5950X - Lowering SOC Voltage at 0.9

[redc0de]

So guys,

I am running

Processor	AMD 9 5950X
Motherboard	B550 ASUS ROG STRIX GAMING WIFI II
Cooling	DEEPCOOL LS720
Memory	32GB DDR4
Video Card(s)	AMD RX 6800
Storage	1 TB NVME M.2 SSD
Display(s)	AW2720HF - AW2720HFA
Case	NZXT H7 ELITE
Power Supply	Asus Rog Strix 1000W

And I had issues with GPU dropping to zero for a second from 99% and jumping back to 99% while gaming and was giving me microstuttering, first I thought it was the CPU so i returned the cpu back to the amd and they sent it back telling me CPU is all fine, Alright so the next thing I suspected was Power Supply because I was running an bad power supply 750W so I went and bought an Power Supply Asus Rog Strix 1000W, and still the issue persisted, and i came to a conclusion it was the motherboards VRM! So I lowered the SOC voltage to 0.9 and capped the GHZ to 4.10

So my question is:

Should my motherboard be faulty or it happens because it cant overclock an 5950x just fine and keep it stable when it overclocks? I can still return back this motherboard if it's faulty bcos I've got warranty on this another 6 months!

and Also the other reason why i posted in this category here is, should my system be fine if I drop the SOC voltage to 0.9 with 4.10GHZ? I mean it's running fine like this, No throttling and all stable but I just want to ask, is it safe to keep the CPU at lower SOC voltage like this with 4.10GHZ? It just doesn't sound right to me even tho the Games are running very fine like this!

Please let me know about the motherboard and the SOC voltage! THANK YOU

 

[freeagent]

Run it at stock until you get a handle on things. The board can drive that cpu with no problems.

 

[Assimilator]

You've changed a whole bunch of things and wasted a lot of peoples' time because you've made assumptions instead of doing proper troubleshooting.

 

[GerKNG]

No... to everything in your post.
CMOS reset, XMP on. Boot.
reinstall windows and/or look what kind of software you're installing.

 

[redc0de]

Run it at stock until you get a handle on things. The board can drive that cpu with no problems.

It doesn't run right at stock, because as soon as it hits the temps in cpu of 60C while gaming that's it the stutter starts and gpu bounces from 99%to 0% , I can't monitor the vrm on this board because it s not showing up on HWINFO64, and what I've read so far is that this board doesn't allow that. So what I did is just lowered the SOC voltage to lower the temp of CPU and that way i figure it out that VRM won't get hot just to figure if the VRM is the problem!

You've changed a whole bunch of things and wasted a lot of peoples' time because you've made assumptions instead of doing proper troubleshooting.

Why you getting MAD? I did a proper Troubleshooting literally tried everything, PRIME94, CineBench, and so many other troubleshooting, I wasted people's time!? I am sorry for wasting ur time, I also wasted a lot of money as well, if you don't like it just don't reply bruv calm down.

No... to everything in your post.
CMOS reset, XMP on. Boot.
reinstall windows and/or look what kind of software you're installing.

I wiped out the windows so many times, upgraded - downgraded bios, installed all the drivers from the beginning, never installed any software, only drivers and two games and it still did it.

 

[A Computer Guy]

So guys,

I am running

Processor	AMD 9 5950X
Motherboard	B550 ASUS ROG STRIX GAMING WIFI II
Cooling	DEEPCOOL LS720
Memory	32GB DDR4
Video Card(s)	AMD RX 6800
Storage	1 TB NVME M.2 SSD
Display(s)	AW2720HF - AW2720HFA
Case	NZXT H7 ELITE
Power Supply	Asus Rog Strix 1000W

And I had issues with GPU dropping to zero for a second from 99% and jumping back to 99% while gaming and was giving me microstuttering, first I thought it was the CPU so i returned the cpu back to the amd and they sent it back telling me CPU is all fine, Alright so the next thing I suspected was Power Supply because I was running an bad power supply 750W so I went and bought an Power Supply Asus Rog Strix 1000W, and still the issue persisted, and i came to a conclusion it was the motherboards VRM! So I lowered the SOC voltage to 0.9 and capped the GHZ to 4.10

So my question is:

Should my motherboard is faulty or it happens because it cant overclock an 5950x just fine and keep it stable when it overclocks? I can still return back this motherboard if it's faulty bcos I've got warranty on this another 6 months!

and Also the other reason why i posted in this category here is, should my system be fine if I drop the SOC voltage to 0.9 with 4.10GHZ? I mean it's running fine like this, No throttling and all stable but I just want to ask, is it safe to keep the CPU at lower SOC voltage like this with 4.10GHZ? It just doesn't sound right to me even tho the Games are running very fine like this!

