Ryzen 5 5600x stock overclocked reaching high temps

[hermesa]

Couple of days ago I ordered brand new parts for building a new pc(I left my ssd , psu and ram not upgraded only)
Bought Ryzen 5 5600x paired with RX 7700 XT + Kolink observatory case white.
Everything good but right now I spend too much this month and should wait until the next month or two before I can afford proper CPU cooling and while CPU is idle it reach 40 idle with 80-85C when gaming + case closed. I expected from this case to be good (150 BGN which is around 60-70 euro/dollars) while my previous case was only 35 dollars and had way much better air cooling fans.Howsoever I tought these temperature for stock cooling on this CPU are a little bit higher and tried to undervolt the cpu from bios to 1.0025 or smth like that which lowered my temps but I got in mid-game BSOD and returned the settings to default. Then I tried the Curve optimizer to disable and set it to negative -10 which kept my system stable and today I tried -15 negative (tried some stress tests like CPU-Z etc.)(by the way cinebench program crashes when I try to start it but CoreCycler run properly and I closed it on the 15th minute) I am not very aware of how overcloking/undercloking/undervolting stuff works , I am away from that sector and I am pretty much sacred to touch this kind of settings in bios ,I wonder if this is safe for my system. I know that this certain CPU operating temperature can reach 95C degrees since its zen 3 architecture(until now I used ryzen 5 3600 with stock cooling and it was just fine temps) but somewhere I read that this decrease lifespan of the CPU which I don't like to be like that. Should I return default settings or keep it like that until I buy water cooling for my CPU ? By the way the GPU gets very hot because I believe it's more powerfull and the case have bad airflow despite the many fans it have big impact on the CPU temp as well when running games smth like 10-15 degrees up because of the gpu running and have to open the case door for better airflow....(daisy chained fans with power from SATA + mobo don't have comfortable spots for installing 3pin fans and generally this case was a mistake) Should I return my stock settings of the cpu or I can keep it like that ? Are there any risks ? Some people say that ''5600x is not a 'hot chip' '' and to check my manual of the mounting pressure of the cooler.

 

[Zach_01]

If the cooler now on 5600X is the same that the 3600 had then it should run the same temp if not better. 3600 has a default PPT at 88W and 5600X at 76W.
Can you show us a screen shot of HWiNFO64 sensors mode while running benchmarks and one after gaming?

Just make sure of 2 things first.
1. Enable the "Snapshot CPU Polling" on main settings.



2a. When running a bench, start it first and then hit the clock (reset values) at bottom right on HWiNFO and take a screenshot before bench is finished.
2.b When run the game hit the clock for reseting values just before you enter game and take screen shot right after you finish.



HWiNFO screenshot better be like the above for all sensors to be visible, also "current, min, max, avg" values.

 

[hermesa]

If the cooler now on 5600X is the same that the 3600 had then it should run the same temp if not better. 3600 has a default PPT at 88W and 5600X at 76W.
Can you show us a screen shot of HWiNFO64 sensors mode while running benchmarks and one after gaming?

Just make sure of 2 things first.
1. Enable the "Snapshot CPU Polling" on main settings.

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2a. When running a bench, start it first and then hit the clock (reset values) at bottom right on HWiNFO and take a screenshot before bench is finished.
2.b When run the game hit the clock for reseting values just before you enter game and take screen shot right after you finish.

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HWiNFO screenshot better be like the above for all sensors to be visible, also "current, min, max, avg" values.

Here is the end of the benchmark (passmark 1 only)multicore with PBO and CBS disabled in BIOS + WITHOUT Curve Optimizer set to negative (sorry i couldn't find how you did your graph to look like that , the only thing I found is sensors I don't know if that works for you)

Here is the end of the benchmark (passmark 1 only)multicore with PBO and CBS disabled in BIOS + WITHOUT Curve Optimizer set to negative (sorry i couldn't find how you did your graph to look like that , the only thing I found is sensors I don't know if that works for you)

Here is during gameplay in Battlefield 2042 + steam running in background+ ea games.... max settings same settings as benchmark (1080p)

 

[Keullo-e]

It's kinda hot but not too hot. You should be fine until you can afford proper cooling.

A cheap solution is to put some more rpm to the fan. Also curve optimizer will help.

