Yo i just bought a

[Kursah]

Hey man we can all suggest...but newer games utilize dual cores more than you may consider there bigmacks433. Just remember you're here posting for suggestions as to why you're not getting performance. Sure dropping a new tech vid card will help, but if the rest of the system is aged and not quite up to par with recommended specs or beyond, you can't expect the game to perform the way you want it to.

There are huge differences between single and dual cores in performance ratings. My C2D at it's stock 1.86 stomped my P4 630 (3.0 stock) OC'd to 3.6, in everything. Sure DDR2 helped some, but in the end the efficiency and processing power available was a ton better.

Just some food for thought...but don't ask for help, inquiries or suggestions if you're going to scoff at everyone that has suggestions just because you don't like the answer or don't believe it. TPU is about helping, a lot of these guys are very experience with systems like yours, and beyond...we're here to help. But take our suggestions to thought instead of acting in your current manner. Unless you have a better idea of your lackluster performance complaints...you may want to listen up.

On that note, merry christmas!

 

[Cold Storm]

Iam getting crappy framerates in ut3 and i highly doubt my cpu is the reason 2.8 ghz single core athlon 64 is holding it back tons? bs.

not the performance i was expecting almost wish i didnt buy it and kept using 7800 gtx.

i drop into the 20 fps zone running 1280x1024 no aa max on vehicle ctf map suspense just like with the 7800 gtx.

Hey, I'm just telling you what the truth is.. I'm sorry if you think its bs but do you know what system I had before? No... here it is...

AMD Athlon 3000+ over clocked to around 2.8, 2.7 V. at 1.67
Abit Kv8-pro
Cool Master Hyper Tx-2 with x tek 80mm Blue LED Fans
Wintec Ampro 2gb DDR-400 OCed at 427mhz
x1650pro 512 agp with fan mod for vista
with the same Monitor I'm running now in widescreen at 1450x1050

I've tested Unreal even with a hd2600 and it still ran the same as my 1650. So your WHOLE COMPUTER is what makes the world go round. I am sorry for your luck. Like I said, I've waited for UNreal for so long and I played it to where I was going around 20 fps on vechile CTF.
I'm sorry to be rude but I'm trying to help and you called the bs button. We are here to help who ever with their problems. Just go with the flow... Trust me... The game can run, thats what they said it will do. They didn't say it was going to be pretty..

 

[newtekie1]

Ok, how come bfgtech say's lifetime

visiontek says limited lifetime.

This sucks my ut3 performance sucks also.

Just because they don't put the word Limited, doesn't mean it is completely limit free. EVERY warranty is a limited warranty, they all have terms and conditions that need to be met and they all only cover certain things.

 

[bigmacks433]

Hey man we can all suggest...but newer games utilize dual cores more than you may consider there bigmacks433. Just remember you're here posting for suggestions as to why you're not getting performance. Sure dropping a new tech vid card will help, but if the rest of the system is aged and not quite up to par with recommended specs or beyond, you can't expect the game to perform the way you want it to.

There are huge differences between single and dual cores in performance ratings. My C2D at it's stock 1.86 stomped my P4 630 (3.0 stock) OC'd to 3.6, in everything. Sure DDR2 helped some, but in the end the efficiency and processing power available was a ton better.

Just some food for thought...but don't ask for help, inquiries or suggestions if you're going to scoff at everyone that has suggestions just because you don't like the answer or don't believe it. TPU is about helping, a lot of these guys are very experience with systems like yours, and beyond...we're here to help. But take our suggestions to thought instead of acting in your current manner. Unless you have a better idea of your lackluster performance complaints...you may want to listen up.

On that note, merry christmas!

cpu only effects fps at low resolutions i know my 2.6 ghz p4 was pulling same framerates as my 2.8 ghz a64.

plus ut3 isnt cpu limited it's gpu limited gotta be ut3 is poolry optimized because i would bet anything if i bought a dualcore a64 fps would still drop the same.

 

[bigmacks433]

Why am i pulling the same framerates in f.e.a.r as dualcore c2d chips with a 8800 gt and im using a 2.4 ghz single core a64, fear has more physics than ut3 also more cpu heavy makes no sense other than ut3 is horribly optimized because only the games graphics are better it doesnt even have physics in its stock maps.

