x1950 pro Crossfire problems and solutions.

[TKZPOW]

Molex connector on Intel D975xbx2

Lazzer,

If I were you (IMHO), rather than buy an xbox I would return those pieces of crap PRO cards and get one good x1950 or x1950xtx card and save your money for a second one later. Also as TKPenalty stated it might be a good idea to upgrade your cpu at some point as that has as much to do with performance as the graphics cards do. I know it meets the minimum requirements but keep in mind they are minimum. Also xbox games are priced a bit higher than the PC games and the prices for PC games come down faster than xbox. I paid $30 for FEAR on PC and it costs $70 for xbox. Also your computer is a hell of a lot more versatile than an xbox.

 

[Lazzer408]

Lazzer,

If I were you (IMHO), rather than buy an xbox I would return those pieces of crap PRO cards and get one good x1950 or x1950xtx card and save your money for a second one later. Also as TKPenalty stated it might be a good idea to upgrade your cpu at some point as that has as much to do with performance as the graphics cards do. I know it meets the minimum requirements but keep in mind they are minimum. Also xbox games are priced a bit higher than the PC games and the prices for PC games come down faster than xbox. I paid $30 for FEAR on PC and it costs $70 for xbox. Also your computer is a hell of a lot more versatile than an xbox.

It's not my only computer. I have others I use for audio/music and another is my media PC. This one was just for gaming. I'm getting a 6600 for this one and might swap it out with my music pc but I'll see how the benchmarks do with that cpu. I don't think my current cpu has much to do with the low framerates in games but it does account for the lower 3dmark05/06 scores. Crossfire enabled should help with every game though. I don't see even 1fps with anything but 3dmark06. That is the only application showing any improvement using crossfire over a single card. Maybe this is a warning to all the x1950pro potential buyers trying to get crossfire as cheap as they can. Well, DON'T BUY THE X1950PRO, IT DOESN'T WORK IN CROSSFIRE!! lol

Anyone interested in my motherboard of graphics cards?

Thanks to all who have responded.

 

[tkpenalty]

It's not my only computer. I have others I use for audio/music and another is my media PC. This one was just for gaming. I'm getting a 6600 for this one and might swap it out with my music pc but I'll see how the benchmarks do with that cpu. I don't think my current cpu has much to do with the low framerates in games but it does account for the lower 3dmark05/06 scores. Crossfire enabled should help with every game though. I don't see even 1fps with anything but 3dmark06. That is the only application showing any improvement using crossfire over a single card. Maybe this is a warning to all the x1950pro potential buyers trying to get crossfire as cheap as they can. Well, DON'T BUY THE X1950PRO, IT DOESN'T WORK IN CROSSFIRE!! lol

Anyone interested in my motherboard of graphics cards?

Thanks to all who have responded.

Sure about that man? You are a special person .
Do you even know how crossfire works? You probably set it in SUPER AA mode; hence no performance increase. 6600 Is not up for gaming dude.

 

[tkpenalty]

Lazzer,

If I were you (IMHO), rather than buy an xbox I would return those pieces of crap PRO cards and get one good x1950 or x1950xtx card and save your money for a second one later. Also as TKPenalty stated it might be a good idea to upgrade your cpu at some point as that has as much to do with performance as the graphics cards do. I know it meets the minimum requirements but keep in mind they are minimum. Also xbox games are priced a bit higher than the PC games and the prices for PC games come down faster than xbox. I paid $30 for FEAR on PC and it costs $70 for xbox. Also your computer is a hell of a lot more versatile than an xbox.

Um to you

There is no such thing as an X1950 specifically.

 

[Lazzer408]

I'm sure he means xt ...or should

 

[tkpenalty]

I'm sure he means xt ...or should

Actually doing some research... Lazzer408, your CPU Is probably bottlenecking the overall performance of the whole system. Pentium 4s are budget chips right now (celeron have been discontiuned)... I find it weird that you spent so much on the whole system except for the CPU.

 

[Lazzer408]

Actually doing some research... Lazzer408, your CPU Is probably bottlenecking the overall performance of the whole system. Pentium 4s are budget chips right now (celeron have been discontiuned)... I find it weird that you spent so much on the whole system except for the CPU.

First answer = $$$. I can't afford a CPU now that I spent that money on ram per. ATI's request for "crossfire certified" memory. So I'm stuck with another gig sitting around and another $150 out the window. Thanks ATI! If everyone else's applications run fine on my memory and there's some need for "certified memory" for ONE product, who's issue is it?

