needing the disc in the drive (or perhaps they can give us a usb dongle?). That makes it more like a DVD to normal people. If you want to take one of your DVDs to a friends house, and watch it on their player, you can. Console games are the same way, you can play it on any system, as long as you have the disc. PC games should be the same way.

Is this type of DRM easily defeated? Yes, it is. But as you already pointed out, normal people don't bother with that. Besides, securom is just as easily defeatable by the same simple download. So, in effect, the only people that it CAN affect, are legitimate owners. It does not, and will not ever affect pirates, and will only ever potentially serve to piss off the people that legitimately bought the game. The pirates are already 100% unaffected. So what purpose does this serve again?

In short, this is pointless, and a slap in the face to legitimate owners, as they are treated like criminals.

Couldn't have put it better myself.