Vayra86Its really all about expectations and perspective plus 'what you know'. The PC isn't more complicated anymore, and then you don't even need to DIY one either. You can get Windows pre installed and you just push the power button and install a launcher. The differences are in the UI, not much else.

FrickYou just have to look to this here forum for so many threads by people just wanting to play games on Windows and they have weird problems, problems console users don't have to deal with.

Vayra86And 99% of the time its a typical case of PEBCAK ;) People thinking they know more than they do and not following instructions. It happens everywhere, and sure, I agree, that makes PC's more difficult, because you can actually do different things on it. OTOH, we don't see users reporting their success stories nor their console issues on a PC/tech forum, right? Its not the place.

But seriously though. If you follow a guide, its pretty hard to go wrong. If you follow a random 'Tuber's best way to gain ad revenue, sure, you shall fail, but again, that's another universal truth not one of DIY PCs. Darwin at work, I guess.

I don't subscribe to the idea that a race to the bottom is a good thing, because really that's what all this 'fast food' is. Consoles, take away food, delivery to your door -, its all about being serviced and not doing a damn thing yourself - and therefore being dependant, gullible, and likely very easy to manipulate. Its a race to the bottom, its not cheaper, and you reap no benefits other than being able to sit in total apathy looking at a screen.

chrcolukWe dont even need a pro model the PS5 works fine, just stop with the RT nonsense and there isnt really any significant hardware bottleneck.

It could definitely do with a slim model, and it needs much more games. Dont see the point of this pro model, and I expect PS5 base games to suffer because games will now be designed to work on this Pro model with the base being the forgotten child.

Vayra86It is for another topic I agree, but consider how much this is a matter of perspective. Consoles always thrived on having one or more unique selling points. Where are they? I don't see them anymore, besides 'plug and play'... which is an outright lie, because you're downloading and updating just the same.

Just a sticker with PS5 and only disadvantages connected to it won't fly. But consoles are rapidly moving in that direction, in fact they've already arrived there, most people just fail to realize it.

TheoneandonlyMrKI think you need to chill out.

How many here do you think Started directly on pc gaming.
Consoles are cheaper.
And over 37 or more years ago even I started this adventure on consoles not pc.

I actually see the actual kids moving from consoles to pc at their request each Christmas, between 8/12 they Want a pc even though a Ps5 is there.

And as a stepping stone it worked for me and millions of others.

Race to the bottom.

Have a word, your sounding elitist and snobby, perhaps I missed your point though.

Solid State Soul ( SSS )Am sorry, but what? :(

Consoles are always as plug and play as it can get, you don't need to worry about broken ports and windows compatibility issues, having to upgrade, ect ect.

This is especially true with ps4 as most games hit there target frame rates most the time

PC gaming is very expensive today, and with ps5 punching so much above its price point with 60 fps games and 4k support it is trivial to buy a pc of you are on a budget

NvidiumIt will still be 30FPS for AAA titles, watch and see.

The Quim ReaperConsoles used to be packed with interesting bespoke hardware that would outperform a top end PC for a year or two after release.

Now they're just Small form factor PCs in a fancy case using slightly tweaked, cost reduced PC tech.

TheoneandonlyMrKI think you need to chill out.

How many here do you think Started directly on pc gaming.
Consoles are cheaper.
And over 37 or more years ago even I started this adventure on consoles not pc.

I actually see the actual kids moving from consoles to pc at their request each Christmas(especially as a small scale builder word of mouth only), between 8/12 they Want a pc even though a Ps5 is there.

And as a stepping stone it worked for me and millions of others.

Race to the bottom.

Have a word, your sounding elitist and snobby, perhaps I missed your point though.

Ps I part why I'm sat resetting a newly upgraded with a 3060 pc too, it worked then it didn't and since I can't be asssed I went with a easy reset, the 8 year old owner had already done it once, gave up and went back to his pS5, but wants to game on pc still.
I think he's started on the PCMR curve.

kapone32The funniest thing is that PC would not exist without Atari. The console birthed the PC. Another quirk in the World the Ronald Reagan created.

80-watt HamsterThe console and the PC are different branches along the computing evolutionary tree. Atari was in talks with IBM at one point to be the contract manufacturer for what became the 5150, but IBM had already been producing the predecessors to what we know as the PC for several years before Atari released their first product (AFAIK) that could be considered a computer, the VCS/2600, in 1977. Given that the microcomputer revolution got rolling in the '70s, and the 5150 was released only months into his presidency, I fail to see what Reagan has to do with any of this.

kapone32



Look at 1980 and see the spike in the interest rate. Look at how Republican Presidents effect the Fed rate. Nothing jumps out like 1980 to 1982. This was a direct result of killing the social attempt to level the playing field and ended with Free trade. The 80s were the decade that made greed fashionable and socialism a bad word.

Vayra86Was lost the moment it went x86. We all knew this, only marketing denies it, so the sheep eat it as a console. But its PC, it runs the same api's, the same games, has varying configs, and goes obsolete faster than consoles ever did because they get succeeded by better versions, with the inclusion of a constant push to 'upgrade' your hardware for a better experience. Except, you're replacing the whole system that way, you don't control backwards compatibility, and you pay for your internet connection.

Smart business eh
Everyone saying the console will replace the PC and PC gaming is gonna die obviously didn't get it. The console is becoming part of the PC ecosystem instead. Its the mainstream console that is dying. The leftovers are handhelds, mobiles, etc... and most of them run the same games regardless. :)

80-watt HamsterOk, so how does that relate to Atari, other consoles, and the PC?

SonicjmsWas that ever really true besides maybe for the 7th gen? The NES, SNES, even N64 did not have the performance of PCs of their time (much less the storage for game size), which makes sense considering that especially the NES and SNES were way way cheaper than a PC at the time. Idk about 6th gen consoles but I'm pretty sure the Xbox while it had good specs for its price wasn't outperforming a good pc from the same year.

kapone32According to the narrative and what I lived through. Atari was just the beginning and after the video Game crash of the 80s. We had Colecovision, Intellivision and others. The effects of juicing the interest rate was felt in the entire economy and if your mortgage is at 16% the first thing to go are luxury items like those new consoles. Especially when food is 4x the cost. Combine that with getting rid of State income tax and you have a scenario where the Commodore 64 solves the equation by being a low cost 64 bit machine. Then I watched as magazines like EGM would pump Falcon Northwest and others. Do you remember the $14000 you could win PC in EGM? At any rate PCs became uber luxury in the 80s and it was not until they took those jobs and gave them to Taiwan in the 90s. The US was the only country that had that level of consumer electronics and Japan was well positioned by being basically the backbone of the arcade. Those same consoles were sold by better looking ports of Arcade Games. F me even the concept of an allowance for your child seems alien in this new world. That meant that only those with the money could make consoles and that shifted to Japan and the rest is history. Atari tried to respond but the reduction in the quality of education for all Americans resulted in a failed attempt. What people don't remember is that in 1980 and 81 kids were all into Video Games and the console was the solution for after school Arcade action coming home. That is why a lot of Games today are made for people who were kids in the 70s and 80s.

EasoIf nothing else then console lifecycles have shortened for sure and that means spending money more often. On the other hand - 10 years of X360 and PS3 was probably not great for game development...