I tried a P4D 3.0. Not that that's saying much but it was the only other CPU I could get to try. I've ran this 3.4 chip up to 230fsbx17=3910. I can't imagine that being a bottleneck. Pick a game that wouldn't be much of a workout for a CPU like Quake 3. A timedemo gets me 300fps. Turn on crossfire and another timedemo gets me 300fps. Another example is Quake4, Fear, or Halflife2 with the effects turned up just till I just start to notice the framerates drop. Usually around 40fps. When I turn on crossfire it should be enough of a bump that the barely noticable lag would stop. This is not the case. Also remember one card is cold and the other one could fry an egg. Clearly that shows the second card isn't processing. It's a crossfire issue ATI needs to figure out soon or they lost a (another?)customer. I'm still waiting to hear back from them. I'll call them if I have 2 hours free tomorrow.

HEY ATI!!

 

[micron]

I don't know if it's relevant to post this here, but I have an X1900GT, and at christmas I bought a second one for Crossfire. After installing it and enabling Crossfire in my control panel, I got a zero gain in performance....nothing...zilch.

My cpu is only a little Venice 3000+, but it's overclocked to 2.6Ghz. I could simply have a cpu bottleneck, but you'd think I'd see a performance gain in something. I was so disappointed that I sold the second GT to a friend. Right now I'm a believer that Crossfire simply sucks. I like my Crossfire motherboard though at least.

 

[tkpenalty]

I don't know if it's relevant to post this here, but I have an X1900GT, and at christmas I bought a second one for Crossfire. After installing it and enabling Crossfire in my control panel, I got a zero gain in performance....nothing...zilch.

My cpu is only a little Venice 3000+, but it's overclocked to 2.6Ghz. I could simply have a cpu bottleneck, but you'd think I'd see a performance gain in something. I was so disappointed that I sold the second GT to a friend. Right now I'm a believer that Crossfire simply sucks. I like my Crossfire motherboard though at least.

Is one of them a master and one of them a slave?

 

[tkpenalty]

First answer = $$$. I can't afford a CPU now that I spent that money on ram per. ATI's request for "crossfire certified" memory. So I'm stuck with another gig sitting around and another $150 out the window. Thanks ATI! If everyone else's applications run fine on my memory and there's some need for "certified memory" for ONE product, who's issue is it?

I tried a P4D 3.0. Not that that's saying much but it was the only other CPU I could get to try. I've ran this 3.4 chip up to 230fsbx17=3910. I can't imagine that being a bottleneck. Pick a game that wouldn't be much of a workout for a CPU like Quake 3. A timedemo gets me 300fps. Turn on crossfire and another timedemo gets me 300fps. Another example is Quake4, Fear, or Halflife2 with the effects turned up just till I just start to notice the framerates drop. Usually around 40fps. When I turn on crossfire it should be enough of a bump that the barely noticable lag would stop. This is not the case. Also remember one card is cold and the other one could fry an egg. Clearly that shows the second card isn't processing. It's a crossfire issue ATI needs to figure out soon or they lost a (another?)customer. I'm still waiting to hear back from them. I'll call them if I have 2 hours free tomorrow.

HEY ATI!!

Why did you buy so many motherboards then? Each one = 1 Core 2 Duo

I think I know why Moderators steered away from this thread. I shall to... libellious poster >_>

EDIT:

http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?...sk=view&id=433&Itemid=14&limit=1&limitstart=3
Thats to shut you up.

I think this is going more towards false bullshit... it DOES work. How do we know you were an ATI fan anyway? You said "I got the two PROs replaced" and so did the rest of the hardware. Those photos probably aren't even yours, seriously. If you go that you are so loyal to ati, whats with that post that you just blurted out?

 

[DRDNA]

Dude i dont see memory playing too much of a role, i ran crossfire with 2x512 OCZ DDR550 and 1X512 GskillDDR600 and no issues also runs fine on kingmax DDR500 , but i guess in some very very rare situtions ?maybe?

 

[tkpenalty]

Lazzer, we could help you if you added your system specs to the drop down menu thingy in the control panel. So far your findings sound like a hoax.

 

[DRDNA]

would also like to mention I have been running crossfire fire since the very first day the x1800XT hit the web for sale and I have really never had an issue ...Crossfire gives me gains in almost all situations....I did notice that the first bench in 3dm05 doesn't seem to benefit too much at all from CF but in all my game (NFSMW,NFScarbon,halo,UT2004,Fear,Farcry,Brothers In Arms,Oblivion ES,Tombraider Legend) They all play fine at 1920X1080 @8AA X 16AF every thing else max no problems !!! I have also been able to be Very competitive in all graphic benchies too , so just wanted to point out the other end of the street

 

