Will you switch to Intel Core i7 ?

regan1985 · Nov 29, 2008

i am due an upgrade and was going for the q6600, but i am thinking ddr3 should be arround for a while so thats why i am waiting and will next year march time upgrade to the i7, onlything right now thats holding me back is not the price or the cpu or motherboard but the price of the ram, i feel they will drop just like ddr2 did and maybe even faster with the slow market!

plus you need to have 8gig for a good system i think! future proofing wise

LittleLizard · Nov 29, 2008

my deal here in uruguay is this.
as long as it work, i wont change it even if it is a piece of crap
of course, if get money, i will change but for a core 2 quad, the core i 7 mobos here are costing A LOT

Woody112 · Nov 30, 2008

I think the newest wave of needed upgrades is the the SSD's from the tradiational HDD's.
CPU performance for me right now is not that big of a deal. I'm always looking to get the latest hardware yes. But I always look to see what is going to give me the biggest performance gains over what I already have.
From the benchmarks I've seen the i7 offers little if any performance advantages in games, and my music and blue rays play fine now. Movie editing and photo shop is the only area I would see any real gain and that would be what 10%, tops... Seriously not even worth it.
However with SSD's maturing as fast as they are I think the smartest performance upgrade if you have a core 2 now is storage technology. Just my person opinion...

LiveOrDie · Nov 30, 2008

yer im upgrading in a month waiting for my board to come

getting my ram this week and cpu next week

Wile E · Nov 30, 2008

Woody112 said:
I think the newest wave of needed upgrades is the the SSD's from the tradiational HDD's.
CPU performance for me right now is not that big of a deal. I'm always looking to get the latest hardware yes. But I always look to see what is going to give me the biggest performance gains over what I already have.
From the benchmarks I've seen the i7 offers little if any performance advantages in games, and my music and blue rays play fine now. Movie editing and photo shop is the only area I would see any real gain and that would be what 10%, tops... Seriously not even worth it.
However with SSD's maturing as fast as they are I think the smartest performance upgrade if you have a core 2 now is storage technology. Just my person opinion...

Movie editing would see performance increases of 20%+ clock for clock.

eidairaman1 · Nov 30, 2008

Everyones Machine is only as fast as the weakest component, and that component is the HD.

Woody112 said:
I think the newest wave of needed upgrades is the the SSD's from the tradiational HDD's.
CPU performance for me right now is not that big of a deal. I'm always looking to get the latest hardware yes. But I always look to see what is going to give me the biggest performance gains over what I already have.
From the benchmarks I've seen the i7 offers little if any performance advantages in games, and my music and blue rays play fine now. Movie editing and photo shop is the only area I would see any real gain and that would be what 10%, tops... Seriously not even worth it.
However with SSD's maturing as fast as they are I think the smartest performance upgrade if you have a core 2 now is storage technology. Just my person opinion...

Mussels · Nov 30, 2008

eidairaman1 said:
Everyones Machine is only as fast as the weakest component, and that component is the HD.

never were truer words spoken. my god i want SSD's so bad.

As an example i missed earlier, people keep ranting on about their HDD's speed. Let me use the WD6400AAKS as an example. If you run HDtach, you may well see 100MB/s results at the insider platter of the HDD. the problem is that in real world use (and i own one of thse drives, btw) that its a lot less. i have mine full of data, and the average i get off it is 60-70MB/s because theres simply more parts of the drive that are slower than that one inner ring.

SSD's speeds are consistent throughout hte whole drive. its not 65-110MB/s like a fast mechanical drive, its 110MB/s over the whole thing (or in modern press releases, a solid 250MB/s)

eidairaman1 · Nov 30, 2008

Well i think i will hold off on SSDs due to fact they draw more power currently, and hopefully they will hold their data way better than current models a few years later, im usually slower to take to new tech, i mean example SATA, and now SSDs.

