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Will an A10-7850K or Athlon 760K Bottleneck a R9 290X?

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  1. Champ

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    How is this combo coming along? I happened to be doing random searching and saw this. I don't think the chart tells the a10's performance. I guarantee its the normal games optimized for nvidia situation going on. I'm sure the higher the res. the less difference there is. I wonder if mantle was used?
     
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    would like to see performance results as well :)
     
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    Saw this vid. Looks strong
     
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    It will run fine most of the time, its simply that a faster CPU will provide higher FPS.


    doesnt mean its not playable or usable with the A10, merely that faster exists.
     
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    The answer is Yes and No. Reason its that is cause it will depend on the game itself. Some are more cpu bound and others are more bound to what the gpu can process fast enough.
     
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    Good answer:toast:
     
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    So sorry for the late response. Been laid back lol and haven't even assembled it yet.
     
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    I am always just as shocked each time I see this. Just like I was at how well with an overclocked Pentium anniversary games do!
     
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    I wouldn't trust that as that's single player and not as CPU intensive. Multiplayer is way more CPU intensive.
     
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    Indeed, but as long as you enable Mantle in BF4 with a GCN card it really does help. Since I understand you went with a 7850k, if you punch that CPU up to 4.5+ you won't have anything to worry about.
     
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    Mehhh rarely ever used mantle.
     
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    It does help though, I get some extra FPS average with it and a higher minimum.
     
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    Hi, guys!

    I need some advice… I’ve bought exact same CPU and the video card, as described in the thread (A10-7850K and R9 290X), and machine is having terrible performance in RIFT on 1920x1080p.

    Namely – 25fps on average, in the crowded areas. How is that even possible??

    Other hardware is: 16GB RAM, motherboard - GA-F2A88XM-DS2.
    Nothing is overclocked.

    This PC was already “pre-compiled” in the shop I’ve bought it from. The original CPU was actually 7700k, so I thought it’s better to upgrade it…

    There was a problem with the drivers that came with the pc, so everything has been installed from the web..
    Could it be software issue? Or not?

    I would return it, but it was a present I’ve sent to my friend in other country… so that complicates the issue...
    If nothing can be done, however, I’ll have to buy upgrade.. (i7 probably and some motherboard for it)

    I have i7, GTX670, 8GB RAM… and RIFT runs on 2560 without a problem.. 60+ fps. Which makes no sense...
     
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    I don't think 25FPS average is normal you should be getting more than that.

    Random question why did you go for the APU rather than say the AMD FX 8 core?
     
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    I'm not a specialist like you guys here... Total newbie, when it comes to hardware. Since it was "bundled" all together in the shop, I thought these APU processor series will be good enough to match the video and everything else..

    On AMD website this CPU is highly praised.. http://www.amd.com/en-gb/products/processors/desktop/a-series-apu

    Should have done more research.

    Although I feel something is wrong, because there is no way it could be that bad.
     
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    btw it's not a bottleneck ... i had a 6300 @ 4.4 with a 290 and got 25fps in crowded area, kinda usual for AMD cpu/apu, same for a 760K and A10-7700 with a 270X (RIFT or Firefall or any mmo ... ) mmo's are CPU bound for that point.
    with a 4690K @ 4.5 and the same 290 i have better FPS, the CMT configuration from AMD can be considered as a dual core with HT (or triple core with HT in my case)

    and with a 8320/50 i would had the same fps since game wise they offer the same FPS when paired with a good gpu
    for regular gaming 6300 and above are just a notch under a i5 (2500K/3750K/whatever) for online gaming ... well let's say you have a i3 dual core with HT but cheaper and who will pack a bit more punch in non online games ...

    the APU are good and the review reflect it, but it's not for what you do with it. never buy the praise on a manufacturer site ... for one or another brand the product they made is always: "awesome, revolutionary, top in his class" and such other superlative, read reviews instead.
     
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    That link is AMD's website, of course they would say their product is the best. They are biased and want you to buy it! AMD isn't going to say their APU sucks on their own website.

    You need to visit independent websites.
     
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    Sounds like a normal problem to me. Overclocking would be my suggestion
     
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    Thanks for all the replies, guys..

    I've did some research and yes, turns out that it's RIFT, which is horribly optimized + the relatively weak CPU..

    And true about AMD site... shouldn't have bothered with checking their site. Too gullible.


    Far Cry 3 dragon blood runs on ~45-55, on average.. which is much better.
    Waiting for other tests..

    @Durvelle27 sorry for the lame question, but how do you overclock? If you could give me a link to a thread for newbies, it would be highly appreciated.
    Also.. would it improve performance just by 20-25% max?.. It would be still horrible...

    @GreiverBlade what CPU would your recommend for online games? (mmo's primarily). Something with more "physical" cores rather than APU's?
     
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    intel CPU's have the fastest performance per core, which is why they tend to be preffered by gamers. They also cost a lot more unless you grab a second hand bargain.

    That said, yeah a 20% gain from overclocking is certainly possible, but it will take you a lot of time to test it and be sure its stable.
     
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    Hi, Mussels.

    I see... The thing is, I'm ready to pay for great performance.. I don't have time tinkering with the hardware + I don't understand how to do it..
    For some reason I thought that this CPU can compete with i7. And turns out only FX9 series can.. (and not really)

    What i7 would you personally recommend under 300 euro?
    i7-4820K
    i7-4770K
    i7 3770K

    ?....

    The problem I have with intel CPU's is that they are ALL in the same price range..
    There are literally 10+ options for this price range. And I don't understand the
    differences they have (or the impact these differences would have on gaming).

    Would i7 improve performance by 50%?

    Also... this A10-7850K seems to be really loud (cooler), when under load.
     
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    I had a 750K, overclocked to 4.4Ghz (literally took 2 minutes, increased multi, set the vcore to 1.4v), all on a low profile cooler in an ITX case) paired with a GTX 780. I played damn near every game without a hitch. You people are far too dismissive. Sure it sucks balls at RTS games, but every other game in existence plays absolutely fine. An i5 is not necessary, it's just preferrable. Modern games don't care about the CPU.

    Just take a look at the games you play, search around forums and see if they are CPU load heavy. If not, no point in upgrading. If so, time to buy an i5.

    Overclocking is also not a necessity at all. You can happily get by with a stock i5 and a H97 motherboard. Saves you money, overclocking is not going to magically make games crazy fast. The gains are limited.

    EDIT: my recommendation is a Non-K i5, like the 4670 or whatever, and a midrange H97 board, with the decent USB 3 and features you feel you might like. i7's are completely unnecessary for gaming, they are a more frivolous part, few games will benefit greatly from the extra 4 threads.
     
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    Perhaps...

    But MMORPG's and RTS's are what it was meant for.. We're not really interested that much in FPS and such.
     
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    Then an i5 would be preferable, however from my knowledge most MMO's and RTS's only use a single cpu core, so a higher model i3 would do the job just as well. i3's have the extra oomph with their hyperthreading too, so the games that are capable of 4 threads will use them.

    Perhaps an i3 4360 or an i5 4590, either would serve you well with a H97 MoBo.

    Tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree, I get the impression you'd rather not spend copious amounts on this. If you have cash to splash, go Z97 and i5 4690K all the way.
     

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