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Xeon 2.1GHZ VS AMD 4.4GHZ

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Hello all! Basically this post I think would be geared to more techy hardware individuals. While cost isn't my main concern. I can build this, and expect multi threaded performance to be awesome. Iv always wanted to build a dual CPU PC/WS. I looked at the HP Z800 but the proprietary power supply with only 2X 6pin just isn't happening. I also dont want to mod wires and cases to have it work. So this leads me to the Asus ZP9PE-D8 WS. My current PSU/case/fans/hdd/gpu will all work great onboard that.

My main area of questions is for single threaded performance/multi for CPU's
Intended build using some parts already have:
(1 or 2)E5-2620 V2
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Comparing both CPU:
Xeon 2620 V2 CPU- 2.1GH/z has 51GB/s memory bandwidth and 15MB cache
FX-9370 AMD CPU- 4.4GHZ has 32GB/s memory bandwidth and 8mb/L2 and 8mb/L3

So what I'm getting at is for example: One Xeon VS the One AMD
While the AMD is clocked higher GHZ,
-the xeon has 12 threads vs 8 threads
-51GB memory bandwidth vs 31GB
-single large 15MB cache vs 2 8mb cache-
xeon/intel(enterprise grade?) drivers vs AMD drivers

I'm wondering in what areas this (xeon) will be slower/faster in specific tasks (converting video/encoding) then the AMD ect. And the same information but with 2 Xeon's.

I think this build would be incredible and last many years to come and not have to upgrade anything for quite some time. I did look into the new X99 Haswell DDR4. DDR4 RAM is too freaking expensive, and I'd rather they work all the bugs and come down in price before diving into something like that. The I7 5960X is beast but it can wait. Lastly no fanboy crap. I dont really care Intel VS AMD they all work when you press the power on.

My current build is:
FX9370
32GB DDR3
2X 290X
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1600 Platinum PSU EVGA-Plenty of power to run 2 CPU.

So what do you all think about this? Input on this build or other possible builds/paths to take up consideration?
 

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In the loads you mentioned the Xeons would be better, but in a gaming/day to day use the FX would be better.
 
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So how much would gaming be impacted? An example?
 
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I can't find any comparison reviews on the Xeon vs FX, but I would think the FX would be better simply because its clocked 2300Mhz higher. The clock speed may be too high for the Xeons better IPC to be a factor.

Considering you've already got the FX 9370 I wouldn't take the risk on the gamble.
 
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So how much would gaming be impacted? An example?
Games like faster cores over amount of cores. I'd say a huge difference if the game is a single or dual threaded game. This is where overclocking comes in but I've never heard of Xeons making OC records.
 
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Whats this mean>The clock speed may be too high for the Xeons better IPC to be a factor.
 
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Whats this mean>The clock speed may be too high for the Xeons better IPC to be a factor.

The Xeon has a better architecture. If the clock speed was the same or similar the Xeon would outperform it. The FX 9370 is clocked at more than double the frequency so it would have an unfair advantage.

The only way I can see the Xeon being better is if you were to overclock it. But I don't think Xeons overclock well, and judging by your knowledge I doubt you are experienced enough to pull it off.
 
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Not a fan of overclocking at any rate, This ASUS boad can OC, however I prefer reliability and long term use over burning something up-especially a Xeon. I agree with your post. Dent. Perhaps this could be something to benchmark? Very little info out there on comparison. Been looking into this.
 
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A comparison between the two.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5-2620-vs-AMD-FX-9370
While the FX processor is slightly ahead it uses roughly double the power of the Xeon.

The FX uses more power because it has two more cores and is clocked 2300Mhz higher. So this is expected.

Take that CPU Boss review with a pinch of salt. The sample is too small it only tests Passmark and GeekBench. This isn't enough data for a reliable conclusion. I would think the FX would be more than slightly ahead if you was to test 10+ applications. 2300Mhz advantage is huge.

Not a fan of overclocking at any rate, This ASUS boad can OC, however I prefer reliability and long term use over burning something up-especially a Xeon. I agree with your post. Dent. Perhaps this could be something to benchmark? Very little info out there on comparison. Been looking into this.

If the overclock is stable it won't impact the reliability. Overclocking won't impact the long term use for the average person. I've had my CPU overclocked for 6 years straight and its still going strong. You might shave a year or two off from its 20 year life expectancy, but who cares?
 
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Yeah that CPU boss doesn't have enough to show really. Id like to see real world use, benchmarks can only go so far. It seems to me that both are good in their own range of applications. the Xeon's can run multi threads awesome, and the FX can do single threaded apps very well.

I have also been looking at the X99 sort of the toss up these 2 systems, and that seems to have a higher clock speeds, along with decent threads/cores. The I7 5960X is 8 Core/16 Thread and 3 GHZ. The only thing holding back the new X99 is DDR4 being insanly expensive. 64GB of DDR3 is around 650$ or so, and the same in DDR4 is double. If one was to wait "X" amount of time, how long till DDR4 starts being somewhat affordable even for smaller capacities.

How reliable is this: LINK
 
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That site will tell you the sample size, so I think the results are fairly valid there.
 
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That site will tell you the sample size, so I think the results are fairly valid there.

urrm no. Sample size matters.

So if a Mini happens to beat a Ferrari by a freak miracle on the road ONCE. That doesn't mean the Mini is faster and the results are valid? You have to test in all terrain, the road, the race track and in all weather conditions.

2 highly synthetic benchmarks tell us nothing about actual application.