Mussels · Nov 30, 2008

eidairaman1 said:
Well i think i will hold off on SSDs due to fact they draw more power currently, and hopefully they will hold their data way better than current models a few years later, im usually slower to take to new tech, i mean example SATA, and now SSDs.

the power thing was proven false. tomshardware did another dodgy article, it was proven false and even listed so (although with more slippery wording), but the damage was done and people beleived it.

very early (first gen) SSD's used more power than a 2.5" laptop hard drive. Modern SSD's (we've gone through a few generations, at least 3) use less than a 2.5" hard drive. No SSD uses more than a 3.5" drive, or even remotely as much as drives with similar performance such as 10K RPM drives like WD's raptor series.

eidairaman1 · Nov 30, 2008

to me about Raptors, those are just glorified Server Drives that have been Reduced in Price yet cost more than other drives. But ya stuff like that takes me a few years to jump to, same goes for blue ray for me.

Duxx · Nov 30, 2008

Are those poll numbers correct? Nearly 7000 votes and only 160 comments.. alongside lots of people still sticking to AMD despite recent ownage by intel. :/

eidairaman1 · Nov 30, 2008

please don't start with people that have their preferences.

Darren · Nov 30, 2008

Duxx said:
Are those poll numbers correct? Nearly 7000 votes and only 160

Well I'm guessing that unregistered readers of the website can vote as well, and hence why there is less comments than votes.

Duxx said:
people still sticking to AMD despite recent own age by intel. :/

You must be psychic because there isn't much in terms of benchmarks of the AM3 Phenom II and the i7's have just been released, so saying "recent" ownage is flawed. Wait for both processors to be released to the mass market and mature slightly before making fanboy comments.

Secondly not everyone can afford a CPU that "owns", not everyone here is rich.

sheps999 · Nov 30, 2008

eidairaman1 said:
to me about Raptors, those are just glorified Server Drives that have been Reduced in Price yet cost more than other drives. But ya stuff like that takes me a few years to jump to, same goes for blue ray for me.

Same here. A decent SATA drive is plenty fast enough for me.

But yeah, I'm gonna stick with Core 2. My T5500 is fast enough for most of the things I want, and if I want to start any intensive stuff like video-editing, I can wait for it to crank through

Woody112 · Nov 30, 2008

Wile E said:
Movie editing would see performance increases of 20%+ clock for clock.

Wow, didn't think it was that much more clock for clock. I'll pry end up switching CPU's again when they do a die shrink again. Eveyone here keeps talking something about a 35nm i7 comming out end of 09-10 or something. Cant remember which thread I was hearing it from though.

I was one of the dumb asses that spent 550 bucks on a Pentium D 950 at release just to have it spanked by the E6600 4 months later. Just to find out the E6600 wasn't compatable with the x955 board that I had bought for the D950.
So I was forced to buy the 975xbx2 then upgraded to the q6600, was able to keep the memory I had in the 955, yay.
Then the 45nm quads came out what 8 months later, yup forced to switch boards again, and memory this time.
Intel is seriously pissing me off with all of this. Every time they come out with a new CPU I have to upgrade the board. Being an enthusist, thats another 300 bucks easy. Plus I'd have to switch memory again, now thats 600 dollars:shadedshu
add the CPU in on that I'd go for the 965EE so now were taling 1600 dollars. Just for what 20% increase in the little video editing that I do.
Think I'll drop that 1600 bucks on some SSD's that I wont have to upgrade for another 5+ years.
To be completly honest I'm not upgrading this time simply because I want a break and my bank account needs a break.

Mussels · Nov 30, 2008

Woody112 said:
Wow, didn't think it was that much more clock for clock. I'll pry end up switching CPU's again when they do a die shrink again. Eveyone here keeps talking something about a 35nm i7 comming out end of 09-10 or something. Cant remember which thread I was hearing it from though.

