Xbit talks Apple

[farlex85]

http://news.cnet.co.uk/desktops/0,39029662,49297011,00.htm

Ok......That says nothing about use. But yes they are successful in that range, they damn well better be b/c that's the only one they have.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Ok......That says nothing about use. But yes they are successful in that range, they damn well better be b/c that's the only one they have.

http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/channel/macs_defy_windows-gravity.html

For the first quarter, Windows notebooks had "zero percent" growth year over year, Stephen said. By comparison, Apple notebooks had "50 to 60 percent growth.

On the desktop, "They're up 45 percent," he continued. "The [overall] market is down 20 percent. Windows desktops would be down 25 percent." The figures are also for first quarter.

I fail to see a problem with their business strategy. They're growing, while PC's are not.

 

[farlex85]

http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/channel/macs_defy_windows-gravity.html





I fail to see a problem with their business strategy.

There isn't a problem according to them either. They are effective in what they do no one argues that. Many would just like to see them do more.

 

[btarunr]

Ferrari or Porsche certainly don't have 90% of the market.

But damn I would love to have one.

The ones making the Ferrari's and Porsche's here are Alienware, Maingear, CyberPower, HP-Voodoo, and you (since you know how to build a PC). Not Apple.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

The ones making the Ferrari's and Porsche's here are Alienware, Maingear, CyberPower, HP-Voodoo, and you (since you know how to build a PC). Not Apple.

If performance is your only factor, then Porsche is probably out of that race.

They are still only V6's afterall. And are certainly outperformed. (Handling, not so much..) But they are defined by their attention to detail, with performance to back it up. Macbook pro's certainly aren't a slouch when it comes to performance.

They just aren't up to "enthusiast" standards for OMGWTFBRIGHTCOLORS fast. They certainly meet the needs of professionals, hence Apple dominating that market segment.

 

[btarunr]

They just aren't up to "enthusiast" standards for OMGWTFBRIGHTCOLORS fast. They certainly meet the needs of professionals, hence Apple dominating that market segment.

Which a PC can, too. It's OMGHELPINGSTEVEJOBSBUYBEDPANS choosing Macs / Mac Pros over other PCs / workstations.

 

[entropy13]

Maybe I didn't remember correctly what I was plugging (the usb one), but the projector thing I can really remember that I can't plug it in. Must be the differences in port for the projector itself and the Mac.


Still, the only ones that can afford Macs over here are usually either: businessmen, bankers, politicians, government officials, members of crime syndicates (drugs, kidnap for ransom, child beggars), children of politicians, children of government officials, children of businessmen, children of bankers, children of members of crime syndicates...and it's only the businessmen (perhaps the bankers too) who are at least able to afford them through legitimate means.

 

[a_ump]

"High end market" is NOT the enthusiast market.

"High end market" consists of developers, Audio/Video techs, Photoshop users/Photographers. Usually markets where expensive hardware is not uncommon. ($300 lenses ftw?)

NOT gamers. Gamers just use "high end parts" to game, because of the performance attributed.

did not look at it that way, with the whole audio/video techs and whatnot.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Which a PC can, too. It's OMGHELPINGSTEVEJOBSBUYBEDPANS choosing Macs / Mac Pros over other PCs / workstations.

Preference is the driving factor then.

I drive a smaller 2 door version of the Cobalt. Other people like large Escalades.

Why use a PC over a mac? Why use a crackberry over an Android?

Preference, preference, preference.

 

[btarunr]

Preference is the driving factor then.

I drive a smaller 2 door version of the Cobalt. Other people like large Escalades.

Why use a PC over a mac? Why use a crackberry over an Android?

Preference, preference, preference.

Right, so going by the market-share, people in general don't prefer Mac to PC. Which means that X-bit is right in pointing out that Apple is getting way too much media coverage. It's not even that Apple is something unique and exclusive that it deserves the coverage.

 

[freaksavior]

I hate apple related threads on here. you guys are so biased

 

[Mussels]

on the custom ports on mac things, i've seen that at uni. our lecturers often used macs, and they always had an array of adaptors and plugs just to get everything to work (mostly video related, it seems the laptops had neither VGA or DVI, unless you went and bought a $40 cable)

 

[freaksavior]

on the custom ports on mac things, i've seen that at uni. our lecturers often used macs, and they always had an array of adaptors and plugs just to get everything to work (mostly video related, it seems the laptops had neither VGA or DVI, unless you went and bought a $40 cable)

I do believe that "custom port on mac things" is a new standard, something apple has always done.

http://images.google.com/images?q=d...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

 

[Triprift]

I hate apple related threads on here. you guys are so biased

Maybe alot of us here are i woudnt consider getting a iphone as i see it as over hyped for something that does things no better then many other touch phones. A number of ppl think the same way and yet instead of Apple trying vigorously to promote itself in a positive way all i see is eliteist bs and saying stuff like Macs are immune to security problems wich a fair few know is not true. I use an ipod and itunes as they were both reccomended to me by a friend and both work great but other than that i woudnt go anywhere near any of there other stuff as there are seemingly better products available for cheaper.

 

[MrMilli]

Dippyskoodlez, people are allowed to have their own opinion.
As a moderator you should know this.
Not everybody can agree to your point of view.
You don't need to reply to every post.
Lets keep an open mind and let everybody speak their own opinion about this matter.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I do believe that "custom port on mac things" is a new standard, something apple has always done.

http://images.google.com/images?q=d...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Apple is in no position to dictate standards as demonstrated by Firewire. Seriously, who used that, ever, on a computer that isn't a Mac? Who uses USB on Macs?