Please let me know about the motherboard and the SOC voltage! THANK YOU

I would reset UEFI/BIOS back to defaults. Make sure you have the UEFI/BIOS update that fixed the TPM stuttering issues. Run the CPU and voltages at stock. Reapply XMP. Reapply Rebar. Disable CSM. Check ZenTimings to make sure your infinity fabric speed isn't applied wonky. Record the voltages the motherboard set by default so you have a reference, even post them back here, a ZenTimings screenshot should do it. Then retest your games pinning them to the cores on the first CCD only and see if that makes a difference.

Also make sure your game is running in full screen mode not windows borderless. That little bit plagued me with Horizon Zero Dawn for the longest time before I figured out it was doing that by default causing stuttering. Now I check that one setting first for every game I play.

You should provide more details on the RAM you are using and it's speed.

Also what games are having the problem on your system?

 

[Zach_01]

SoC voltage is only responsible for IOD power. On a CPU like yours (or my 5900X) this cant be over 25W max.
My SoC power typically fluctuates between 14~15 up to 20~21W depending task/load, and I'm running 1.1V SoC. IOD hotspot temp is 30-35C
Lowering SoC to 0.9V can only save a couple of Watt. This cannot affect really CPU temp.
Also... cutting voltage on (any) chips can only harm stability and nothing else. No physical harm whatsoever.

Lowering core frequency to 4.1GHz can certainly improve temperature.
BTW how you managed to do that? Are you running a static/fixed multiplier?

 

[redc0de]

I would reset UEFI/BIOS back to defaults. Make sure you have the UEFI/BIOS update that fixed the TPM stuttering issues. Run the CPU and voltages at stock. Reapply XMP. Reapply Rebar. Disable CSM. Check ZenTimings to make sure your infinity fabric speed isn't applied wonky. Record the voltages the motherboard set by default so you have a reference, even post them back here, a ZenTimings screenshot should do it. Then retest your games pinning them to the cores on the first CCD only and see if that makes a difference.

Also make sure your game is running in full screen mode not windows borderless. That little bit plagued me with Horizon Zero Dawn for the longest time before I figured out it was doing that by default causing stuttering. Now I check that one setting first for every game I play.

You should provide more details on the RAM you are using and it's speed.

Also what games are having the problem on your system?

Default! Still Same thing... Bios is up to date, reapplied XPM, CSM Disabled, tried literally everything I've been trying to fix this solution for months, changed almost everything including PSU from 750w to 1000W Asus Rog Strix A tier , tried it with different RAM sticks I have Corsair Vengeance Ram 3600MHZ tried to 3200MHZ also changed it all to HyperX Ram 3200MHZ tried it with that as well, bought a new ssd, god knows how many times i wiped it out, how many times i reseted the CMOS and literally everything but the motherboard is the only thing I didnt change, also here's the fact that when I restart the PC and start to play a game like COD DMZ or Dota or GTA V or Red Dead works just like it's supposed to work for 15min - 30min and then it starts again the micro stuttering - my gpu bouncing to zero from 99% that's when the stuttering happens, it does it for a second and jumps back to 99% , and now what I think is the VRM heats up overtime after 15min - 30 Min.. could it be the VRM are faulty? Because when I bought the motherboard it didn't even had a sticker that is in the package to open it, but the pins seemd all brand new and everything else was brand new, probably someone before me returned it bcos he saw the issue that was the VRM!

 

[A Computer Guy]

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Default! Still Same thing... Bios is up to date, reapplied XPM, CSM Disabled, tried literally everything I've been trying to fix this solution for months, changed almost everything including PSU from 750w to 1000W Asus Rog Strix A tier , tried it with different RAM sticks I have Corsair Vengeance Ram 3600MHZ tried to 3200MHZ also changed it all to HyperX Ram 3200MHZ tried it with that as well, bought a new ssd, god knows how many times i wiped it out, how many times i reseted the CMOS and literally everything but the motherboard is the only thing I didnt change, also here's the fact that when I restart the PC and start to play a game like COD DMZ or Dota or GTA V or Red Dead works just like it's supposed to work for 15min - 30min and then it starts again the micro stuttering - my gpu bouncing to zero from 99% that's when the stuttering happens, it does it for a second and jumps back to 99% , and now what I think is the VRM heats up overtime after 15min - 30 Min.. could it be the VRM are faulty? Because when I bought the motherboard it didn't even had a sticker that is in the package to open it, but the pins seemd all brand new and everything else was brand new, probably someone before me returned it bcos he saw the issue that was the VRM!

Have you tried a different GPU? Have you tried pinning the game to the cores only on the first CCD? I don't recall there being much of an issue gaming on Zen3 with dual CCD's but I could be wrong. I don't happen to play those games so I don't know if they have issues with dual CCD chips.

If you think it's VRM temps (which I found doubtful) a simple test you can do is open the case and get some high airflow on it with a box fan or something. If that pushes the stutter effect beyond where it doesn't occur in the first 15 to 30 minutes then perhaps you have an answer in that you can benefit from better cooling somewhere.

