Tuesday, December 29th 2009

NVIDIA Fermi-based GeForce GPU Further Delayed?

NVIDIA's next-generation GeForce GPU based on the Fermi architecture is reportedly further delayed to March 2010, up from its originally expected time-frame of January. NVIDIA on its part maintained that Fermi-based GeForce GPUs will be released sometime in Q1 2010, and with a March launch, that would still stand true.

Fermi's development history is marked with late arrivals. The DirectX 11 compliant architecture was announced in October 2009 to counter the market-available DirectX 11 compliant ATI Radeon HD 5800 GPUs. Then in mid-November, the company released the first products based on the architecture - GPGPU accelerators under the NVIDIA Tesla HPC banner. An alleged working prototype GeForce accelerator was spotted around the same time, with word doing rounds that NVIDIA will be ready with the new GeForce GPU in early Q1, probably coinciding with the CES event. Faced with further delays, NVIDIA reportedly notified its partners that the new GPUs will be released to the marked only in March.

NVIDIA plans to launch the 40 nm Fermi-GF100 GPU which is DirectX 11 compliant and supports GDDR5 memory in March, and will launch a GF104 version. Till then, the mainstream-thru-performance segments will be left to be defended by GeForce GTS 250, GT 240, GT 220, 210, 9800 GT, against a fortified mainstream lineup by AMD consisting of ATI Radeon HD 5670/5650 (codenamed "Redwood"), and ATI Radeon HD 5450 (codenamed "Cedar"). These DirectX 11 compliant GPUs from AMD will be released in January.Source: DigiTimes
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136 Comments on NVIDIA Fermi-based GeForce GPU Further Delayed?

#1
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Marineborn said:
What if i need 2 run to versions of crysis at the same time! DONT ASK QUESTION!!! it is needed. lol
Why 2??? You can barely play fluently (and not on all levels) Crysis on a 5970 card...:eek:

Cold Storm said:
But, it's not all about the games... GPU's are used in more then games.. Rendering, Photoshop, Cad, Video editing.. There's more to it then just Games.. I love the fact that it doesn't take as long for my GTX 295 to render a project. That's what I grabbed a High end card..
Then you should have bought a professional 3D card like Quadro...
#2
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
Delayed eh? Ima just wait then ^^. And would still wait a bit longer for the price to settle down on the post hype plateu :D.
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#3
Cold Storm
Battosai
TAViX said:


Then you should have bought a professional 3D card like Quadro...
I don't do professional end stuff, so a Quadro would be more of a waste of money then just getting a high end card.
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#4
Bo$$
Lab Extraordinaire
Marineborn said:
*Stares at bo$$* there is no such thing as uneeded POWER!!! what if i need 2 run to versions of crysis at the same time! DONT ASK QUESTION!!! it is needed. lol
:laugh::laugh:
seriously i JUST upgraded to dual 9800gt crysis at X4AA @1920X1080 a solid 40FPS

:toast:
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#5
Bo$$
Lab Extraordinaire
Cold Storm said:
But, it's not all about the games... GPU's are used in more then games.. Rendering, Photoshop, Cad, Video editing.. There's more to it then just Games.. I love the fact that it doesn't take as long for my GTX 295 to render a project. That's what I grabbed a High end card..
rendering takes less than a few seconds on most apps with these cards, i use all of the above and few are GPU accelerated anyway
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#6
Sasqui
Reading this makes me happy that I splurged on a 5870... at least happy for the moment!

Though I am ATI loyal, I hope the 300 GPU brings another "Leap Frog" performance jump. Competition is a good thing :toast:
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#7
Cold Storm
Battosai
Bo$$ said:
rendering takes less than a few seconds on most apps with these cards, i use all of the above and few are GPU accelerated anyway
Yeah, there is a few that are GPU accelerated, but you can say the same thing with DirectX 11... Just a few out there.

I know ATI cards can render, but I'm stating as in where Nvidia has went with the companies to go and work to use their products..


I just feel, Nvidia is a better well rounded card then ATI. Not that ATI isn't good. I do like ATI, It just for me, Nvidia helps me out more then ATI.



Now to everyone.. Do you feel that Nvidia gave ATI the stuff due to all the legal stuff that went down this year with Nvidia/ati? I'm not saying that ATi didn't do a stand up job at getting a great series of cards out. I'm just thinking the reasoning for the push back might be legal terms they came up with due to the legal blows that happened...
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#8
PP Mguire
DrPepper said:
They have a lead in the DX11 market. Since there are no competitors then its hard not to lead. That market is still tiny compared to DX10 cards and DX9.

