Windows Vista: The Facts

[Ehstii]

1:30 with hd2600
3:30 with onboard
(i can switch, oh yeah baby)
yours runs as cool as mine, maybe cooler since macbooks hardware sucks ass and doesn't heat up,
and why the hell you want a pretty laptop?
brag?
mac - hey my laptop is prettier than yours
me - oh really?, who gives a f*** about pretiness?
and all white isn't what i call pretty

first off, its black. and its sweeter than anything you can put in front of it.

and because my shit doesnt heat up as much as yours means my hardware is shitty? is it just me or dont people want thier stuff to run cooler so it runs better and last longer?


and i get 6 hours out of my laptop, with pretty much whatever im doing...

 

[Ehstii]

asb2106,

thank you for actually reading what im saying. because i am talking about the average user...not a power user.

which pt does not understand.

 

[joinmeindeath417]

The end of the conversation should very well be.

UNLESS you have used both OS's thoroughly you really cannot argue it because than you just become a fan boy.

i use both i am a pc tech and also a mac tech at a computer store.

so please just leave it alone its stupid to argue with fanboys of both operating systems each system has its up's and each has its downs

here are a few

Windows

+gaming library is huge
+can be tweaked with setting clocks

-is way more prone to virus's than a mac
-crashes more frequently than macs (i mean the blue screen)
-believe it or not is not as user friendly as mac os x (and by user friendly i mean for the common computer user that doesn't understand more than internet, to install things on mac is fairly easy compared to a pc usually its a click drag drop operation)


OS X

+utilizes the intel components alot better than pc's (this is proven through many benchmarks and no i dont mean gaming)
+Hardly ever crashes and i don't even think the mac os has a "blue screen"
+not prone to virus's like a windows based pc

-gaming library is weak.
-isn't as much mac compatible hardware as pc
-isn't much to do with what comes out of the box concidering it is ready out of the box and there isn't much you can do to the operating system well, not nearly as much as windows.


so either way there is no clear winner it all depends on what we are talking about.

if we are talking gaming than fine pc takes the win

if we are talking encoding video editing photo editing etc than obviously the pc is the loser.


im going to run some benchmarks on windows vista, and mac os x the SAME games and the SAME bench mark on my black macbook, i have vista installed with bootcamp.

i'll post my findings when its done to clear up the argument

 

[pt]

first off, its black. and its sweeter than anything you can put in front of it.

and because my shit doesnt heat up as much as yours means my hardware is shitty? is it just me or dont people want thier stuff to run cooler so it runs better and last longer?


and i get 6 hours out of my laptop, with pretty much whatever im doing...

pretty or not is an opinion, imo all macs are fugly and should be put to fire.
my gfx is much better so it heat up more, on onboard mode it barely heats up and is still better than the intel onboard you have that barely heats up, but you can barely do anythign 3d with it, and my runs cool, just not as cold as yours 'cause they heat up more, since they're better

and i my battery never run out on me so far, so 4 hours is plenty
got my point?

ps: yes i used a mac

 

[Ehstii]

ps: yes i used a mac

used?

for how long? one day...

 

[Triprift]

ps: yes i used a mac

That definitly qualifys for a

 

[joinmeindeath417]

uh barley plays 3d games hmmm..i got that onboard intel 945m gpu and im playing postal 2 with over 40fps and for a laptop im sorry a MAC not ment for gaming it plays it pretty well concidering onboard graphics.

 

[Ehstii]

pretty or not is an opinion, imo all macs are fugly and should be put to fire.
my gfx is much better so it heat up more, on onboard mode it barely heats up and is still better than the intel onboard you have that barely heats up, but you can barely do anythign 3d with it, and my runs cool, just not as cold as yours 'cause they heat up more, since they're better

and how can you say that macs cant do anything 3D when Apples whole advertising market stradegy is all about designing and 3D stuff

 

[pt]

and how can you say that macs cant do anything 3D when Apples whole advertising market stradegy is all about designing and 3D stuff

some days i have to use a mac (this is when i can get it to work correctly) especially in classes
and you can do 3d on a intel gma950, just no much, don't advise to do any major stuff on it..., and i call that misadvertising

 

[Triprift]

Oh who cares lets not get a mac vista/xp flame war going if you like mac then more power to you i say. And that last post as you see from my sig ill use ne excuse to nutkick pt.

 

[joinmeindeath417]

Oh who cares lets not get a mac vista/xp flame war going if you like mac then more power to you i say. And that last post as you see from my sig ill use ne excuse to nutkick pt.

exactly what i was trying to say

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

How about from this point forward, everyone just shut up about mac vs xp vs vista. This is getting tiresome and childish.

 

[zatblast]

vista came oem on my laptop its still there... but fedoras next to it and set to boot first... short version i dont really wanna go count up how many times it crashed on me back in my first 2 weeks or so of using it would estimate somewhere between 30 and 50 times.... can go check the logs though if you really want an accurate count xD although all but 4 times were caused by vista not getting along with zip genius...

anyways... once that was resolved and about a month later i started to uh "start" likeing it... still dont like it that much but eh

 

[Triprift]

As far as im concerned the problem with Vista was it did what consumers and hardware manufactuers didnt want wich was to drag them kicking and screaming to the modern age. Honestly if we didnt have Vista weed have everyone with 1 gig or less and gpus would be poor as cus weed still be having dx9 as the benchmark. And if you think Vista is to bloated you can use vlite to strip it back.