 

[hermesa]

When I turned off PBO and CBS the temperatures improved since my CPU is not boosting up to 4.6(4.7 Ghz) And also turned off Curve optimizer. Should I turn on curve optimizer to negative 10-20 or 30 or turn it on at all ?

It's kinda hot but not too hot. You should be fine until you can afford proper cooling.

A cheap solution is to put some more rpm to the fan. Also curve optimizer will help.

There are 6 fans on the case which are set to DC power by default (0.2AM fans ARGB) and 1 main on my CPU which Is set to 100%. I set all of them to 100% in BIOS...Still no improvement since the case don't have any airflow at all.. The glass when I am playing games is not hot but not cold like it was on my previous case. When I open the case temperatures drop down by 5-6 Celsius degrees but still not enough I don't think the case is the problem at all because I try to reach lower temp with open glass case and still can't do it ...When PBO and CBS was turned on , it kinda like the CPU and GPU utilization was much lower but at much hotter temps(40-50max % CPU utilz + 50-70% GPU) , while now they are like 80% CPU + 100% GPU... Gpu is just fine with its temp.I have the same FPS as before , and in Superposition Benchmark the result points are the same , with 50 points less now ( 25093 to 20533)

It's kinda hot but not too hot. You should be fine until you can afford proper cooling.

A cheap solution is to put some more rpm to the fan. Also curve optimizer will help.

Isn't going the curve optimizator lower my performance too much considering the fact that I already disabled PBO and CBS ? I tried to mix them both , but CO enabled on negative 10 gives me 3.6 Ghz max clock speed , isn't that going to bottleneck my GPU too much ?

 

[Zach_01]

Here is the end of the benchmark (passmark 1 only)multicore with PBO and CBS disabled in BIOS + WITHOUT Curve Optimizer set to negative (sorry i couldn't find how you did your graph to look like that , the only thing I found is sensors I don't know if that works for you)


Here is during gameplay in Battlefield 2042 + steam running in background+ ea games.... max settings same settings as benchmark (1080p)

All that curve optimizer (negative steps) does is to lower voltage at any given frequency. It doesnt affect total power consumption (PPT) at the end. So heat coming out of CPU is roughly the same.
At first glance on your screenshot seems like the cooler not doing a great job, or case temp is high, or ambient temp is high.... or a combination of all these.
Everything else, that I can see, looks normal.

True power consumption of the CPU is 72.4W according to PPT + PowerReportingDaviation readings which is very normal.
76 / 1.05 = 72.4W

80C is not all that bad, Zen3 have max operating limit at 90C. Of course there is room for improvement, cooling wise.

 

[Keullo-e]

When I turned off PBO and CBS the temperatures improved since my CPU is not boosting up to 4.6(4.7 Ghz) And also turned off Curve optimizer. Should I turn on curve optimizer to negative 10-20 or 30 or turn it on at all ?


There are 6 fans on the case which are set to DC power by default (0.2AM fans ARGB) and 1 main on my CPU which Is set to 100%. I set all of them to 100% in BIOS...Still no improvement since the case don't have any airflow at all.. The glass when I am playing games is not hot but not cold like it was on my previous case. When I open the case temperatures drop down by 5-6 Celsius degrees but still not enough I don't think the case is the problem at all because I try to reach lower temp with open glass case and still can't do it ...When PBO and CBS was turned on , it kinda like the CPU and GPU utilization was much lower but at much hotter temps(40-50max % CPU utilz + 50-70% GPU) , while now they are like 80% CPU + 100% GPU... Gpu is just fine with its temp.I have the same FPS as before , and in Superposition Benchmark the result points are the same , with 50 points less now ( 25093 to 20533)


Isn't going the curve optimizator lower my performance too much considering the fact that I already disabled PBO and CBS ? I tried to mix them both , but CO enabled on negative 10 gives me 3.6 Ghz max clock speed , isn't that going to bottleneck my GPU too much ?

Ah, you disabled PBO, then I wouldn't use CO.

I used Ryzen Master and its auto detection for curve optimizer myself. -20 on every core with my 5800X, PBO +200 and boosts up to 5.05GHz. Watercooled (GPU is in the same loop) and goes a little over 80C in the worst scenarios.

 

[hermesa]

All that curve optimizer (negative steps) does is to lower voltage at any given frequency. It doesnt affect total power consumption (PPT) at the end. So heat coming out of CPU is roughly the same.
At first glance on your screenshot seems like the cooler not doing a great job, or case temp is high, or ambient temp is high.... or a combination of all these.
Everything else, that I can see, looks normal.