That said this news will make some people who are waiting for Fermi to switch to ATI since waiting til an almost obsolete card arrives is futile.
ATI have the market lead in a market that dosent exist yet. DX11 games are .... 1. By the time Fermi comes out we might have.... 2. So how is the card obsolete? Nvidia dosent give a crap about ATIs puny attempt at a GPU considering their year and a half to 2 year old GPUs are still keeping up with ATIs current DX11 gen. So i say, how is Fermi gonna be obsolete by the time it hits shelves? The DX11 market wont have even begun yet and it will just be another ATI stomping party. No nvidia fanboy, just i hate to see misinformed and uneducated posts like this flying around in a topic such as this. Coming from somebody who knows Fermi chips are gonna own.
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#9
mdm-adph
btarunr said:
Fermi's development history is marked with late arrivals. The DirectX 11 compliant architecture was announced in October 2009 to counter the market-available DirectX 11 compliant ATI Radeon HD 5800 GPUs. Then in mid-November, the company released the first products based on the architecture - GPGPU accelerators under the NVIDIA Tesla HPC banner. An alleged working prototype GeForce accelerator was spotted around the same time, with word doing rounds that NVIDIA will be ready with the new GeForce GPU in early Q1, probably coinciding with the CES event. Faced with further delays, NVIDIA reportedly notified its partners that the new GPUs will be released to the marked only in March.
That's funny -- just not too long ago I was being told that the G300 had always been on schedule for late December 2009, there's never been ANY real delays, and everything was going smoothly.

I wonder if Newtekie will finally admit that the G300 is behind schedule now. :laugh:

newtekie1 said:
The Q4 2008 and Q1 2009 dates were nothing more than extremely early speculation based on nothing, it was never official from nVidia. Just a bunch of news reporters saying it "could" be out by Q4 2008, or it was comeing out "as early as" Q1 2009.

Q4 2009 has been the official release schedule since nVidia announced it back in December 2008.

So, no, it was never Q4 2008, then Q1 2009. It has always been Q4 2009.
PP Mguire said:
ATI have the market lead in a market that dosent exist yet. DX11 games are .... 1. By the time Fermi comes out we might have.... 2.
I still don't understand this reactionary response to declare the 5000 series as only leading in the "DX11 market."

Last I checked, the 5000 series were also the fastest-performing DX10 cards.

I bet they're fastest in DX9, as well.

And let's not get started on DX8.
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#10
Mussels
Moderprator
DanTheBanjoman said:
Is that so? How many people actually have 5000 series cards then?
quite a lot, really. 5770's are rather popular, and dont seem to have shortage problems.
NVIDIA reportedly notified its partners that the new GPUs will be released to the marked only in March.
marked = market?


the point is, while the 5k cards may have a useless lead in DX11, its a few months where people come and ask "what do i buy?" to websites, friends, family, and coworkers. and the longer it takes for nvidia to get a DX11 card out, the more and more people will reccomend people buy a DX11 ATI card for "future proofing".

its a slow, gradual effect - its not going to take them out of business or anything, but its still a negative for nvidia.
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#11
mdm-adph
Mussels said:
the point is, while the 5k cards may have a useless lead in DX11, its a few months where people come and ask "what do i buy?" to websites, friends, family, and coworkers. and the longer it takes for nvidia to get a DX11 card out, the more and more people will reccomend people buy a DX11 ATI card for "future proofing".

its a slow, gradual effect - its not going to take them out of business or anything, but its still a negative for nvidia.
Screw DX11-capabilities -- I'm already recommending ATI's 5000 series just for EyeFinity and superior OpenCL support.
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#12
PP Mguire
Im considering a 5770 just for a cheap replacement for my 4850 :laugh:
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#13
Cold Storm
Battosai
mdm-adph said:
Screw DX11-capabilities -- I'm already recommending ATI's 5000 series just for EyeFinity and superior OpenCL support.
Eyefinity.. I forgot all about that.. I knew there was a reason that I wanted to pick up a ATI card to play with..


Wasn't with the 4xxx series that everyone went for a 4850 due to how the performance was? Just like the 5770's?
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#14
Mussels
Moderprator
eyefinity, openCL, direct compute, DX11, extremely good power efficiency (stunning at idle)


yes, nvidia will come out with a beefy card. but if they cost $500 and use 250W of power, most people arent going to touch it.