 

[Mussels]

vista came oem on my laptop its still there... but fedoras next to it and set to boot first... short version i dont really wanna go count up how many times it crashed on me back in my first 2 weeks or so of using it would estimate somewhere between 30 and 50 times.... can go check the logs though if you really want an accurate count xD although all but 4 times were caused by vista not getting along with zip genius...

anyways... once that was resolved and about a month later i started to uh "start" likeing it... still dont like it that much but eh

thats another one that can be chalked up to a 3rd party app and not vista.
Far too many coders take lazy shortcuts that only work on one OS - thats the way its been sinec windows 95 was upgraded to 98, programs just kept failing every OS and evereyone blames the OS before realising its the application at fault.

Anyway what is zip genius? whats it got over winrar or 7zip?

 

[zatblast]

tis got me using it... lol

and your right about it having been a 3rd party thing but i shall not stop blaming vista for it... glass is half full or half empty thing well that applies here so its still vistas fault, no changing that xD

anyways needed to do something or another probably unzip something, way back i dunno when or what it was and winrar failed me so stumbled upon zip genius and well *shrug* thats what i use...

 

[Mussels]

tis got me using it... lol

and your right about it having been a 3rd party thing but i shall not stop blaming vista for it... glass is half full or half empty thing well that applies here so its still vistas fault, no changing that xD

anyways needed to do something or another probably unzip something, way back i dunno when or what it was and winrar failed me so stumbled upon zip genius and well *shrug* thats what i use...

its vistas fault it doesnt work in vistas, apples fault it doesnt work on a mac, and sonys fault it doesnt work on a PS3. Its the programs fault, go email the devs and ask them to update it.

 

[zatblast]

no not apples or sonys faults for things that dont work on them from third parties, just vistas... and the devs had it updated shortly after the problem was recognized... just took me too long to realize what was the problem but something also tells me i should have shutup probably 3 posts ago... so i shall do that starting
~~now

 

[Kreij]

I really enjoy reading some of the PC vs. Mac threads. They are more entertaining that the other fanboi threads in that the hate seems to be more deeply rooted on both sides and it brings out sort of a demented eloquence in the writers. I really think that people should use the computers that work best for them as that is really the whole reason for owning one.

Anyway ...

Vista worked straight out of the box for me on a brand new build without having to load any additional drivers (see specs). Never had this luxury with XP. For instance, I just bought a new Nikon DSLR camera. Vista saw it, knew what it was and handles all picture manipulation without having to load any additional thrird party software. Same for my older Sony camera. Vista has, by far, more compatibility with more devices than any OS I have ever used.

The only gripe I have with Vista is slow transfer rates and MS said this will be fixed in SP1, so I am looking forward to the update.

I'm not saying Vista is without problems, only that it is extremely stable and a pleasure to work with if you give it a chance.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

no not apples or sonys faults for things that dont work on them from third parties, just vistas... and the devs had it updated shortly after the problem was recognized... just took me too long to realize what was the problem but something also tells me i should have shutup probably 3 posts ago... so i shall do that starting
~~now

No. How can say ZoneAlarm not be at fault for not supporting Vista (at that time)? You tell me how that is Microsoft's problem?

 

[zatblast]

question, i was not following close enough at the time but before vista was publicly released what were the requirements to get a development version so that programs could be made ready for the switch? by this I dont mean the public beta or torrents, I mean microsoft truely going out of its way to produce information for software developers...
((no not dissing it for this ((unless they didnt)) just this was one of the problems I think apple went through... but wasent paying too much attention to that either))

 

[Kreij]

No. How can say ZoneAlarm not be at fault for not supporting Vista (at that time)? You tell me how that is Microsoft's problem?

IT's obviously Microsoft's fault for not making every stinking piece of software ever written for windows backward compaitable to Windows 1.0

 

[Mussels]

I really enjoy reading some of the PC vs. Mac threads. They are more entertaining that the other fanboi threads in that the hate seems to be more deeply rooted on both sides and it brings out sort of a demented eloquence in the writers. I really think that people should use the computers that work best for them as that is really the whole reason for owning one.

Anyway ...

Vista worked straight out of the box for me on a brand new build without having to load any additional drivers (see specs). Never had this luxury with XP. For instance, I just bought a new Nikon DSLR camera. Vista saw it, knew what it was and handles all picture manipulation without having to load any additional thrird party software. Same for my older Sony camera. Vista has, by far, more compatibility with more devices than any OS I have ever used.

The only gripe I have with Vista is slow transfer rates and MS said this will be fixed in SP1, so I am looking forward to the update.

I'm not saying Vista is without problems, only that it is extremely stable and a pleasure to work with if you give it a chance.

The hotfixes that are in SP1 for that are actually available outside of SP1.
I should probably upload them somewhere but at around 50MB (uncompressed) i am unsure where to upload them and keep them there. (i have both 32 and 64 bit versions in this package)

If someone gives me a place to upload them, i'll happily pass them on to you guys.

 

[Mussels]

no not apples or sonys faults for things that dont work on them from third parties, just vistas... and the devs had it updated shortly after the problem was recognized... just took me too long to realize what was the problem but something also tells me i should have shutup probably 3 posts ago... so i shall do that starting
~~now

realising a mistake is the first step towards correcting it.

It helps having gone through several OS updates, people love blaming the thing right in front of them instead of actually determining the true cause.

 

[Kreij]

people love blaming the thing right in front of them instead of actually determining the true cause.

The wind chill factor here at the moment is about -35F. I am thinking of sueing MS as it must be due to global warming caused by the production of Vista DVDs.

I like Vista, but I am also looking forward to MS's next OS. Not sure when that will be or what it will contain, but tech is my thing and I love playing with it. If anyone comes up with an OS that is so easy and painless that people no longer need IT departments, I am out of a job.

New OS. See the Pain, Feel the Pain, Enjoy the Pain, be able to put dinner on the table.