I was one of the dumb asses that spent 550 bucks on a Pentium D 950 at release just to have it spanked by the E6600 4 months later. Just to find out the E6600 wasn't compatable with the x955 board that I had bought for the D950.
So I was forced to buy the 975xbx2 then upgraded to the q6600, was able to keep the memory I had in the 955, yay.
Then the 45nm quads came out what 8 months later, yup forced to switch boards again, and memory this time.
Intel is seriously pissing me off with all of this. Every time they come out with a new CPU I have to upgrade the board. Being an enthusist, thats another 300 bucks easy. Plus I'd have to switch memory again, now thats 600 dollars:shadedshu
add the CPU in on that I'd go for the 965EE so now were taling 1600 dollars. Just for what 20% increase in the little video editing that I do.
Think I'll drop that 1600 bucks on some SSD's that I wont have to upgrade for another 5+ years.
To be completly honest I'm not upgrading this time simply because I want a break and my bank account needs a break.

AMD users are getting shafted as well.
Oh noes, your AM2 board cant run phenoms.
Oh noes, your AM2+ board cant run your 125W AM2 CPU
oh noes, your AM2+ nor your AM2 board can run this 125W AM2+ CPU either.

Morgoth · Nov 30, 2008

Woody112 said:
Wow, didn't think it was that much more clock for clock. I'll pry end up switching CPU's again when they do a die shrink again. Eveyone here keeps talking something about a 35nm i7 comming out end of 09-10 or something. Cant remember which thread I was hearing it from though.

I was one of the dumb asses that spent 550 bucks on a Pentium D 950 at release just to have it spanked by the E6600 4 months later. Just to find out the E6600 wasn't compatable with the x955 board that I had bought for the D950.
So I was forced to buy the 975xbx2 then upgraded to the q6600, was able to keep the memory I had in the 955, yay.
Then the 45nm quads came out what 8 months later, yup forced to switch boards again, and memory this time.
Intel is seriously pissing me off with all of this. Every time they come out with a new CPU I have to upgrade the board. Being an enthusist, thats another 300 bucks easy. Plus I'd have to switch memory again, now thats 600 dollars:shadedshu
add the CPU in on that I'd go for the 965EE so now were taling 1600 dollars. Just for what 20% increase in the little video editing that I do.
Think I'll drop that 1600 bucks on some SSD's that I wont have to upgrade for another 5+ years.
To be completly honest I'm not upgrading this time simply because I want a break and my bank account needs a break.

no one is forcing you to upgrade

Woody112 · Nov 30, 2008

Mussels said:
AMD users are getting shafted as well.
Oh noes, your AM2 board cant run phenoms.
Oh noes, your AM2+ board cant run your 125W AM2 CPU
oh noes, your AM2+ nor your AM2 board can run this 125W AM2+ CPU either.

I feel ya on that. Crap is crazy.

Morgoth said:
no one is forcing you to upgrade

I know no one is forcing me to upgrade but realize that I had a P4 and needed a true dual core at the time.
Little did I know that they would just slap two P4 together. I was ignorant then. LOL
Then the E6600 came out and spanked the Pentium D to hell and back clock for clock. So of course this was a logical upgrade.
Then I bought a quad core and seen the light "Q6600"
The only real upgrade that I made by choice was my recent build with the 9770 and my x48.
Still managed to do that upgrade for less than a grand.
Just gets old after a while, you get your programs and everything running the way you want and bam, new board=reinstalling everything and starting all over.
Now if I did decide to upgrade again your telling me that my memory is no good because it runs at 1.85v and I have to purchace new ddr3 compliant memory for the i7.
Now if the new memory was a god send to the previous ddr3, then yes you could justify it. But its not, it offers nothing in terms of performance over the memory I have now. Just another marketing ploy to sell more memory. I'm every bit confident that intel could have designed their chips to be 100% compliant with current memory.
The funny thing is that rummor has it that they will be changing their pin array again on the next gen of CPU's. I have no proof of this though just rummors.
This is why I'm skipping this wave of head ache's all together.

Binge · Nov 30, 2008

nobody said you had to buy new ddr3 for i7

they're just using binned ram that operates at high frequencies with loose timings at low volts. I intend to use my current ddr3 for i7.