 

[Kursah]

Even at higher resolutions there is still plenty of CPU dependency. With newer dual/quad core CPU's becoming the norm, the hit for this isn't nearly as noticed and maybe not as stressful in comparison to a single core CPU.

I guarentee you that if you stuck that card in my system, it wouldn't matter what resolution I played at, I would have way higher framerates than you. Sure GPU is more depended upon at higher resolutions, but that doesn't mean the rest of the system isn't being taxed or holding you back.

UT3 is also more graphics intensive than FEAR as it's 2 years newer, granted the technologies in both games are good in my mind.

My Rig with an old 1950xtx plays UT3 @ 1440x900 (native res of monitor) with absolutely no frame drops that I can feel or notice. Granted that's only the demo, as I have CoD4 which I feel is a better game in the FPS arena (at least for my personal preferencess), which also plays great on my PC and with all goodies on, 4X AA, 16X AF, I usually see 60's for avg fps and depending on area, a drop to 30s here and there.

Results can vary Bigmacks, there could me inoptimizations with your OS, why don't you fill out and check the box to show your system specs? I know you listed them, but it's easier if you just fill out system specs (see mine for a detailed way to fill out, no need to fill out temps if you don't wanna though ). Could be driver issues, I still believe there's definately a bottleneck issue as I guarentee if I had your card and monitor on my rig I would PWN your system at any game at any res you have mentioned thus far, due to newer, faster, multi-cored equipment that is meant more for these modern games and (lol) my equipment is fairly outdated anymore. That's one bummer about the computer component industry, but hey I'm getting an easy 3.5GHz out of my C2D 6300, good enough for me.

And I think you would be suprised if you put a dual core in your rig how much better it would play, again results can vary, but I'm sure you would notice a difference. Don't knock till you try it, and definately stop kicking it out as a good reason, because it's a perfectly good reason for your issues. Even my 1950XTX would be bottlenecked from an older single core AMD, so your 8800GT is definately pushing what it can...and sure higher resolutions can help, but you'll have to find yoru happy medium until you get a more efficient processing system with plenty of speedy RAM to back it up. And if you're really not happy, I'd say take the card back, stick with what you had until you're ready to make the right system upgrades to truly enjoy the power that new technology can harness for your gaming experience.

Merry X-Mas!

 

[bigmacks433]

OK someone who has a 8800 GT and a dualcore processor take a screenshot of the same spot on unreal tournament 3 map vehicle ctf suspense with no bots of framerate.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6724/lolct2.jpg

look im running max 1600x1200 why the hell am i dropping to 52 fps when there's no physics being used i have no bots in the game at all plus 1600x1200 is a gpu limited resolution it's drops even lower in spots 40 fps in spots with no bots just running around the map, how would another core be useful?

 

[Kursah]

There's still a lot of texture processing and system load even at that resolution, the system load doesn't necessarily get lighter, the GPU is just more capable of taking more graphics specific loads off of the CPU, but not all of them.

And does it really matter if the game plays smoothly? Afterall, who cares about frames if you can enjoy the game? That's how I look at it!

Seriously dude, I'm not sure what you're looking for...but I think you researching other users' experiences is the right way to go. On that note, I gotta go for a few hours...I'll be back to see what you've found out or what you've decided isn't a good answer . Until then, I do hope you find the answer you're looking for or just get over it and enjoy the game.

 

[bigmacks433]

There's still a lot of texture processing and system load even at that resolution, the system load doesn't necessarily get lighter, the GPU is just more capable of taking more graphics specific loads off of the CPU, but not all of them.

And does it really matter if the game plays smoothly? Afterall, who cares about frames if you can enjoy the game? That's how I look at it!

