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Games can offer escapism, competitiveness, emotional responses, challenges, but the key thing should be fun!! I like the fact that we have games like "The Sims" or WOW. It keeps the PC gaming community alive by the sheer amounts of money it brings in but, as someone mentioned, we have a choice and we don't have to play those types of games. Whether its an FPS,sports,simulation title, whatever......have fun and get lost in that world, it's got to better than reality :)
 
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I think ea approach is more reasonable, milk em for dollars instead of raping them for the game, plus the fees to play it online. Probably will take hold in more mmog I imagine.
 
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One of the thing's a lot of people do is wonder whether WoW can be beaten or not. And they try to compare it to the mass's of MMO's.

WoW has achieved something no other MMO and it will reign into that spot forever. Picture it as the Google of MMO's. It's easy to play, and can adopt all age's quickly because of this. This is why it could be considered, and MMO for "newbs" or the "easy MMO" whatever you want to call it. It has done this because it has hit the nail on the head with hitting the mass's of what people generally like from an MMO.

Now some may argue how it's the worst MMO possible, ya sure..it might be in one opinion..but then why does it have 11million subscribers? :cool:


Hat's off the Blizzard they achieved and hit a milestone no one else had yet. Now..what's the next milestone? If anyone hasn't seen a MMO yet called Heroes of Telera, go check it out. It's suppose to have an ever changing world on the fly, with coders and admin's in the background changing the environment as you play..if it work's that's something no MMO has EVER done or accomplished.
 
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It might have 11 million+ subscribers, but im not joining, why would i wanna pay for a game n be paying summat like £16 a month for a game with crap ancient graphics to waste my life on, i enjoy socialising but in the REAL world, face to face and that £16 a month could be better spent on a few pints\beers! lol

(correct if me if im wrong about £16 a month)

ill never justify paying monthly for a game online, never.

Blizzard are making a killing of a fortune with that game, with all the cash they've not even bothered to give it a massive graphical update. but i could imagine some people killing themselves if the servers was off for a few nights,

Ive heard about some teens killing themselves over this pathetic game, i wonder how blizzard feel about that one.
 
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It might have 11 million+ subscribers, but im not joining, why would i wanna pay for a game n be paying summat like £16 a month for a game with crap ancient graphics to waste my life on, i enjoy socialising but in the REAL world, face to face and that £16 a month could be better spent on a few pints\beers! lol

(correct if me if im wrong about £16 a month)

ill never justify paying monthly for a game online, never.

Blizzard are making a killing of a fortune with that game, with all the cash they've not even bothered to give it a massive graphical update. but i could imagine some people killing themselves if the servers was off for a few nights,

Ive heard about some teens killing themselves over this pathetic game, i wonder how blizzard feel about that one.

The money you pay helps finance the maintenance on the WoW servers and even paying for the servers themselves since the servers are through a third party company. With all the servers too choose from, you cant really expect Blizzard to pay for the servers out of their own pocket. Thats just bad business. At least with FPS servers, they have it so users themselves can actually host a server out of their own home. Or you can opt to go through a third party company as well for x amount of money per month. I said the same thing as you when it came to paying money per month for a game. But this is why they do it.

If you stop and think about it, Blizzard is never really one for graphics. Id rather have some graphics like WoW than have an FPS game with amazing graphics and only have 10hrs of game play. Thats just disappointing. But, blizzard over the years has upped the graphics in the game. Especially when it comes to places in The Burning Crusade and WoTLK content.

In some areas in Outlands and Northrend I lag like hell because of the graphics and I have a GTX 285 (stock).

And yes while I enjoy a good drink every now and then, id rather spend $15 a month on WoW than double or triple that for alcohol consumption for a given month. And no im not saying your an alcoholic. Its a generalization.
 

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I just don't think it's that fun. Then again I do find EVE fun :wtf:
 
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Im the other way around. :)

Point of my post was that they are pretty much the same game, it just comes down to personal preference. I do find though that eve is the only game I can minimise and play another game and still get better at eve :laugh:
 
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Point of my post was that they are pretty much the same game, it just comes down to personal preference. I do find though that eve is the only game I can minimise and play another game and still get better at eve :laugh:

I agree, but that wasnt my point. :)
 

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It all depends. I fired up WOW and fell asleep the first couple minutes.(its just that boring to me), I mean you really have to be into those kinds of games to truly enjoy them. I have friends that play it a whole lot and i don't care that they do and i don't bash them for it, its just not my cup of tea.