Alexandr82 · Dec 1, 2008

Nehalem also has a TLB bug
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10707&Itemid=1

r9 · Dec 1, 2008

The i7 is way way ...way way way over my budget. But if I was filthy rich I wouldn`t get that shit or maybe I would if I was filthy filthy ... filthy filthy filthy rich

It will fit nice with my 6x24"+ monitors

MarcusTaz · Dec 2, 2008

Alexandr82 said:
Nehalem also has a TLB bug
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10707&Itemid=1

Yup read the same thing, ironic is it not?

Nehalem also has a TLB bug so for that kind of money, no thanks, I will stick with my Q6600. heck my Opteron 165 still rocks and to be honest I wonder why I even upgraded my main rig to an Intel Quad Core as the older rig still rocks!

Page 37 of the Intel Manual for the Core i7

AAJ1. Clarification of TRANSLATION LOOKASIDE BUFFERS (TLBS)
Invalidation
Section 10.9 INVALIDATING THE TRANSLATION LOOKASIDE BUFFERS (TLBS) of the
Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual, Volume 3A: System
Programming Guide will be modified to include the presence of page table structure
caches, such as the page directory cache, which Intel processors implement. This
information is needed to aid operating systems in managing page table structure
invalidations properly.
Intel will update the Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual,
Volume 3A: System Programming Guide in the coming months. Until that time, an
application note, TLBs, Paging-Structure Caches, and Their Invalidation (http://
www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/index.htm), is available which provides
more information on the paging structure caches and TLB invalidation.
In rare instances, improper TLB invalidation may result in unpredictable system
behavior, such as system hangs or incorrect data. Developers of operating systems
should take this documentation into account when designing TLB invalidation
algorithms. For the processors affected, Intel has provided a recommended update to
system and BIOS vendors to incorporate into their BIOS to resolve this issue.

spearman914 · Dec 2, 2008

MarcusTaz said:
Nehalem also has a TLB bug so for that kind of money, no thanks, I will stick with my Q6600. Heck my Opteron 165 still rocks in my backup rig and to be honest I wonder why I even upgraded my main rig to an Intel Quad Core. Seems like a waste of money in hind sight

Page 37 of the Intel Manual for the Core i7

AAJ1. Clarification of TRANSLATION LOOKASIDE BUFFERS (TLBS)
Invalidation
Section 10.9 INVALIDATING THE TRANSLATION LOOKASIDE BUFFERS (TLBS) of the
Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual, Volume 3A: System
Programming Guide will be modified to include the presence of page table structure
caches, such as the page directory cache, which Intel processors implement. This
information is needed to aid operating systems in managing page table structure
invalidations properly.
Intel will update the Intel® 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual,
Volume 3A: System Programming Guide in the coming months. Until that time, an
application note, TLBs, Paging-Structure Caches, and Their Invalidation (http://
www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/index.htm), is available which provides
more information on the paging structure caches and TLB invalidation.
In rare instances, improper TLB invalidation may result in unpredictable system
behavior, such as system hangs or incorrect data. Developers of operating systems
should take this documentation into account when designing TLB invalidation
algorithms. For the processors affected, Intel has provided a recommended update to
system and BIOS vendors to incorporate into their BIOS to resolve this issue.

Yea kinda sorry for the people who bought it. Seems like i'll have to wait again for some more interesting stuff.

MarcusTaz · Dec 2, 2008

Yea correct me if I am wrong but this bug was fixed by MS via a patch for the Phenom and if what I read was accurate it had an impact on performance. Silly if you ask me, all that money and you get a drop in performance for a design flaw? Who is to blame Intel, AMD or MS?

Wile E · Dec 2, 2008

The Phenom got a bad rap with the TLB bug. It didn't affect nearly anyone. It just doesn't come into play with normal desktop apps. I'm willing to bet the i7 erratum is more of the same.

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