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  1. imperialreign

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    Thanks! Personally, I like the Thief one myself, but I'm biased that way (been a fan of the Thief series since 98 when The Dark Project was released) . . .

    Ummm . . . CMSS-3D sig, sure - have anything specific in mind, a specific game or otherwise?

    Same goes with the EAX sigs . . . if anyone can recommend any other game (that does support EAX), I'll whip up a sig for it.

    I'm debating adding them to post#1.
  2. Russtavo Guest

    Ok, here's an update: I installed the latest VLC player. Set to "Stereo" everything plays fine. If I set it to "A/52 over S/PDIF", the amp correctly detects DTS and Dolby Digital, but playback is extremely juddery (and I mean bad! Both picture and sound) :wtf:

    I don't know how to solve this one :banghead:
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    Set the output sample rate in the Creative Console to 96 KHz and try this again.
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    agreed.


    and, if running a different 3rd party app actually works, then it's some issue with PowerDVD, IMO - now to just nail the jello to the wall . . .
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    Ok, tried this, I get the same horrendous stuttering. Played with every possible VLC setting (WaveOUT, etc.). No difference :twitch:

    Not that I want to use VLC, it was just a test. Is there nothing out there apart from PowerDVD that I can use for Blu-Ray playback that supports ATI Hardware Acceleration? I'd still need to nail this audio problem though. Any more ideas? :confused:
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    How do people feel about monster speaker cable? do you think it will make a difference once my card is hooked up via S/PDIF?

    also its decided im upgrading to and X-fi Prelude.
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    Not sure what you mean by that. If it means a low resistance copper coaxial cable then it still doesn't make a big difference if it's short distance since that's a digital interconnect. Aah, one way of looking at it would be that as it is, a coaxial cable adds to the latency over optical and that a low-res good quality co-ax cable would be a good connect between your card and the receiver. If you're hinting at the connection between the amplifier and the speaker, it solely depends on the speakers' parameters.

    Thattaboy! :toast: but don't expect a big change. There would be a change no doubt but not seriously much. I moved from a Xtreme Gamer to this card. The digital and front_panel audio output is pure gold, front channel is a screaming 5V.
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    Think I have a handle on the problem - Taken from Wikipedia:

    Applications communicate with the audio driver through Sessions, and these Sessions are programmed through the Windows Audio Session API (WASAPI). In general, WASAPI operates in two modes. In exclusive mode (also called DMA mode), unmixed audio streams are rendered directly to the audio adapter and no other application's audio will play and signal processing has no effect. Exclusive mode is useful for applications that demand the least amount of intermediate processing of the audio data or those that want to output compressed audio data such as Dolby Digital, DTS or WMA Pro over S/PDIF. WASAPI exclusive mode is similar to kernel streaming in function, but no kernel mode programming is required.

    It seems Media Player/Centre is using exclusive WASAPI, hence why it works great and third-party apps like PowerDVD aren't using it, thus my problem. Seems there is no solution :cry:
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    actually i was planning on using optical, and using monster speaker cable from the sub woofer to to the speakers on my Z-5500's.

    also how do you like the driver/software package for the prelude compared to the creative cards?
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    Same drivers, just a couple of strings and graphics changed (where you had the creative logo, you have Auzen). No change. The latest driver allows DTS Interactive, etc. that's all.
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    I have QED silver anniversary speaker cable on my speakers and it DOES make a differance.Most people use bell wire(crappy thin wire) on their speakers,just no.
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    Co-axial SPDIF cable might not since it's just a path for digital transmission and signal-loss occurs only if the cable is too long (due to the resistance).

    But you were right, and were hinting at the analogue cable that connects the amplifier to the speaker.
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    Yeah, but it doesn't have to be the overpriced Monter Cable stuff, or anything similar. Just buy standard 12ga speaker wire, and you'll never hear the difference between it and the premium stuff.
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    for the most part - but high end, sensitive speakers will pick up EMI through standard speaker wire. You'll never hear the faint static and clicking on low end components, though - unless you route your speaker wires near some powerful appliances.

    I still tend to recommend shielded cable for most people - it's not much more expensive, really.