True power consumption of the CPU is 72.4W according to PPT + PowerReportingDaviation readings which is very normal.
76 / 1.05 = 72.4W

80C is not all that bad, Zen3 have max operating limit at 90C. Of course there is room for improvement, cooling wise.

Yep , as I read on the internet , 95C is safe temperature for this CPU but still doesn't seems good to reach that kind of temperatures and keep it like that.Honestly I am scared to play the games I wanted to play seeing the temperatures it reach I don't mind buying a new CPU after all because my most expensive part of the PC is the GPU which is 500 euros/dollars.Another fact is that I tightened the screws on the cooler to the max .I didn't overscrewed them but carefully and slowly screwed them to the max , is it possible for this to cause the main issue? Also yes - case is terrible and have no airflow at all+ CPU is unlocked and default CPU settings are set to max. Right now idle temp + 3% CPU utilization is 41.6C considering the fact that room temperature is 24-26C.

 

[Keullo-e]

Yep , as I read on the internet , 95C is safe temperature for this CPU but still doesn't seems good to reach that kind of temperatures and keep it like that.Honestly I am scared to play the games I wanted to play seeing the temperatures it reach I don't mind buying a new CPU after all because my most expensive part of the PC is the GPU which is 500 euros/dollars.Another fact is that I tightened the screws on the cooler to the max .I didn't overscrewed them but carefully screwed them to the max , is it possible for this to cause the main issue? Also yes - case is terrible and have no airflow at all+ CPU is unlocked and default CPU settings are set to max.

Nah, at least there's a good contact. The worst case overtightening to a backplate (like the stock cooler) what can happen, is breaking a thread or a screw.

Just remember to twist the cooler before removing when you install a new one so the CPU doesn't come together with the cooler.

 

[hermesa]

Nah, at least there's a good contact. The worst case overtightening to a backplate (like the stock cooler) what can happen, is breaking a thread or a screw.

Just remember to twist the cooler before removing when you install a new one so the CPU doesn't come together with the cooler.

I always do some stress test to rise the CPU temp in order to make the thermal paste more flexible and always twist the cooler because of the AM4 socket engineering ^^ I am wondering what water/air cooling to order for this build. I can spend up to 350 BGN(175-180 dollars/euros).Can you suggest me some.I don't mind if its air cooling or water cooling , I just need to do the job for this CPU. I even prefer AIR cooling because I am little bit of an scared of liquids next to my internal parts of the PC but if the water cooling can lower temps significantly I will go with water cooling

 

[Keullo-e]

I always do some stress test to rise the CPU temp in order to make the thermal paste more flexible and always twist the cooler because of the AM4 socket engineering ^^ I am wondering what water/air cooling to order for this build. I can spend up to 350 BGN(175-180 dollars/euros).Can you suggest me some.I don't mind if its air cooling or water cooling , I just need to do the job for this CPU. I even prefer AIR cooling because I am little bit of an scared of liquids next to my internal parts of the PC but if the water cooling can lower temps significantly I will go with water cooling

Well, I have an Alphacool Eisbaer 240 myself which I've modified (it's an expandable AIO), so there's my GPU in the loop now as well. Changed the rad to a thicker one, swapped the tubes for thicker ones etc.

Spoiler

(don't mind the hoses looking crappy, they're old as hell )

 

[hermesa]

Well, I have an Alphacool Eisbaer 240 myself which I've modified (it's an expandable AIO), so there's my GPU in the loop now as well. Changed the rad to a thicker one, swapped the tubes for thicker ones etc.

Spoiler

(don't mind the hoses looking crappy, they're old as hell )

That is too much complicated job for me I can't do that first because of budget , second I want to mount it as much as simple but effective in the range of 180 dollars CPU-only cooling system.So I will stick with only CPU cooling not connected to my GPU etc. It's a ''high bar'' for me Does one of these gonna get the job done ? one is Lian-Li GALAHAD II 360 Trinity performance and the other one is ThermalTake TH 360 V2 Ultra ARGB

This is the case specs for water cooling but don't know if any of these 2 will fit into ...

