ZOTAC GeForce GTX 465

[Mussels]

It's not slow, hot yes, noisy compared to what a 5850 ref cooler hardly, overpriced yes big time. I hear bias in this statement.

i was not speaking of this card. i was mocking guru3d.

 

[trt740]

i was not speaking of this card. i was mocking guru3d.

Got ya but my statement still stands in general, peace my friend, but how anyone can say the 400 gtx series cooler is louder at the same setting as the ATI ref cooler is beyond me and once turned up a bit the 400 series doesn't get that hot at all. This card is overpriced in this review but at a 200 price point would have been great. The pricing is the issue here. I'm sure I will get blasted now so fire away

 

[Mussels]

Got ya but my statement still stands in general, peace my friend, but how anyone can say the 400 gtx series cooler is louder at the same setting as the ATI ref cooler is beyond me and once turned up a bit the 400 series doesn't get that hot at all. This card is overpriced in this review but at a 200 price point would have been great. The pricing is the issue here. I'm sure I will get blasted now so fire away

i agree. pricing is the problem with this card - its power envelope is lower so that its acceptable, its performace is adequate (compared to last gens high end)... but its price is too high to make anyone want it.

 

[eidairaman1]

NV needs to retool their GF 400 series

 

[Imsochobo]

Nonsense this was said about the 200 gtx series as well. Prices will drop to the 200 range, drivers will be optimized and it will turn out to be a decent mid range card, watch and see. This power consumption issue is bs, the card down-clocks when not gaming, so unless you game 24/7 it's not a issue, thats a hand job fee good promotion, by the green movement. This card is overpriced but if it came in at 200 no one would blink. However, the 400 gtx series is hardly a flop. The 5800 series is more efficient power wise but no one cares unless it is running at top speed 24/7 which it isn't.

Not without shrink.....
And first in 6 months...


Take manufactureing costs, 465 may be a good deal, shrink+price drop.
But remember, this is a massive core, they cost alot, they are expensive, the r&d have been way too long, loosing money, they gotta catch up on income, while ATI have no issues with this cause they only get More money out of it.
Cheaper designs, 6-7 months ahead with first cards.
Performance crown.

Ati have alot of margin, 5870 can drop to 200 usd at its best. cause of bad 40NM( unless this is as good as the 55nm was now)

 

[Fourstaff]

NV needs to retool their GF 400 series

GF 100! And they have retooled it, why do you think GTX4xx on sale?

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm saying for a product refresh it needs to be fixed!!! a 465 still draws more juice than a GTX285 and a 5850! WTH.

 

[Easy Rhino]

so this is essentially a crippled 470. looking at the benchmarks in most games my single gtx280 in dx10 outperforms this card. guess i will wait...

 

[PopcornMachine]

Just NVIDIA still trying to sell their broken GPU design by making it cheaper, although still needing about the same amount of power.

Maybe the modified version will be better (GF104), but these cards are based on bad engineering.

I'm just amazed they are trying to sell it to people. Even more amazed that people are actually buying it.

 

[qubit]

I'm saying for a product refresh it needs to be fixed!!! a 465 still draws more juice than a GTX285 and a 5850! WTH.

It sounds like the HD5830 lemon, doesn't it? The HD5770 is a much better buy.

 

[Black Panther]

I don't mean to say that power consumption and temperatures are not important, but presumably both ATI and Nvidia cater for the "average" user. That also includes the "average gamer".

Most people who buy gaming pc's do just that i.e. they buy pre-builts.

The large majority won't be asking the retailer how much power the machine consumes before purchasing. (They'd find out on receiving the power bill, when it's too late... and if they're rich they wouldn't be bothering either.)

Neither would any average user dream of checking the load temps of a graphics card prior to purchase. For all they care it could be running at 110 degrees - no problem as long as that doesn't interfere with performance.

Only the very few (i.e. system builders, serious enthusiasts or professionals like most of us here) bother to check running power consumption, temperatures and overclockabilities. The majority won't be bothering with how much the electricity meter is spinning, or whether they could double up the inside of their case to cook steak & chips as long as performance isn't affected.

What the large majority of potential purchasers check is the price vs performance ratio and nothing else. So business-wise, it makes sense for card manufacturers to prioritize the best performing cards at the best possible price, and say "to hell with power consumption and temperatures, we'll refine on that later after getting the market's majority".

 

[trt740]

Just NVIDIA still trying to sell their broken GPU design by making it cheaper, although still needing about the same amount of power.