    The only thing you could keep hopeful about would be a driver update for PowerDVD that works around that issue - if indeed that's what the problem is. I had kinda gotten that feeling from what I've been able to research on the problem, hence why I recommended installing ALchemy and OpenAL - I wasn't sure how PowerDVD interacted with both Vista and the X-Fi hardware. Most people only report being able to use 2 channel stereo with PowerDVD . . .

    As to the suttering . . . if you feel comofortable enough to go into your SYS BIOS . . . look for a setting entitled PCI Latency, and increase that one step. If it's currently set at 32, set it to 64 or 96. Giving the card a bit longer of a hold on the PCI BUS might resolve the suttering issue.
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    Most of the EMI that infiltrates the audio signal happens on the input side of things, not after the signal has already been amplified. More often than not, it's caused by ground feedback, although there are other sources to consider. Use shielded cable for all of your source connections, and you'll be fine. The only exceptions might be if, like you stated, you run your speaker wire past some heavy duty appliances that have nice, big electric motors, but in reality, you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

    As an example, I have a pair of Polk Monitor 70s on my setup. I have them running thru an Onkyo DS696. I know it's not the highest end of setups, but it is very good. I used to have an EMI problem with my setup, once I switched to shielded source cables, the problem disappeared.
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    well, kinda what I meant - output coming from the card itself. Once the feed hits an amplifier, it's generally safe from there. Your average units nowadays that run from the rig to the amplifier/subwoofer enclosure tend to be alright from the sub to the speakers. Even still, most setups nowadays make use of shielded cables to begin with - especially the higher end units. The only time it would prob be more of a concern, is if your outputs run to a splitter of some sort - where an input is split between two or three different channels, and all you use is your standard speaker wire that plugs into both the unit and the speaker itself (as composed to speakers now where the input line is attached right out of the box).

    Good example of types of stereo setups where EMI is really common is car stereos. I can't count the number of aftermarket setups I've heard where you can clearly hear audio interference from various vehicle components . . . even if everything has been properly grounded, too.
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    Is there any way to hook up Front panel Audio to my X-fi Fatality Extreme gamer?
    Are there any documentation on the pin outs?

    Thank you
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    Depends, which Xtreme Gamer card do you have?

    If it's the standard Xtreme Gamer, the newer revisions have an Azalia connector on them, it will also work with AC97.

    If you have an Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty card: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=651670&postcount=274

    original instructions for making an adapter that will connect to the 10-pin connector: http://audigy2zshowto.blogspot.com/

    a few reputable sites even sell those connectors already made for a small fee
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    This might be useful!
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    I think that's the clearest image of a Creative proprietary connector I've ever seen! :toast:

    For anyone that's wondering, the Audigy and X-Fi card's use the exact same connector and pinout, as that image demonstrates.
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    TBH, I really don't see the need for a link to the Sound Blaster timeline in this thread . . . seeing as how I'm attempting to cover only X-Fi models, and the fact that very few users actually make use of anything prior to the Live! models anymore.

    TBH, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, either. If it makes you feel any better, I've owned at least one card from every Sound Blaster incarnation over the years, minus anything from the Audigy lineup; so, that timeline is kinda pointless for me, as I've been there, done that . . .
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    This needs to be stickied.
    I want a sound card that can handle 128 voices. My Audigy II is a good card but it handles only 64. Will the Audigy 3 handle 128 voices? Will the Audigy 4? Or do I need an X-Fi card? If so, which one should I get? I've heard horror stories of X-Fi cards that are re-branded audigies or something and didn't handle X-Fi technology (worth a shit).

    You wouldn't mind some free advertising would you? (I.E. me taking the sig pic, using it and also making the pic a link to this thread)
    Crunching for Team TPU
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    You're lucky. Newegg has a rebate for you, X-Fi Xtreme Gamer (CA20-K1 processor) that will effectively cost you $ 55.69 (shipping included, comes with a $30 MIR) clicky.

    No.
    That's just the Xtreme Audio PCI. Stay away from this card. It's just a Audigy 4 SE + Crystalizer + CMSS 3D, etc. No gaming advantages.

    Go ahead.
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    I wasn't planning on OMG I WANT ONE NOW, I was gonna get one with my birthday money (plus a video card of course).

    I see Audigy 4's going CHEAPO on Ebay. Do these handle 128 voices?
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