Seriously dude, I'm not sure what you're looking for...but I think you researching other users' experiences is the right way to go. On that note, I gotta go for a few hours...I'll be back to see what you've found out or what you've decided isn't a good answer . Until then, I do hope you find the answer you're looking for or just get over it and enjoy the game.

doesnt really play smooth i mean iam able to play at higher resolutions but the same parts i dropped into 20 fps zone on maps with a 7800 gtx im still hitting 20 fps even without bots.

bioshock runs a hell of alot better and has physics wtf?

ut3 poorly coded junk it seems, i really dont see how adding another core would exactly make the fps any higher since there's no physics or a.i being used .

iam going to buy a a64 dualcore for this motherboard but still i have a feeling it will still perform the same.

 

[bigmacks433]

gonna buy dualcore lol.

 

[bigmacks433]

NM taking a64 to 2.8 ghz fixed the fps alittle, but it still dropps under 60 fps 1600x1200 no aa about 56-57 fps walking around map .

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9103/qwaj5.jpg

now 60 fps 2.8 ghz vs 52 fps same spot 2.4 ghz.


but now when i reboot my pc drivers keep saying 8800 gt performance has been lowered because not enough power when the damn psu is a 650 watt silverstone sli certified psu.

 

[bigmacks433]

still even though at 2.8 ghz still drops into the low 50s on suspense without bots, 1600x1200 hmm what if i enable anti aliasing? fps would probley take a shit.

so maybe my cpu is the problem, and that your not getting powerbug bulllshit has been happening since i got the card sometimes it will appear after reboot sometimes it wont 3 psu's have same problem? lmfao.

650
550
500.

 

[bigmacks433]

my specs in name updated*

 

[Cold Storm]

One thing you have to look at between UNreal 3 and all other games is the fact that its also built for the ageia PhysX. They even suggest you go and spend another 200 dollars for the card. Yeah, its a dl on the disc, but they want you to buy their stuff.
there is a website on psu's that allow you to calculate what type of PSU you would need. If you want it I'll send it to you...
Just look at it this way... your one step closer to a MAJOR overhall!

 

[bigmacks433]

lol now updated specs damn it

 

[Kursah]

Can you take a screen of the message saying the 8800GT is underpowered? Can you possibly increase your PCIe voltage a notch to see if that helps?

How bad is the performance hit at say 1280x1024?

How many others are reporting similar results as you, even w/dual core? If it's a widespread issue, maybe driver/resolution/setting dependent, try a lower setting somewhere.

How do other games play? UT3 can't be the only game you're playing atm, there's so much more out there that's just as enjoyable at least in my mind. UT3 is fun, but I grew tired of the same mechanics after 2004...UT3 demo is all I need for now.

I'm more interested in the under-powered situation. Maybe run DXDiag and upload the txt file (may have to zip the file to put on here). Especially considering that PSU is more than enough for your system...the GT's are way more efficient on power usage in comparison to GTS 320/640's. My 1950xtx is more power hungry then that GT and I use a Corsair HX520, with an OC'd intel system, 2 PATA drives, 6+ fans, 1 SATAII hdd, and have room for more.

Just checking, but does the card have it's own dedicated power line from the PSU? I'm sure it does, but just gotta ask. And ColdStorm is right about the physics part, but physics are also very good at hogging CPU resources, where my C2D will do a decent job at the physics the Ageia engine will allow it. A single core anything will struggle with physics, A.I. and such, even if you think there's nothing there for the CPU to process, there's plenty that it must take care of, even for the GPU to do it's job. But there could be a different issue present here, give as much info as you can on this under-powered situation, and hopefully we can getcha gamin. Dunno about every game at 1600x1200, with everything maxed, (a faster dual core CPU and 2gb of Ram would help the gaming cause too), but you should be able to game smoother.

 

[bigmacks433]

Can you take a screen of the message saying the 8800GT is underpowered? Can you possibly increase your PCIe voltage a notch to see if that helps?

How bad is the performance hit at say 1280x1024?

How many others are reporting similar results as you, even w/dual core? If it's a widespread issue, maybe driver/resolution/setting dependent, try a lower setting somewhere.

How do other games play? UT3 can't be the only game you're playing atm, there's so much more out there that's just as enjoyable at least in my mind. UT3 is fun, but I grew tired of the same mechanics after 2004...UT3 demo is all I need for now.