I guess a lot of fanbois need to remember that Nvidia hasnt always been on top, in the GF4 and FX series, ATI managed to take the lead for some time. Its certainly possible for another time like that to roll around.


as to those defending nvidia with the "wait and see" approach, lets try that:

ATI: cards already out.
Nvidia: nothing.

Hmm.. so far, i see ATI in front. and since i cant predict the future (accurately), i'm going to stick with the idea that "ATI is in front, and will be for a few months"
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#15
PP Mguire
For a few months compared to the few years Nvidia is out in front. My ti4600 kicked my uncles 8500 btw.
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#16
Cold Storm
Battosai
Oh yeah, ATI will be in front for sometime to come. For me, I'm happy that it's happening. A lot more can come out from this.
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#17
shevanel
more time to save up that $699 I'm going to need if I want to play with one of the cheap ones.

even when it does launch.. will they have enough supply? will ati's stock be fortified enough to lure in the people out looking to buy sold out GT3s?
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#18
Mussels
Moderprator
PP Mguire said:
For a few months compared to the few years Nvidia is out in front. My ti4600 kicked my uncles 8500 btw.
well duh, radeon 8500 was the competitor to the Geforce 3, not the GF4 Ti.

http://www.guru3d.com/review/ati/radeon8500/
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#19
PP Mguire
The G3 was the competitor but 4000 was the answer to 8500. My 4600 even rivaled the mighty 9700pro in some areas when overclocked. 9800pro ftmfw. Way off topic though
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#20
AsRock
TPU addict
Well there both having issue's with 40nm and and if not sorted out the ATI 6xxx range will be getting to that point were it's in the same boat as nV.

This to me is allowing ATI to catch up on whats on the GPU it's self but once that die size gets bigger the more issue's start for ATI too.

And if there was no 40nm issue for ATI i'm sure nV would be doing a lot better too.
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#21
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
TAViX said:
Why 2??? You can barely play fluently (and not on all levels) Crysis on a 5970 card...:eek:



Then you should have bought a professional 3D card like Quadro...
no that would be stupid. a quatro is good if you need to do fast openGL or something. but in all honesty i dont even think their all that faster. its all a matter of perspective really i mean pixar may want the extra 2 hours it would take my 4GPU's to render it put them twords another frame. but imo 2 hours isnt worth an extra 4k. ill just get a BJ and skip down to the mall get some dunkins and another vid game. come back and it will be done.
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#22
Unregistered
If Crysis is now for all intent and purpose, playable, does it really matter if Fermi is a powerhouse of a card? All of the games seem to be made for console's first and PC second. From what I can gather, console/PC games do not really use the power of a PC to full capacity. Being designed for PC is what made Crysis such a good game.

So if Fermi beats ATI, then what will be the claim to fame? To be able to say this card plays 10fps over that card is not really very impressive when there is only one game to test with.

The 5870 owned all of the games except Crysis, so what is the point of hyping a better card for games if you are already at or over (sometimes way over) 100fps?

They should be working on the angle that this is THE card for DX11 and future games and will win over ATI. Until we see a lot of DX11 games made for the PC, we just have two cards battling for Crysis supremacy and what they may do with programs and games that haven't been written yet.

DX10/.1 is lying on the canvas. This round may belong to whomever can convince the public that their card is better at running programs that don't exist.
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#23
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
DanTheBanjoman said:
Is that so? How many people actually have 5000 series cards then?
more people have 4xxx series cards than 5xxx series cards even here on this forum



PP Mguire said:
The G3 was the competitor but 4000 was the answer to 8500. My 4600 even rivaled the mighty 9700pro in some areas when overclocked. 9800pro ftmfw. Way off topic though
my 4200 rivaled the 9800PRO when i oc'd it. they all carried the same cores just different clock speeds on them and i was lucky enough to have a 4800's core on my 4200 :D 340/680 all day long on that card
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#24
Mussels
Moderprator
my ti 4200 OC'd to 4600 speeds as well. Nv had the lead there. they didnt next generation.

a question to PP's comments about the 8500 vs 4600:

In your mind, is fermi going to be the counter/equal to ATI's cards that are out NOW, or out at the time fermi comes out?

To me, its got to counter the cards that come out when fermi does. Thats going to be ATI's refresh, and ATI has a 6 month lead there. That is why i beleive ATI is ahead here. (NV's first gen cards tend to be hot, power hungry, fast, and expensive. look at 8800GTX and GTX 280) - vsing something like that against something even more power efficient than ATI's 5K cards... well, i know which one average joe is going to get - the one that doesnt make his PSU explode.
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Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
must...resist...buying...gtx...275...
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