 

[Waldorf]

@redc0de
the problem is, changing stuff all at the same time, wont let you pinpoint the issue.

for now, if your not on it, go back to bios 3405 or 3404, as 3607 is fixing stuff for pre 5000 series, and not really needed for your cpu.
load defaults, make sure to disable spread spectrum/global C-state control/gear down/power down,
then run HCI or TM5 to make sure you dont have faulty hw, and once confirmed that it can do defaults "stable",

THEN you can start to use tweaked settings, but dont use AMP/XMP, just set MANUALLY for ram/bus clocks and voltage,
make sure you set CMD to 2T (for now), as i doubt your kit will do 1T, and havent seen any non bdie (or similar) to do 1T with 4 sticks),
use 40 for procOdt, 20 for all DrvStr.
confirm with TM5/HCI, if stable, THEN you can start to mess with soc/vddp settings..

and as others said: make sure you have sufficient airflow around the cpu/ram/vrm area, sometimes ram can get a little warm,
and might become unstable, as it cant handle the temp, even if not hot to the touch..


@A Computer Guy
not seen anyone with a recent win 10 release and drivers, having to "tweak" anything related to cores (pining) for proper gaming, even on 5950,
at least not for stability reasons.

 

[A Computer Guy]

@A Computer Guy
not seen anyone with a recent win 10 release and drivers, having to "tweak" anything related to cores (pining) for proper gaming, even on 5950,
at least not for stability reasons.

I suggested pinning because perhaps some games may still be sensitive to CCD latency across the infinity fabric causing stuttering or perhaps cache related issues when bridging across CCD's. It's a simple procedure to do and easy to test without any special software required although if OP had Process Lasso it might be easier to apply core pinning to only the cores on the first CCD.

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Default! Still Same thing... Bios is up to date, reapplied XPM, CSM Disabled, tried literally everything I've been trying to fix this solution for months, changed almost everything including PSU from 750w to 1000W Asus Rog Strix A tier , tried it with different RAM sticks I have Corsair Vengeance Ram 3600MHZ tried to 3200MHZ also changed it all to HyperX Ram 3200MHZ tried it with that as well, bought a new ssd, god knows how many times i wiped it out, how many times i reseted the CMOS and literally everything but the motherboard is the only thing I didnt change, also here's the fact that when I restart the PC and start to play a game like COD DMZ or Dota or GTA V or Red Dead works just like it's supposed to work for 15min - 30min and then it starts again the micro stuttering - my gpu bouncing to zero from 99% that's when the stuttering happens, it does it for a second and jumps back to 99% , and now what I think is the VRM heats up overtime after 15min - 30 Min.. could it be the VRM are faulty? Because when I bought the motherboard it didn't even had a sticker that is in the package to open it, but the pins seemd all brand new and everything else was brand new, probably someone before me returned it bcos he saw the issue that was the VRM!

Have you tried using a different Keyboard and Mouse or trying the keyboard and mouse on different USB ports?

 

[redc0de]

I suggested pinning because perhaps some games may still be sensitive to CCD latency across the infinity fabric causing stuttering or perhaps cache related issues when bridging across CCD's. It's a simple procedure to do and easy to test without any special software required although if OP had Process Lasso it might be easier to apply core pinning to only the cores on the first CCD.


Have you tried using a different Keyboard and Mouse or trying the keyboard and mouse on different USB ports?

I didn't actually, and from what I've heard is that my currently mouse that I am using Razer Basilisk Hyper can cause this type of problems?! I am gonna try that and see how it goes, any mouse you'd suggest?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I didn't actually, and from what I've heard is that my currently mouse that I am using Razer Basilisk Hyper can cause this type of problems?! I am gonna try that and see how it goes, any mouse you'd suggest?

I can only say I use Logitech M570/M575 and Corsair Strafe RGB Mk.2 with my 5950x's and don't have any microstuttering issues at least with the games that I play.
( Note that I don't keep iCue running in the background. ) Razer has their own software, not sure if that can cause issues.


Did you try swapping out or adding some extra cooling to your NVMe drive? That will heat up and maybe you're getting inconsistent performance if it's getting too hot and throttling. Look at HWiNFO64 and see if it reports temps and what those temps look like after 15 to 30 minutes of gameplay.

 

[Zach_01]

...can cause this type of problems?! I am gonna try that and see how it goes, any mouse you'd suggest?

Yes it could do that, wireless mouse/keyboards sometimes cause this type of issues for no apparent reason.
I suggest to use a dirty cheap wireless mouse first before you spend deep on a new expensive device

EDIT: typo

 

[Waldorf]

@redc0de
as others said, close the sw before gaming, and reduce the polling rate to 1000 better 500 and see what happens.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

First thing I would suspect is that you got a buggy Adrenalin version. 24.1.1 works well for me.

I suspected that some versions before 24.1.1, are buggy, based on reports, and the ones after 24.1.1, may have a new bug.

 

[harm9963]

Never had problems with my 5950X and ASUS Dark Hero X570 , 3600CL14 tuned 32GB ,plus ASUS DOCS , over three years now .