Wednesday, June 2nd 2010

Galaxy Readies Dual-Fermi Graphics Card

Galaxy is finally breaking ground on graphics cards with two GF100 "Fermi" GPUs from NVIDIA, with the company displaying one such design sample at the ongoing Computex event. The dual-Fermi board uses essentially the same design NVIDIA has been using for generations of its dual-GPU cards, involving an internal SLI between two GPUs, which connect to the system bus via an nForce 200 bridge chip, and are Quad SLI capable.

The power conditioning and distribution on this design consists of two sets of 4+1 phase VRM, the card draws power from two 8-pin PCI-Express power connectors. The GPUs carry the marking "GF100-030-A3", which indicates that it has the configuration of GeForce GTX 465, and since we count 8 memory chips per GPU system with no traces indicative of the other two memory chips per GPU sitting on their own memory channels, on the reverse side of the PCB, it is likely that the GPUs have a 256-bit wide memory interface. Galaxy, however, calls the card GTX 470 Dual. Output connectivity includes 3 DVI-D, with a small air-vent. It's likely that the cooler Galaxy designs will dissipate hot air around the graphics card, rather than out through the rear-panel.

Source: HotHardware
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105 Comments on Galaxy Readies Dual-Fermi Graphics Card

#1
Tatty_One
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Fourstaff said:
I cant see how that can be a good "mid range" graphics card, power consumption is going to be quite high. But I do see this card as a filler between the GTX480 and HD5970
Agreed, however, the "average" consumer/gamer does not get too wound up about wattage and amperage, they simply try to find out if the card will play their favorite game and buy it, the enthusiast however, as we know is a different beast, the bottom line is, if the cards performance is above that of a HD5870 and GTX470/480 but below that of an HD5970, providing it does not cost as much as the 5970 then it will sell..... quite simply, there are millions of people out there who will not buy ATi because they have always had NVidia, of course the same applies the other way round, I am not suggesting for one minute that this will be a good card, just saying that it probably will have a market, albeit the dual GPU market is pretty narrow in any case. Personally, it does not interest me in the slightest, the only dual GPU card I have owned is the HD4870x2 and I didnt like it, it was hot,and noisy, the upside was that I dint like the neighbours who lived 4 houses away and when I gamed with the 4870x2 it always woke their children up :)
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#2
HalfAHertz
Best of luck to Galaxy on their newest endeavor.
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#3
pr0n Inspector
nah noise won't be problem. this card begs for water.
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#4
JayliN
newtekie1 said:
Read the quoted text, it really isn't that hard to follow.
465s in sli matching a 5970?

yea, its clear you made a bs statement with meaningless numbers to back it up. try again.
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#5
JayliN
HillBeast said:
Why are people still going on about 465s for? It clear says below the card "DUAL GTX 470". It may say on the cores they a 465s but bear in mind that this is a mock up. Do you honestly think that card will resemble the final product? Remember the original Fermis, they had wood screws on them. Someone pull their GTX480 apart and tell me where the wood screws are. Do you seriously think that Galaxy are going to waste a good GTX 470 core on a mock up card? Do you know how expensive those things are?

It's a Dual 470 and it's as simple as that. If Galaxy says it is, then it is.
Beyond what is marked on the gpu itself, the number of memory chips points to a 256bit bus as pointed out numerous times in this thread. GTX470s run off a 320bit interface.
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#6
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
JayliN said:
Beyond what is marked on the gpu itself, the number of memory chips points to a 256bit bus as pointed out numerous times in this thread. GTX470s run off a 320bit interface.
They havent showed the back of the card's pcb, so memory quantity can be ruled out for now..
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#7
the54thvoid
After my physics lesson heres a history lesson- thanks for correcting me guys (but it's still an issue that power generates heat albeit heat increases resistance which increases power draw - ooh it's almost like the Matrix in its infinite circular complexity). :toast:

Nvidia Naming

GTX 295 = 2 x GTX 275
Mars GTX 295 = 2 x GTX 285

So it doesn't matter if it's called a Dual GTX 470, it does not mean it is 2 x GTX 470.

Similarly, a HD5970 = 2 x 'downclocked to 5850' 5870's.
and the new monsters at 4GB are HD5970 = 2 x 5870's (at stock)

GFX nomenclature is as reliable as a chocolate solar panel.