I'm more interested in the under-powered situation. Maybe run DXDiag and upload the txt file (may have to zip the file to put on here). Especially considering that PSU is more than enough for your system...the GT's are way more efficient on power usage in comparison to GTS 320/640's. My 1950xtx is more power hungry then that GT and I use a Corsair HX520, with an OC'd intel system, 2 PATA drives, 6+ fans, 1 SATAII hdd, and have room for more.

Just checking, but does the card have it's own dedicated power line from the PSU? I'm sure it does, but just gotta ask. And ColdStorm is right about the physics part, but physics are also very good at hogging CPU resources, where my C2D will do a decent job at the physics the Ageia engine will allow it. A single core anything will struggle with physics, A.I. and such, even if you think there's nothing there for the CPU to process, there's plenty that it must take care of, even for the GPU to do it's job. But there could be a different issue present here, give as much info as you can on this under-powered situation, and hopefully we can getcha gamin. Dunno about every game at 1600x1200, with everything maxed, (a faster dual core CPU and 2gb of Ram would help the gaming cause too), but you should be able to game smoother.

I have tried it through the dedicated 6 pin pcie powercables on the silverstone psu 650 watt it say low power using that, but the thang is it doesnt say it everytime i reboot every so often so i cant just grab a screen anytime. right now im using a molex to 6 pin pice connector and i didnt get problem, but the performance isnt what im expecting, ut3 is one of my favorite games it's a good game could of been better but i like straight up deathmatch and ut3 offers some decent stuff.

it's like the performance at 1280x1024 no aa is the same as 1600x1200 no aa lol never stays at 60 mostly 40-50 but drops into 20s sometimes.

 

[Cold Storm]

here is something... start the game up with your side panel off... play the game like normal and when it starts getting to 20 fps, pause, and check the card to see how hot it is.... if you can hold your finger there for a few seconds then its all right, but if its like hot water before putting that coco in it, then the cards heating up.

 

[bigmacks433]

of course the card will get hot man it's a freaking g80 with 16 shader's disabled.

im gonna try all 3 psu's ive tried 2, i think both said low lower cant remember.

 

[Cold Storm]

I know that... maybe moding the card, new thermal paste, or a cooler can fix that.. lets the card be able to reb up and get going longer... but because of heat, it gets to the point where it just plays to get through in till you stop or it stops.
My 1650pro had to have a volt mod to where I could use vista because of the fact it got so hot it just bsod. Thats what i'm pointing at... but i hope the psus help...

 

[mrsemi]

Question, is this your power supply?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163108

Because I'm not sure that has the amps to push your card.
This is what it states it needs.
425W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 28A or more*

That psu shows max of 18amps on a single rail, I'm not sure if it can draw power from the other rails, just a hunch on your problem.

 

[Cold Storm]

Question, is this your power supply?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163108

Because I'm not sure that has the amps to push your card.
This is what it states it needs.
425W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 28A or more*

That psu shows max of 18amps on a single rail, I'm not sure if it can draw power from the other rails, just a hunch on your problem.

Thats a very good hunch.. Psu's may not support it because of the amperage to the rail(s). Cards don't like your amperage to be lower then what is needed... Your old game is going to run all right, but the new stuff, with what it wants in return, needs the amperage...

 

[bigmacks433]

Question, is this your power supply?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163108

Because I'm not sure that has the amps to push your card.
This is what it states it needs.
425W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 28A or more*

That psu shows max of 18amps on a single rail, I'm not sure if it can draw power from the other rails, just a hunch on your problem.

Yea that's my psu.

i tried all 3 of my psu's

that psu you listed silverstone 550 watt lonestar and another 500 colorsit kinda cheap<

performance in ut3 sucks with all 3, when i run the map dm in ut3 named arsenal 1600x1200 no aa max my fps is 30-40 fps that's shitty imho.

how many amps does the card need never really checked?

 

[bigmacks433]

nm, that's above i read the silverstone has dual 18amp 12 rail or something dont really know much about psu's i bought this because i knew it was decent enough for the 6800 gt i had back in the day.

 

[bigmacks433]

do they even make a psu with over 28 amps on a 12v rail?