Maybe the modified version will be better (GF104), but these cards are based on bad engineering.

I'm just amazed they are trying to sell it to people. Even more amazed that people are actually buying it.

ATI does it with cpus and gpus and there is nothing wrong with this at all. If two core work out of 4 cores it's a dual core, if some shaders don't work it's a 5850. The geforce boys aren't the only ones doing it, heck you bought a 4830, which is a dumbed down 4870.

It sounds like the HD5830 lemon, doesn't it? The HD5770 is a much better buy.

No the 5830 is not a failure and neither is the 465, they are just priced wrong.

 

[Fourstaff]

I'm saying for a product refresh it needs to be fixed!!! a 465 still draws more juice than a GTX285 and a 5850! WTH.

Its very hard to notice sarcasm in the internet. Well, it took R600 a few revisions and modifications before it became the 5000 series we all love. Nvidia is no different, they will need more than a few refreshes before its good.

Wrong pricing = Fail product. And the 5830 is indeed a lemon, because it used much more power than it should, along with being too expensive.

 

[kid41212003]

so this is essentially a crippled 470. looking at the benchmarks in most games my single gtx280 in dx10 outperforms this card. guess i will wait...

I can't believe with 350 shaders, it couldn't beat the GTX280 with just 240 shaders...

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Nonsense this was said about the 200 gtx series as well. Prices will drop to the 200 range, drivers will be optimized and it will turn out to be a decent mid range card, watch and see. This power consumption issue is bs, the card down-clocks when not gaming, so unless you game 24/7 it's not a issue, thats a hand job fee good promotion, by the green movement. This card is overpriced but if it came in at 200 no one would blink. However, the 400 gtx series is hardly a flop. The 5800 series is more efficient power wise but no one cares unless it is running at top speed 24/7 which it isn't.

Nonsense how? you just agreed with me cause you said the price will drop in time and its perf will get better with optimised drivers? I said it was expensive and the price/perf is way off

IF the price drops by a good bit and the perf increases with drivers then I agree, however thats not the case right now so my argument stands, its perf is moot and for the price it is not worth it, but that is just my opinion!

 

[Easy Rhino]

I can't believe with 350 shaders, it couldn't beat the GTX280 with just 240 shaders...

i am still confused. maybe when i go to sell these 280s i should raise the price closer to the 465

 

[Easy Rhino]

stay on topic people. let's not turn this into a ATI/NVIDIA fanboy thread...

 

[qubit]

No the 5830 is not a failure and neither is the 465, they are just priced wrong.

I'm just going by what I've read: it's a crippled 5850, so has the same power consumption and thermals, with worse performance. The 5770 on the other hand, is designed from the ground up to be what it is and therefore performs much better (note that the performance is behind the 5830 though). I believe the 5770 is made a on a smaller process and overclocks very well?

EDIT: Just seen your post Easy... oops, bit off topic! This will be my last word on this.

 

[Fourstaff]

I don't think it's a lemon because of power , again thats nonsense unless you run it at the max clock 24/7 and the 5830 downclocks just like thr 465 does when in power saving mode (or 2d mode). Also if it's the wrong price it will come downs in price as sales decrease making it a very good card.

Yes, decrease in pricing will turn it into a good product. But as of now, its not a good product (hence I call it a lemon, although normally lemon=bad product). We shall wait for the GTX 465 to turn into a worthwhile product to buy then. Somehow or rather, there seems to be a few products which are runaway hits (GTS 250, HD5770) while others are doomed to fail (HD 5830). Even after the price is fixed, they will still be associated with a bad product due to bad rep. Vista is a perfect example.

 

[3volvedcombat]

i am still confused. maybe when i go to sell these 280s i should raise the price closer to the 465

Thats what im completely baffled about right now guys. I mean regardless the 648Mhz clock on the old architecture 200 series gpu's it only has 240 stream/cuda cores to use.

But the GTX 465 has 350+ at just 607Mhz not much slower, Theres about 50% more cuda cores in the 465 then there is in a 285. Yes there bit wide interfaces are different, but the gpu's have different architecture's and GTX 400 series should be a better more efficient one at the least and its getting beat by old 285 with a what should be a big cripple. But no some how the 465 just sucks balls right now. Its amazing. Confusing. Maybe its got to be a cap with the Bit wide buss or something. Really couldnt be though.

There is something wrong with the GTX 400 series, and its pretty relevant now, noticing such a suck performance from what should be a bad-ass card with the specs. This is embarrassing.

and the 460 will perform like what

 

[trt740]

Thats what im completely baffled about right now guys. I mean regardless the 648Mhz clock on the old architecture 200 series gpu's it only has 240 stream/cuda cores to use.