I think it really gets interesting once you lvl up tho
 
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To be totally honest, WoW is a snooze fest for the first 20 levels. If you have recruit a friend, those first 20 levels are a breeze.
 
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The money you pay helps finance the maintenance on the WoW servers and even paying for the servers themselves since the servers are through a third party company. With all the servers too choose from, you cant really expect Blizzard to pay for the servers out of their own pocket. Thats just bad business.


AFAIK Blizzard runs their own servers for most of the world. (Makes more sense given the vast requirements for maintenence and patching, for the cost. No middleman.)

Only the WoW clients under content restrictions (CHINA) are third party.
 

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It might have 11 million+ subscribers, but im not joining, why would i wanna pay for a game n be paying summat like £16 a month for a game with crap ancient graphics to waste my life on, i enjoy socialising but in the REAL world, face to face and that £16 a month could be better spent on a few pints\beers! lol

Ive heard about some teens killing themselves over this pathetic game, i wonder how blizzard feel about that one.

A lot of people feel they won't pay for a game and thats fine, if you don't want to you don't have too. But odds are none of the games you play will have the longevity of most MMO's, and thats what people pay for.

But beyond that, the killing thing are unstable people, I'm going to go out on an extreme example here and ask you if you think the liquor companys mourn every loss from drunk driving, as there is quiet a few daily world wide, I'm betting not. When someone uses something in an improper way, they are the one responsible not everyone else.

Point of my post was that they are pretty much the same game, it just comes down to personal preference. I do find though that eve is the only game I can minimise and play another game and still get better at eve :laugh:

I don't know, EVE is quiet a bit different. I tried it, was impressed by the games facial creation, then load in and im in a space ship wondering when I can get out. :laugh: I would call that more like a MMOSFS (space flight sim).
 

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Well I don't like the fact that you have to pay for the game and than pay $15 a month to be able to use it. I can't really bash WoW as I enjoy Silkroad occasionally, but at least Slikroad is free...
 
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it doesnt really matter but the time people spend on it can get to ridiculous levels yes even addiction, the point of is it a bad addiction or not is irrelevant they still play it A LOT!

a few bad points about the game
its kinda old now
you have to pay a lot to play it eg subscription is high
break the game down and its very basic and not that much to it

its not a bad game just rather average

its the players that make that game not the gameplay and there are a few bad players in WOW that spoil it, if you have mates or are in a clan it will be better but the core gameplay is basic

its not fun enuf for me so i dont touch it

i always thought that LOTR online would be fun but the community is a little different the world and quests are okay decent graphics for an MMO


at least its not as bad as world of warcraft i know graphics dont make a game but come on it looks like WOW but its only what a year old? maybe a little more
 

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I played WoW for about 1 month (my friend had given it to me for christmas so i thought it wouldn't hurt)

It was ok at first but i did find myself waisting a lot of time on it because the annoying thing were doing quest cause its like go do the quest...come back to me to tell me you did the quest...and it kept going on like that haha.

thats why it was so boring
 

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at least its not as bad as world of warcraft i know graphics dont make a game but come on it looks like WOW but its only what a year old? maybe a little more

LotRO is just a bit over 2 years old now. But $15 a month isn't a very steep fee, as it's a general MMO cost. The one thing that really gets me is that they still charge for expansions. I just don't get that. Money extra in the pocket, but sitll, it will pull in more subs, so just kind of lame.

I played WoW for about 1 month (my friend had given it to me for christmas so i thought it wouldn't hurt)

It was ok at first but i did find myself waisting a lot of time on it because the annoying thing were doing quest cause its like go do the quest...come back to me to tell me you did the quest...and it kept going on like that haha.

thats why it was so boring

Thing is, thats every MMO on the market almost. But thats the way any game is where your character levels. You usually do some sort of mission for someone then come back for a reward. The real fun starts at max level though, as you just go and kill cool shit, would be nice if the graphics were better, but still pretty cool things and if you got a good guild, hopefully get to enjoy raiding with some cool people, if the people you raid with are annoying and you dislike them, raiding just won't be any fun no matter how good of players they are.
 
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Weren't they suppose to do a graphic overhaul for the last expansion?
 

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I for one think one of the cornerstones of WoW is that you can play it on anything. Heck, I could play it just fine with a 1.4 Ghz Athlon, 512MB RAM and a Radeon 9000 pro (I was soloing to the extreme though). It would be nice with a graphic overhaul, but I think they will be very cautious.
 
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How sad is it that you made a thread about a video game, in which we later find out that you actually play; where-upon you look to get some sort of amnesty for the fact that you enjoy it.