 

[Keullo-e]

That is too much complicated job for me I can't do that first because of budget , second I want to mount it as much as simple but effective in the range of 180 dollars CPU-only cooling system.So I will stick with only CPU cooling not connected to my GPU etc. It's a ''high bar'' for me Does one of these gonna get the job done ? one is Lian-Li GALAHAD II 360 Trinity performance and the other one is ThermalTake TH 360 V2 Ultra ARGB

This is the case specs for water cooling but don't know if any of these 2 will fit into ...

Arctic Liquid Freezer III offers the best bang for buck.

 

[DR4G00N]

I'd just stick with an air cooler, it's only an 80w CPU at the end of the day. Something like a Thermalright PA120 would work great.

I mean I have a Hyper 212 (which is much smaller than a PA120) on my 5600 and it has absolutely no problem keeping it cool while being almost silent.

 

[Zach_01]

Yep , as I read on the internet , 95C is safe temperature for this CPU but still doesn't seems good to reach that kind of temperatures and keep it like that.Honestly I am scared to play the games I wanted to play seeing the temperatures it reach I don't mind buying a new CPU after all because my most expensive part of the PC is the GPU which is 500 euros/dollars.Another fact is that I tightened the screws on the cooler to the max .I didn't overscrewed them but carefully and slowly screwed them to the max , is it possible for this to cause the main issue? Also yes - case is terrible and have no airflow at all+ CPU is unlocked and default CPU settings are set to max. Right now idle temp + 3% CPU utilization is 41.6C considering the fact that room temperature is 24-26C.

Actually Zen3 has 90C max operating temp. 95C is for Zen2.
Again its normal temps for such a small cooler. Of course I would change it.
I use AIO water coolers for the last almost 7 years. Im on my second now the last 3-4months.

80W max power consumption does not really require water cooling or even a massive air tower, but in my book is always good to have room for upgrade when cost is not a problem.
If you want to get a nice AIO its ok and ArcticFreezer-III is a good choice for the money. There are versions with and without led light.

 

[Vya Domus]

It's fine.

 

[hermesa]

Actually Zen3 has 90C max operating temp. 95C is for Zen2.
Again its normal temps for such a small cooler. Of course I would change it.
I use AIO water coolers for the last almost 7 years. Im on my second now the last 3-4months.

80W max power consumption does not really require water cooling or even a massive air tower, but in my book is always good to have room for upgrade when cost is not a problem.
If you want to get a nice AIO its ok and ArcticFreezer-III is a good choice for the money. There are versions with and without led light.

I am worried about the hot air in my case interfering with the air cooling system on my CPU if I buy AIR cooling.Also I consider buying the water cooling because of future upgrades but the question is which one. I will buy new CPU and Mobo maybe but it won't be soon. I don't mind the noise , even if it sounds like a jet engine, just want to play games peacefully knowing that I am not frying my parts and I don't want to make a mistake buying air cooler which potentionally can not make the job done because I can't spend any more money on cooling if I make some mistake choosing the AIR cooling I prefer give money once for something reliable no matter how much is the price(not like 500 dollars water cooling) . In my country we say - the cheap things always get you to the expensive ones

 

[Zach_01]

I am worried about the hot air in my case + the air cooling system.Also I consider buying the water cooling because of future upgrades but the question is which one. I will buy new CPU and Mobo maybe but it won't be soon.

AIO is a way to dump heat directly out of case, if it has room at the top preferably.
New CPU and mobo I assume changing platform from AM4 to something else?

Im asking because you just got this CPU right?

 

[hermesa]

AIO is a way to dump heat directly out of case, if it has room at the top preferably.
New CPU and mobo I assume changing platform from AM4 to something else?

Im asking because you just got this CPU right?

Yes , exactly. There is a long story about this. So , I was with msi z87-g45 mobo(2014) + i5 4690 non-k ver. and 1070ti msi but I got too much bottleneck in CS2 so I decided building a ddr4 based pc on a budget months ago. Bought MSI B450Plus Gaming MAX with ryzen 5 3600 combined with my 1070ti in order to get the most out of the GPU .. Somehow I managed to short circuit the mobo placing the inapropriate screws(brand new mobo with 2nd hand ryzen 5 3600 with second hand 1070ti). I returned for MRA the mobo but already waited 2 months. Couldn't wait more and returned back to my old 2014 mobo msi z87-g45 and used it until days ago when I decided to buy another kind of ddr4 mobo(ASUS TUF Gaming B550 WiFi II) + brand new cpu(R5 5600x) + brand new gpu(RX 7700 XT Steel legend) while only using my old ram sticks(ddr4 gskill 3200mhz) ssd and PSU(EVGA Supernova G2 650watts)... So yes , my next upgrade will be the mobo(If CPU requires ddr5 only) and the CPU maybe to ryzen x3d version and I will get the cooler now just to cover my needs right now + room for upgrade to better cpu in future.I wonder if I will need better PSU for this water cooling I am thinking to buy? ( Аnd yes , my case have place for top fans/water cooling. here is the picture of my case specs for top case cooling system , It says something about 360mm , but would it fit on some of theese AIO coolings that I mentioned I don't know for sure..