But the GTX 465 has 350+ at just 607Mhz not much slower, Theres about 50% more cuda cores in the 465 then there is in a 285. Yes there bit wide interfaces are different, but the gpu's have different architecture's and GTX 400 series should be a better more efficient one at the least and its getting beat by old 285 with a what should be a big cripple. But no some how the 465 just sucks balls right now. Its amazing. Confusing. Maybe its got to be a cap with the Bit wide buss or something. Really couldnt be though.

There is something wrong with the GTX 400 series, and its pretty relevant now, noticing such a suck performance from what should be a bad-ass card with the specs. This is embarrassing.

and the 460 will perform like what

It has less texture units is the problem here is a bit from the review. The most probable explanation for the benchmark results is the ridiculously low number of texture units on the card, only 44. For comparison, the HD 5850 has 72 TMUs, the GTX 285 has 80. Overall the card offers decent performance for most gamers at lower resolutions up to, including 1680x1050.

 

[PopcornMachine]

ATI does it with cpus and gpus and there is nothing wrong with this at all. If two core work out of 4 cores it's a dual core, if some shaders don't work it's a 5850. The geforce boys aren't the only ones doing it, heck you bought a 4830, which is a dumbed down 4870.

I'm saying that the GF100 chip failed to work as designed. ATI put out a new line of DX11 GPUs that were more powerful than the previous generation, yet used less energy. They didn't have to disable them at the start just to get them to market.

The GF100 was supposed to run 512 cores. Apparently that worked bad enough that they could never release it, so we got the GTX 480 that works just enough so that it doesn't melt or cause power outages.

So this is not about release of cut down versions of GPUs. Of course I know they all do that, and sometimes it produces a good product.

Again, what I'm saying is that the whole GF100 line is based on a badly engineered chip. They are all failures. And only those that would buy NVIDIA without thinking twice about it are buying these cards.

 

[3volvedcombat]

It has less texture units is the problem

ahh 44 texture units for the 465 vs 80 texture units for the 285

Is there something wrong with nvidia's design or they just decided to put less texture units in the 400 series because of the different architecture? 465 is a disillusionment, looks like it should perform like a beast, but its crippled by texturing units.

 

[Easy Rhino]

ahh 44 texture units for the 465 vs 80 texture units for the 285

Is there something wrong with nvidia's design or they just decided to put less texture units in the 400 series because of the different architecture? 465 is a disillusionment, looks like it should perform like a beast, but its crippled by texturing units.

this is just..........

i was waiting for the 465 thinking it would be a much less expensive than the 470 but with a few overclocking tweaks and some better drivers the performance would be close. clearly this is not the case. i go nvidia because i like to fold but now i am beginning to think it is not worth it.

 

[trt740]

I'm saying that the GF100 chip failed to work as designed. ATI put out a new line of DX11 GPUs that were more powerful than the previous generation, yet used less energy. They didn't have to disable them at the start just to get them to market.

The GF100 was supposed to run 512 cores. Apparently that worked bad enough that they could never release it, so we got the GTX 480 that works just enough so that it doesn't melt or cause power outages.

So this is not about release of cut down versions of GPUs. Of course I know they all do that, and sometimes is produces a good product.

Again, what I'm saying is that the whole GF100 line is based on a badly engineered chip. They are all failures. And only those that would be NVIDIA without thinking twice about it are buying these cards.

How are they failures the 480 gtx is the most powerful single gpu on earth . I own one and it works great, it runs no hotter in my case than a 8800 gtx and the fan seems no louder than the prior generation. It needs a more aggressive fan setting but than can be fixed with afterburner. I do love the 5800 series and wouldn't hesitate to buy one they are great cards, but there is zero wrong with the 400 gtx series, could it be better? yes but as is it is a beast.
It needs a good powersupply for sure and it's a power hog but thats only a issue when gaming and thats usually a few hours a day. If you buy a 470 gtx heat doesn't become a issue at all, power consumption comes down a bit and the fan isn't loud!!!! plus it's a overclocking monster. They 465 gtx just needs a price adjustment at it's current pricing a 5830 or 5850 is a better choice ( I believe they are overpriced aswell) example at the 5850's price point a 470 gtx is a better buy. I could go all day, to me the only cards out that make sense price wise are the 5770, ref model 5870 and 480 gtx. To me all the rest are not priced right.