How reliable is this: LINK

Good for a general hierarchy but not very reliable by itself. It only testing PassMark. Pass Mark is just 1 of hundreds of benchmarks. What makes PassMark so special?

We need to see a range of different types of benchmarks to see where the CPUs stands. A CPU might do well in PassMark but might be completely shit in real world scenarios. You need to find reviews which are balance. Testing gaming, encoding, rendering, compression etc all on one review.

People skills isn't one of your talents is it?!

Nope. :)
 
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People skills isn't one of your talents is it?!
 
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LOL, but Dent is right, I agree with the different tests, unfortunately there isn't the info out there compiled in one place that's easy to read on a reliable website and all the hard work is done. Its also very expensive to just buy this hardware just to run benchmarks. Unless you have a sponsor or however that works....
 
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unfortunately there isn't the info out there compiled in one place

That's because both CPUs are marketed for different segments. FX is high end enthusiast for consumer market. Xeon is high end CPU for server and workstation market. This is why its hard to find information comparing the two in the same place.

Its also very expensive to just buy this hardware just to run benchmarks. Unless you have a sponsor or however that works....

The big review websites like TechPowerUp, Tom's Hardware, Guru of 3D, Hot Hardware, AndandTech, Tech Radar, Hexus, Overclockers Club etc. get free testing samples.
 

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More cores is not better for gaming. When you get more cores, they drop clocks because there are many workloads (particularly ones for servers, such as web servers, database servers, OLAP server, etc. that require a lot of computation power that can be processed in parallel. Gaming is not one of those things and by using a dual-cpu configuration, you're not only hurting yourself with lower clocks, but added latency if a context switch occurs and one CPU is using the other's memory (hence why latency can sometimes double in multi-cpu configurations).

All in all, don't do it unless you're planning on using most of those cores for whatever you're planning on doing with it. Otherwise, stick with the hardware you have now, or get a 4790k or 5820k and OC the hell out of it.

Whats this mean>The clock speed may be too high for the Xeons better IPC to be a factor.
Xeons don't have a better IPC than normal Intel CPUs. Xeons have extra features, support multi-cpu configs, can use ECC memory, and support some security features. Xeons have more cores, not faster cores. In fact, Xeon performance more often than not for a single thread, will be significantly less than a CPU you can overclock. However, that dynamic changes when you have applications that scale to more than 8-10 cores.
 
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So is this where setting process affinity would come in handy. For instance something that only uses 4 cores effectively, only allow it to use 0-3 Core? I remember trying this when converting something on a Core 2 Quad I had and noticed the process was much faster running on 2 threads vs all 4. I do recall there being a way to set affinity to processes on their start-up so you only have to change it one time.

Also thats interesting about memory latency. CPU1 has to communicate with #2 even if #2 isnt doing anything, to get data out of its RAM banks right? This is why theres 2 QPI links right? So a single CPU with 64GB RAM installed might handle itself better, then 2 and having to transit data across devices...

So perhaps It would be better to wait for the X99/DDR4 to come down in price, and go with that once its affordable.

I know I might come across like I'm confused, or don't know crap, I think I know something, however theirs nobody out in the wheat field that knows anything about PC's, heck the school is using old Pentium 2 and 3 computers, it was horrible. Probably haven't upgraded yet.
 

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server chips dont have the clocks to handle gaming
 
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The overall recommendation is not to buy the Xeon. We are telling you this for good reason.
 
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Get a i5 4560, bro. Forget about both the Xeon and the FX9.
 

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Get a i5 4560, bro. Forget about both the Xeon and the FX9.
What reasoning do you have for OP to get an i5 when they game AND video edit? Between the original two choices, it was

Xeon for threads
FX for clockspeed

The middle ground would be an i7, and which i7 would be for OP to decide.
 

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The Xeon would perform like a significantly underclocked 4930k.

Take a look at the gaming numbers here: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1289?vs=1331

The 4930K is right with the FX-9590. Yes, the 9590 is 300MHz faster than the 9370, but the 4930k is 1.8GHz faster than the Xeon. There is just no making up for the clock speed of the Xeon. Throwing more cores at it won't help since games don't use more cores. At best, a game might use 4 cores, but most still are heavily either single or dual threaded.

The Xeon setup would kill for multithreaded apps, but for gaming it is going to suck due to its clock speed.
 

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he has a non Server chip already that is Gaming capable, no sense on dropping extra cash on a new motherboard and CPU
 
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Lost in the electrons of the internet
System Name Ultimate Gaming Rig
Processor AMD FX-9370 4.4 GHZ
Motherboard ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z
Cooling BitFenix 140MM 122CFM X7--120MM X 2 -H110 Water Cooler140MMX2
Memory 32GB 1866MHZ Corsair Platinum
Video Card(s) 2 MSI 290X 4GB
Storage SSD, VelociRaptr
Display(s) 3x ASUS P248Q IPS 3600x1920
Case NSXT Switch 810
Power Supply EVGA 1600W Platinum
Yeah Iv been getting that vibe not to build that ZP9 system off of everyone(would cost around 1900$), I have seen a Z800 HP Workstation for 550$ on Ebay that has Xeon 5650 6 Core 2.6GHZ 24GB Ram and a Quadro 5000, and can add another Quadro into that, and another CPU, all the parts for that generation are much cheaper, then the E5 Xeon series, and the Asus ZP9 costs almost as much as the Z800! And leaving the Z800 on to do whatever leaves the gaming computer free to keep me entertained. Until something amazing comes out or drops in price. Like that I7-5960X!


Plus good info from Dent/Aquinus/Newtekie!

Unless anyone has some more to chime in about, I think were good.
 
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