Sorry for the bad editting pictures I upload

 

[Zach_01]

Yes , exactly. There is a long story about this. So , I was with msi z87-g45 mobo(2014) + i5 4690 non-k ver. and 1070ti msi but I got too much bottleneck in CS2 so I decided building a ddr4 based pc on a budget months ago. Bought MSI B450Plus Gaming MAX with ryzen 5 3600 combined with my 1070ti in order to get the most out of the GPU .. Somehow I managed to short circuit the mobo placing the inapropriate screws(brand new mobo with 2nd hand ryzen 5 3600 with second hand 1070ti). I returned for MRA the mobo but already waited 2 months. Couldn't wait more and returned back to my old 2014 mobo msi z87-g45 and used it until days ago when I decided to buy another kind of ddr4 mobo(ASUS TUF Gaming B550 WiFi II) + brand new cpu(R5 5600x) + brand new gpu(RX 7700 XT Steel legend) while only using my old ram sticks(ddr4 gskill 3200mhz) ssd and PSU(EVGA Supernova G2 650watts)... So yes , my next upgrade will be the mobo(If CPU requires ddr5 only) and the CPU maybe to ryzen x3d version and I will get the cooler now just to cover my needs right now + room for upgrade to better cpu in future.I wonder if I will need better PSU for this water cooling I am thinking to buy? ( Аnd yes , my case have place for top fans/water cooling. here is the picture of my case specs for top case cooling system , It says something about 360mm , but would it fit on some of theese AIO coolings that I mentioned I don't know for sure..

Sorry for the bad editting pictures I upload

I dont see why your current ASUS TUF B550 Plus board cannot support the 5800X3D

 

[hermesa]

I dont see why your current ASUS TUF B550 Plus board cannot support the 5800X3D

I never checked if its AM5 or AM4 becuase I am far away from upgrading for now. Well if it's AM4 then it's even more convenient for me to upgrade saving from mobo Maybe I will need to check which x3D CPU is AM5 to upgrade both mobo and CPU later in order to get even more performance.But right now temperatures are my main problem

 

[Zach_01]

Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen3 are all AM4 (Its desktop series 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000)
Zen4 is AM5 (desktop series 7000)

AM5 will probably get 2 more CPU upgrades. One of them is coming this year, after summer I will assume. Series 9000 most likely.

 

[Superzuber]

Temps seems pretty normal for stock cooler imo, if you want to improve cooling get some tower air cooler with 12cm fan (I'm not a fan of water cooling if you don't need it - and you don't).
I have same CPU, MB and Fera 5 cooler and my temps are at least 10-15 degrees lower then yours.
I don't use PBO because the performance gain is too small to justify much higher power consumption and heat generated. Curve Optimizer I find good if you have time to properly test stability of each core (which takes lot of time imo).

 

[hermesa]

Temps seems pretty normal for stock cooler imo, if you want to improve cooling get some tower air cooler with 12cm fan (I'm not a fan of water cooling if you don't need it - and you don't).
I have same CPU, MB and Fera 5 cooler and my temps are at least 10-15 degrees lower then yours.
I don't use PBO because the performance gain is too small to justify much higher power consumption and heat generated. Curve Optimizer I find good if you have time to properly test stability of each core (which takes lot of time imo).

I tried it at -10 and -20 negative , it stays good and I think it doesn't crash.But as soon as I touched the voltage in BIOS settings I got 1-2 hour of gaming and then crashed and never tried again.

 

[Superzuber]

yea, CO needs lot of testing with different loads (and frequencies) which is not hard with corecycler but time consuming as it doesn't run on all the cores at same time (I had error after 24h+ testing)
I think if you just slap some decent air cooler on your 5600x you'll be happy, you can tinker with PBO, CO after that if you feel like it, but you should also try to tune your RAM (could be even more benefical than PBO etc)