Sunday, August 16th 2009

ATI ''Evergreen'' Promises You Won't Believe Your Eyes

All bets are off, AMD's DirectX 11 compliant GPUs are on course to compliment the commercial launch of Microsoft Windows 7, with enough of a head-start to allow buyers to have DirectX 11 hardware by the time they have the new OS. Codenamed "Evergreen", AMD's new family of graphics processors are slated for September 10, that's 25 days from now.

The company further carried out demos of its upcoming hardware to sections of the media in private, at their suite in the same hotel in which Quakecon 2009 is being hosted at. Behind the covered side-panel of the Lian-Li is a working sample, which AMD refused to let being pictured. Legit Reviews sneaked around the case to take a shot of its panel nevertheless.

AMD further demonstrated over six new technology demonstrations including Parallax Occlusion Mapping, Detailed Tessellation, and High-Definition Ambient Occlusion, all of which will be some of the key ingredients of DirectX 11, and in all of which, AMD's hardware is churning out high frame-rates at 2560x1600 pixel resolution.

Sources: Legit Reviews, Techpulse360
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153 Comments on ATI ''Evergreen'' Promises You Won't Believe Your Eyes

#1
entropy13
PP Mguire said:
Oh and just read the quotes. Thats Assassins Creed which if im not mistaken the "10.1" support was taken out almost immidiately. Which makes me believe that it was "theoretical" 10.1 support.
10.1 was taken out because it's "the way it's meant to be played" :roll:
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#2
PP Mguire
But, i also wasnt talking about a game that my 7950GT could play either.
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#3
entropy13
PP Mguire said:
But, i also wasnt talking about a game that my 7950GT could play either.
But I'm also wasn't talking about a game that my GeForce 6600 could play either.


Ubisoft removed 10.1 in Assassin's Creed because Nvidia forced them to do so. Simple as.
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#4
Mussels
Moderprator
PP Mguire said:
There was no reading to it. AMD said it right in front of me. Go grab a 10.1 card and play Hawx with AA enabled. = lag
not here. i get faster performance, as does just about every ATI user.


seriously... your information is wrong.

theres only one place i can see that reported differently, and thats tomshardware. and they complain of blackscreens and crashes with high AA in the game at high res - but oh yeah, they're running a 32 bit OS, so their results go out the window.

I'm looking for results now, or i'll just install the damn thing and test it.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2344301,00.asp
With AA disabled, the Nvidia cards are faster than the ATI cards, despite lacking DirectX 10.1 support. It looks like DX 10.1 really pays off when you turn on anti-aliasing, though—the ATI cards are considerably faster there.

...

Stormrise is unique in that it is the first major PC game to only support DirectX 10 or better. This, naturally, makes it Vista-only. It also supports DirectX 10.1, and like HAWX, doesn't really enable new features with the DX 10.1 path so much as use the extra features of the 10.1 API to render the game more efficiently.
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#5
a_ump
dx10.1 definitely helps. at least it does for me in stalker clear sky

dx10.1
Avg: 46.389 - Min: 0 - Max: 63
dx10
Avg: 31.716 - Min: 0 - Max: 39

that's a major difference, one that i didn't even notice cause i've always played with dx10.1 enabled. i was only using 2xaa at 1280x1024 as at 1680x1050 with aa it lags too much. So to test with aa i set it to 2x and 1280. i used the same area and did exactly or as close to as exactly as i could get with each test btw
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#6
Mussels
Moderprator
AA was 'forgotten' in the DX10 specs thanks to nvidia, requiring an additional rendering pass to be done to add AA over the top.

Since thats how HDR is done, the two conflicted (hence why HDR + AA doesnt work in DX10 games)

AA in 10.1 requires one less pass, so it can be used for other things giving a performance boost. the 'not quite accurate' reports say that 10.1 gives you 'free' 4x antialiasing - there is a performance hit, its just minimal (and far less than in DX10)
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#7
joey_sfb
Tell Tomshardware editors about it. They will not enable dx10.1 on their Hawx benchmark due to the 30% gain over Nvidia dx10 card. Nvidia is a big advertising customer so I understand their stand.