That right there sums up why people dislike World of Warcraft, and the types of persons who play it : Self esteem(or lack there of).


And I've long said that Wow, by modern MMO standards, is fine, it's not crap, nor is it great.


Putting all the usless comments aside, it's real bane to the MMO world, is it's concepts. It's wattered down, has a nanny-state, is easy-mode, and filled with glittery flash and dash with happy go lucky approach.

Most of it's RPG concepts are terrible, but because of it's popularity/success, those same concepts have trickled down into later generation MMOs, ruining them as well.



It's a haven for online socialites that sucks in all the social rejects and low self-esteem degenerates. It has more activity than SIMS, which is OBVIOUSLY ABOUT socialites.


Any of the MMOs can get you addicted and waste your time, WoW just happens to be an even bigger time waster.

LotRO is just a bit over 2 years old now. But $15 a month isn't a very steep fee, as it's a general MMO cost. The one thing that really gets me is that they still charge for expansions. I just don't get that. Money extra in the pocket, but sitll, it will pull in more subs, so just kind of lame.

Yes, but we all paid for Warhead, and that was (whether they admit it or not) like an expansion. DLC for Fallout is like an expansion, and we pay for that in some way or another. It's not unreasonable, espeically when you consider that after a MMO launches, 60+% of the developers are pulled off the project. They only leave enough for maintenance, patches, and further content updates(of which they might bring some people BACK in). An expansion is probably done with the lower employee count, meaning extra work all around.


Should get over the subscription fee as well. The common 'fifteen bucks' per month, is mainly for maintenance costs. I don't see the problem. I find most people who complain about it, are either fourteen year olds who don't work, and have to ask mom for everything, one of which being her credit card, which she refuses to give, and/or they're the kind of people that get EVERYTHING free, meaning warez, meaning they probably got the game itself free as well; but because of the subscription fee, they can't play it. Oh darn, shame you wasted your bandwidth allocation for the month!

And please don't tell me it's a 'matter of principle.' I struggle to find even one person out of every hundred, who even exhibits ethics and principles on the internet, let alone in relation to money and a video game.
 
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Yes, but we all paid for Warhead, and that was (whether they admit it or not) like an expansion. DLC for Fallout is like an expansion, and we pay for that in some way or another. It's not unreasonable, espeically when you consider that after a MMO launches, 60+% of the developers are pulled off the project. They only leave enough for maintenance, patches, and further content updates(of which they might bring some people BACK in). An expansion is probably done with the lower employee count, meaning extra work all around.


Should get over the subscription fee as well. The common 'fifteen bucks' per month, is mainly for maintenance costs. I don't see the problem. I find most people who complain about it, are either fourteen year olds who don't work, and have to ask mom for everything, one of which being her credit card, which she refuses to give, and/or they're the kind of people that get EVERYTHING free, meaning warez, meaning they probably got the game itself free as well; but because of the subscription fee, they can't play it. Oh darn, shame you wasted your bandwidth allocation for the month!

And please don't tell me it's a 'matter of principle.' I struggle to find even one person out of every hundred, who even exhibits ethics and principles on the internet, let alone in relation to money and a video game.

Can't really compare Warhead or Fallout DLC to a MMO expansion, as oncethats out the door thats it, they don't see more money from you. I do agree that server maint and paying some people needs to be covered. But when a company pulls in over 100 million a month from just one games subs, a ton of that is going to be profit.

But I agree it is harder for kids to play any play to pay game, and that $15 a month is not much at all, 3 meals at McD's and your looking at $15 - $20, but you didn't say what you thought the others were, only said the 14 year olds.

Now as far as WoW being a bad thing, nothing is a bad thing ,new ideas are always good. Is WoW a watered down easy mode game now? Yes it is, but at one point it wasn't, and it has introduced many new features to the MMO world that are good. Thats the nice thing about new games is they should look to what was before it and barrow good ideas, WoW has a lot of them, but then shouldn't follow when it comes to easy mode content.
 

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Who cares what others think or say, everyone has an opinion on everything. Most of the time, no ones wrong and no ones right, its just personal opinion.

Some people like to play WoW until their eyeballs bleed and they die from hunger and thirst.....but hey, as long as they are happy doing so!

Some like to play CoD W@W for hours on end running around like a bunch of cockshiners 'boosting' so they can get to level 10 Prestige and look really 'hard' (yeah right)...but as long as they are happy!