[tkpenalty]

would also like to mention I have been running crossfire fire since the very first day the x1800XT hit the web for sale and I have really never had an issue ...Crossfire gives me gains in almost all situations....I did notice that the first bench in 3dm05 doesn't seem to benefit too much at all from CF but in all my game (NFSMW,NFScarbon,halo,UT2004,Fear,Farcry,Brothers In Arms,Oblivion ES,Tombraider Legend) They all play fine at 1920X1080 @8AA X 16AF every thing else max no problems !!! I have also been able to be Very competitive in all graphic benchies too , so just wanted to point out the other end of the street

That guys just posting libel. Pure Libel, making crap up to defame ATI. I swear... its so unbelievable. :shadedshu

 

[DRDNA]

I agree it seems very unlikely , but I also believe in giving folks a chance at beating better than hope ; I am way too soft:shadedshu

 

[Lazzer408]

It's no hoax at all. I have two tickets open with ati now for support on the issue. My rant was about how they pretty much told me that unless I had crossfire certified memory they weren't going to even bother helping me. I paid $165+tax for another 2x512 of ram I didn't need because it didn't help. I also got the powerexpress since it was crossfire certified and less expencive then say a 650watt supply. I can take screenshots of benchmarks with ccc open to show you xf is on or off but I shouldn't have to prove anything. It just doesn't work and I'm stumpped. All the motherboards were purchased locally and returnable after testing. I wanted to see which performed the best and had the features I wanted. Some boards post in no time and other take 10-20seconds. I wanted one that doesn't doodle around and gets right to booting. Some o/c very well and some (cough msi cough cough) not well at all.

What's libellious?

I'll update my specs now.

 

[micron]

Is one of them a master and one of them a slave?

I'm not sure what you mean, Crossfire motherboards have a master slot and a secondary slot and the cards go in them, I swapped cards around...did everything you could imagine....nothing worked.

I'm using a DFI LanParty motherboard with an ATi chipset.

 

[boecke]

Why didn't you just buy a X1950 XTX and a X1950 CF card in the first place.
A decent power supply, a good motherboard + CPU and you're set.

The fact that you're the only one that seems to be having the problem proves that it's something on your end and you've obviously got something wrong with the compatibility of the parts.

 

[Lazzer408]

EDIT:

http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?...sk=view&id=433&Itemid=14&limit=1&limitstart=3
Thats to shut you up.

TK, I read alot of reviews about the 1950pro in crossfire long before I had them. ALL of the reviews show SOME improvement. I had no expectations of 2x the speed or anything like that but I swear not even one fps is gained when crossfire is enabled. I was always under the impression that the x1950 pros, with that internal bridge, were idiot-proof. You just put them in, install the drivers, turn on crossfire, and they work. ATI tells me yes, that's pretty much it. There confused as well. Shall I record my next phone conversation with them? I have no reason to waste everyones time on the board. Did you see the videoclips of what the frame sequence looks like from 3dmark05? I can attach them again just let me know.

 

[Lazzer408]

Why didn't you just buy a X1950 XTX and a X1950 CF card in the first place.
A decent power supply, a good motherboard + CPU and you're set.

The fact that you're the only one that seems to be having the problem proves that it's something on your end and you've obviously got something wrong with the compatibility of the parts.

One card was a gift and bestbuy had them on sale for $200 so I bought another. The money I saved, vs. a x1950xtx, I used to get a new motherboard which I was overdue for anyway. My exhisting board wouldn't support core2duo or quad. It seemed like the most logical route to take.

 

[boecke]

You're either living on Ancient Indian burial grounds or..... you're a nVidia employee!

 

[Lazzer408]

You're either living on Ancient Indian burial grounds or..... you're a nVidia employee!

lol I'm leaning towards burial grounds. I wish I worked for nvidia. Maybe I'd get some deals. I'm an ATI fan though. The ATI cards always seemed to run -smoother- for lack of a better description, and had brighter color. Maybe that's just me. I haven't owned an Nvidia card since a ti4600 that wound up in the kids computer. Well I'll leave this thread alone for awhile. I don't want to be accused of anything. Mark at ATI will be calling tomorrow and I'll update it then.

 

[DRDNA]

Plz ship me the whole pc, and if your mobo isnt on the risers we are gonna have trouble

 

[noneed4me2]

I didn't find any of his posts libel against ATI, if he has an issue this is a place to find resolutions not slander against others. I know from experience results may vary just from even a little difference in hardware setupsand PC part makers cant always anticipate every kind of configuration. He hasn't even said "screw ATI, I am going nvidia" he just is frustrated with the gaming PC issues and considering the ease of console gaming compared to the PC side of things I can understand his frustration.

 

[tkpenalty]

TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT: First off learn how Crossfire works before posting any "Slander". (Nvidia is better at Open GL, ATI is better at the rest). Crossfire is better off used for super AA (16X?) as it looks darn good.