This is the first time i heard it the other way around!!! HAHAHA:roll:

PP Mguire said:
There was no reading to it. AMD said it right in front of me. Go grab a 10.1 card and play Hawx with AA enabled. = lag
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#8
jaydeejohn
Heres a good breakdown on early DX10, and how it was changed, in the early stages, with M$ thinking of bringing it in in the SP1 patch. Good read
http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2007/03/03/optimized-for-vista-does-not-mean-dx10.aspx
And we cant leave Anand out of the mix, as DX10.1 and AC was not looked kindly upon them on the way Ubi and nVidia handled it:
"Reading between the lines, it seems clear that NVIDIA and Ubisoft reached some sort of agreement where DirectX 10.1 support was pulled with the patch. ATI obviously can't come out and rip on Ubisoft for this decision, because they need to maintain their business relationship. We on the other hand have no such qualms. Money might not have changed hands directly, but as part of NVIDIA's "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" program, it's a safe bet that NVIDIA wasn't happy about seeing DirectX 10.1 support in the game -- particularly when that support caused ATI's hardware to significantly outperform NVIDIA's hardware in certain situations."

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3320&p=6
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#9
MomentoMoir
Pp is right the amd guy said that I was in the amd suite with him
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#10
Mussels
Moderprator
the AMD guy might have said it, but several of us have claimed otherwise - and there are reviews and links agreeing.

Whoever that AMD guy is, he either has no clue about DX10.1, or you guys misheard him.
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#11
Steevo
"Numbers Don't Lie"


Steevo, Right here, right now.





Write that down.


PP, did you enable 10.1 on a ATI hardware enabled card, or a Nvidia card.
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#12
a_ump
Steevo said:
"Numbers Don't Lie"


Steevo, Right here, right now.





Write that down.


PP, did you enable 10.1 on a ATI hardware enabled card, or a Nvidia card.
i've never heard of anyone being able to enable dx10.1 on a nvidia card.
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#13
Mussels
Moderprator
i beleive he was talking about the AMD guy, that they may have misheard him and that he was saying nvidia disabled it because it ran slow on their hardware.
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#14
TheMailMan78
Big Member
a_ump said:
i've never heard of anyone being able to enable dx10.1 on a nvidia card.
I think he means in game. Kinda like when you start up Physx on an ATI rig everything goes to pot. It maybe the same thing with a 10.1 setting and Nvidia.
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#15
Steevo
I am also curious how he has Nvidia cards listed in his setup, and yet claims to have issues with 10.1 that is only available on ATI cards......
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#17
a_ump
i love the fact that devs are now starting to support dx10.1 in more titles. i'm thinkin dx11 won't take off till at least q2 2010, so i hope any games that come out from now till then have dx10.1
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#18
Steevo
I guess I severly underestimate the number of Nvidiots in the world.
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#19
[I.R.A]_FBi
Steevo said:
I guess I severly underestimate the number of Nvidiots in the world.
sig worthy
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#20
roast
Was so tempted to buy two GTX295's a couple weeks ago....
So happy I didnt now that the DX11 GPU's will be released soon.
nVidia seem to be lacking lately...nice to see AMD previewing DX11 GPUs first...
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#21
trt740
I hope this card turns out great
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#22
zaqwsx
PP Mguire said:
There was no reading to it. AMD said it right in front of me. Go grab a 10.1 card and play Hawx with AA enabled. = lag
I was at that suite also and amd didn't talk about dx 10.1. That whole suite thing was to show off dx11 "tessellation" and how it dosn't create a performace hit with way more eye candy. AMD is ready to ship while Nvidia is lagging behind though the 3D stuff nvidia has was preaty cool. Next by the look of your sig you have an Nvidia card go grab an ATI and run a dx10.1 game you shouldn't get any performance drop if that was the case then why in the hell were they showing off Hawx and had it running on the vedor pc for everyone to play with.
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#24
MomentoMoir
Mussels said:
the AMD guy might have said it, but several of us have claimed otherwise - and there are reviews and links agreeing.

Whoever that AMD guy is, he either has no clue about DX10.1, or you guys misheard him.
how do two people hear a person wrong and the AMD guy we talked to is one of the head of AMD btw I think we have video footage of it i'll check and if we do I'll post the video

then maybe you'll believe lol =P
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#25
erocker
Senior Moderator
MomentoMoir said:
how do two people hear a person wrong and the AMD guy we talked to is one of the head of AMD btw I think we have video footage of it i'll check and if we do I'll post the video

then maybe you'll believe lol =P
What you heard doesn't matter. Some of us are going against your word due to actual experience with DX10.1, so I guess the guy at AMD was either wrong, or the words didn't come out of his mouth right, or your both misunderstood him. Most likely he said one thing and meant another.
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