I think the only thing we can ALL agree on is: WoW = Satan :D
 
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How sad is it that you made a thread about a video game, in which we later find out that you actually play; where-upon you look to get some sort of amnesty for the fact that you enjoy it.

How sad is it that you respond to my thread I made about a video game in which I actually play. What does it matter to you?

That right there sums up why people dislike World of Warcraft, and the types of persons who play it : Self esteem(or lack there of).

And you think I lack self esteem why? Because I made a thread about a video game (that I enjoy and im not addicted to) asking other peoples opinions on why it is hated so much for no reason? Give me a break.

And I've long said that Wow, by modern MMO standards, is fine, it's not crap, nor is it great.

Cool your opinion. At least you dont hate it just because the general populous does for no reason what so ever.


Putting all the usless comments aside, it's real bane to the MMO world, is it's concepts. It's wattered down, has a nanny-state, is easy-mode, and filled with glittery flash and dash with happy go lucky approach.

Whether you or most think so or not, WoW actually does take skill to play. Even though it looks real easy and that a second grader can play it, it can actually be quite difficult facing other players within the environment or doing Arena's/Tournaments.

Most of it's RPG concepts are terrible, but because of it's popularity/success, those same concepts have trickled down into later generation MMOs, ruining them as well.

The more you talk the more it just seems that you hate MMO's all together.

It's a haven for online socialites that sucks in all the social rejects and low self-esteem degenerates. It has more activity than SIMS, which is OBVIOUSLY ABOUT socialites.

There it is again. Another stereotype. Just because someone plays WoW or some other MMO doe snot mean that they are a social reject.

Any of the MMOs can get you addicted and waste your time, WoW just happens to be an even bigger time waster.

Maybe to you. To others its a very addictive game. To people like me, they play it because its fun, its unlike other games, and I like the challenge. Im not addicted to the game in any way. I play it because Im tired of all these FPS's. They are all the same. You run arounding killing this dude and that before this happens. And the games are always 10hrs long which you can beat in no time. I find myself paying for a good FPS title and playing it once or twice. Then it just sits on my hard drive consuming space.

Yes, but we all paid for Warhead, and that was (whether they admit it or not) like an expansion. DLC for Fallout is like an expansion, and we pay for that in some way or another. It's not unreasonable, espeically when you consider that after a MMO launches, 60+% of the developers are pulled off the project. They only leave enough for maintenance, patches, and further content updates(of which they might bring some people BACK in). An expansion is probably done with the lower employee count, meaning extra work all around.

I for one didnt play warhead. The game didnt seem all that fun to me so I didnt even bother with it.

Should get over the subscription fee as well. The common 'fifteen bucks' per month, is mainly for maintenance costs. I don't see the problem. I find most people who complain about it, are either fourteen year olds who don't work, and have to ask mom for everything, one of which being her credit card, which she refuses to give, and/or they're the kind of people that get EVERYTHING free, meaning warez, meaning they probably got the game itself free as well; but because of the subscription fee, they can't play it. Oh darn, shame you wasted your bandwidth allocation for the month!

I actually agree with you here.

And please don't tell me it's a 'matter of principle.' I struggle to find even one person out of every hundred, who even exhibits ethics and principles on the internet, let alone in relation to money and a video game.

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I don't think WOW should be banned. It has a right to be on the market as does any other game. Most people who play WOW lead perfectly functional lives and are not affected by it anymore than any other hobby. For those people its fine.

Then there are the many that are extremely receptive to the WOW stimulous and are consumed by it. Those same people are those who would most likely do drugs/gambling addictions if they weren't so addicted to WOW..... so maybe it makes them safe? :laugh: Doing a study on it would be good so maybe we can discover if its actually helpful to society. Although its very unlikely.


People destroy their lives with all kinds of stuff. WOW is just one of them.

Most people hate WOW not because they don't think its enjoyable. They hate it because of what it does to people who have weak self control or little else in their lives that they view more important.

I don't really hate meth, I hate what it does to people. The people who let an addiction(what ever it may be) get out of hand, are weak people. Empathy towards humanity requires hating what destroys it, or degrades it.

I could see playing WOW if it had better graphics. Its just too ugly for me to play it. I used a trial of it one time and after the settings are turned all the way up with AA, its like WTF! Ugly as sh!t. But WOW is fine for those who can tolerate the graphics, and not let it get too far. :laugh:

The old outlet for having a weak social prowess was role playing games.... pen and paper with others which actually helped "socially behind" people build there social side. Possibly creating a more successful social life. WOW simply makes social weaknesses worse for those who abuse it but its not the end of the world.
 
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