DisplayPort is supposed to replace DVI; however, that transition hasn't even really begun yet (DisplayPort only gets used on workstation cards with two ports + two-way spliters for four displays). Since Apple designers would rather cut their hand off than put two ports that perform the same function, they opted to use the unadapted standard which requires everyone that actually wants to use it to buy adapters. DisplayPort won't be mainstream for many years yet namely because it doesn't offer any real, tangible benefits over DVI.


Let's look at the point Xbit is trying to make from a different angle. Only Apple makes Macs, right? They receive a lot of media coverage. How many make PCs? Dell, HP, Acer, and many more. Those three are all bigger than Apple and the first two especially are much bigger than Apple (many fold). If news was not biased, less than 10% of their coverage on the industry would cover Apple while 90% would cover all the others. Instead, there isn't a day Apple isn't mentioned be it Steve Jobs found a new toy or Apple is releasing another failed product only the Press cares about. In the same news cycle, Dell may be launching a whole new line of products, HP might be discontinuing a line, etc. and the only time they get mentioned is during the stock market listings. Apple takes 90% or more of the headlines and the majority market holder gets less than 10%.

Us, biased? No. We're just backing the article saying the Press/media is biased. The last time any of the PC manufacturers were really mentioned in mainstream media is when Dell recalled all those Sony batteries and that was last year. As demonstrated by how many people didn't know that Acer bought out Gateway back in 2007. It was probably mentioned in only a sentence or two by most media outlets and not made into headline news like it should have been (Gateway was one of the largest PC manufacturers in the early 1990s). The same can be said about Compaq whom literally started the non-IBM market for PCs back in the 1980s. But no, Steve Jobs flailing his arms about with an iPod in one hand is bigger news. :shadedshu

 

[Mussels]

i used firewire for a long time, before E-sata came out. much faster than USB 2.0.

display port is going to take off soon enough, its like HDMI - it picks up slowly, then becomes the norm.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

DisplayPort is targeted for PC, not consumer segment. The transition to DisplayPort will be as slow, or slower than VGA to DVI (which hasn't even completed yet). Most LCD monitors you buy today, even if they are DVI capable, come with VGA cables. Almost every graphic card you buy today, even though they all have at least one DVI port, all come with at least one DVI->VGA adapter. I wouldn't be at all surprised if DisplayPort is never adapted because basically its only "advantage" over DVI is a disadvantage: 128-bit AES encryption to make Hollywood happy (like HDMI).

HDMI took off fast because people got tired of screwing coaxial cables in. Additionally, once a ATSC signal has been decoded, there is no consumer equipment that can recreate the ATSC signal from the digital stream. That is, it has to be transferred using a different method than coaxial or else it will fall back to "SDTV," NTSC signal. HDMI was the only cable at the time that can losslessly carry HDTV content in non-ATSC format. Because of that, its adaption was rather quick.

 

[Frick]

A lot of audio interfaces uses firewire (even if they're not targeted at macs). I actually believe most of them uses firewire..

 

[1Kurgan1]

I hate apple related threads on here. you guys are so biased

I use apples everyday at college as im going to school for graphic design, and I hate them. Just makes me angry being around all the mac users, none of them realise they have intel procs and are not built by god, and usually try and poke fun when I mention I have a PC, until I informed them all what they were using as what I was. It really goes both ways though, most mac users don't think their machine has anything in common with a comp and they think the extra money buys them something amazing, when it's really a PC with OS X for a lot more in a artsy case.

 

[Mussels]

its simple psychology.

If you can talk one person into buying your product, by never admitting flaws and saying its just better, sooner or later someone falls for it.

That person will then defend their purchase in anyway they can to prevent the shame of falling for marketing tricks, and it spreads. their friends wonder if its true, their colleagues do - and when they see the same name in the mass media all the time, it slowly works its way around.

You ask a mac user what their mac is made of, they'll say its some awesome apple hardware, not knowing what it is. You ask a mac user what percentage of people have macs, and they'll always tell you some large number - not 3.33%.

Ask them about failure rates of mac laptops, or batteries dying in ipods, or the macs that shipped with faulty screens - must be a lie, apple never told me/the news never told me/macs dont break.

And before anyone here who uses both macs and PC's starts crapping on about how it must all be false because they're different: the fact that you hang out at an IT tech forum already puts you in the top percentages of knowledge regarding PC's. you're not exactly a typical mac user.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Also, here's a question to ponder over:

If Steve Jobs (Apple's CEO) and Steve Balmer (Microsoft's CEO) died at the same time, on the same day, for the same reasons, which would get more media coverage?


On this subject, people who want to see the media attack the media should watch John King: Reliable Sources at 10:00-10:30 AM EST Sundays with Howard Kurtz.

 

[btarunr]

Steve Jobs is a little more popular compared to Ballmer. Regardless, I would offer Ballmer my respects, a rose, and the month's issue of Playboy.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Microsoft is 35 on Fortune 100 with $60.420 billion in revenue (2009).
Apple is 71 on Fortune 100 with $32.479 billion in revenue (2009).

Source


They fulfill the same role and have played an important role (co-founder and long-time executives) in their respective companies. It is about as fair of a comparison I could come up with.


LMAO @ Playboy mag. What would you offer Jobs? XD

 

[btarunr]

What would you offer Jobs? XD

A bedpan.