However, on the power front, the review at tweaktown for GTX 465 sli puts it at more draw than the HD 5970 and almost the same (40 watts out at load) as a 4GB HD5970 (higher at idle than one anyway). Point being 465 sli is a good indicator of the maximum potential of this card if it is 2 x GTX 465.
But i must stress Tweaktown's gaming choices are exceptionally pro Nvidia (res evil 5, Far Cry 2, Batman, Darkest days etc). I'd like to see Crysis and BFBC2 in there.
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#9
Flavius
the54thvoid said:

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GTX 295 = 2 x GTX 275
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Similarly, a HD5970 = 2 x 'downclocked to 5850' 5870's.
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or GTX295 = 2x "downclocked to GTX260 216sp" GTX275's. :p
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#10
the54thvoid
I think NV should realise how much they've missed the boat in terms of newer cooler & efficient tech and launch a dual GF 100 480 core (x2) monster and call it 'Inferno'. I'm serious. Take a hit for what they've got wrong and capitalise on it. They'd regain the 'single card' crown and have an absolute beast. Sell it with the same cooler as the 4GB Sapphire HD5970 or water cool it from scratch. Surely EVGA could do this?

I wouldn't buy it but it'd be a blast to see! They'd have to sell it with a sticker on the box saying "F*ck the PCI power specs- this is INFERNO!!!" :rockout:
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#11
newtekie1
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JayliN said:
465s in sli matching a 5970?

yea, its clear you made a bs statement with meaningless numbers to back it up. try again.
No, two GTX480s matching two HD5970s, see the quoted text and learn to read.

I'll make it easy for you:

My original comment:
newtekie1 said:
And yeah, two GTX480s perform the same as two HD5970s, so really two GTX465s would probably scale well enough to match a single HD5970.
His responce:
douglatins said:
Try getting 40K in vantage with 2 480's like 2 5970 can.
It was at that point that the conversation shifted from two GTX465s outperforming a single HD5970 to two GTX480s outperforming two HD5970s, which led to my post explaining that two GTX480s outperform two HD5970s. See, was that hard to follow?

Again, my original statement about the GTX465s was hardly BS, as it was obviously my opinion on the subject based on other experienece with SLi/Crossfire scaling(you can tell this by my use of the words "so" and "probably"), because there really hasn't been any good reviews that directly address the issue.
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#12
mdsx1950
newtekie1 said:
No, two GTX480s matching two HD5970s, see the quoted text and learn to read.
I gotta disagree there. Maybe 3x GTX 480s match 2x HD 5970s.

Sorry bro. But you just spoke BS up there. :shadedshu
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#13
newtekie1
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mdsx1950 said:
I gotta disagree there. Maybe 3x GTX 480s match 2x HD 5970s.

Sorry bro. But you just spoke BS up there. :shadedshu
*Sigh*

Look at the charts.

Overall
2x HD5970 = 12% Better than single HD5970
2x GXT480 = 13% Better than single HD5970

@2560x1600
2x HD5970 = 19% Better than single HD5970
2x GTX480 = 18% Better than single HD5970

There is nothing more conclusive than that. It seems SLi between two GTX480s scales a whole hell of a lot better than two HD5970s.

I love it when someone posts charts from very respected reviews that prove their point, then another person comes in and say "Nope, I disagree, what you said is BS" and doesn't even bother to show at least a small amount of evidence to back them up...:rolleyes:
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#14
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
can u run two of these for 4gpus?
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#15
newtekie1
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DaMulta said:
can u run two of these for 4gpus?
It seems to have an SLI finger on it, so I would think yes, or at least I hope yes becuse that would be sweet.
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#16
OnBoard
OK, now NVIDIA went crazy. Forget the GTX 465/470 times two.

Nvidia prepares dual chip card
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/19052/1/

Two 460?! really? I had a hard time believing GTX 460 would even beat 5770 yesterday, but now it should beat 5850 (to beat 5970).

So what could have they done with GF104? Full 60TMUs like in GTX 480 or close to that? Then you'd get same shader performance but bigger fillrate.
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#17
the54thvoid
newtekie1 said:
*Sigh*

Look at the charts.

Overall
2x HD5970 = 12% Better than single HD5970
2x GXT480 = 13% Better than single HD5970

@2560x1600
2x HD5970 = 19% Better than single HD5970
2x GTX480 = 18% Better than single HD5970

There is nothing more conclusive than that. It seems SLi between two GTX480s scales a whole hell of a lot better than two HD5970s.

I love it when someone posts charts from very respected reviews that prove their point, then another person comes in and say "Nope, I disagree, what you said is BS" and doesn't even bother to show at least a small amount of evidence to back them up...:rolleyes:
There is one glaring omission here and i'm not disagreeing with the superb scaling of the GTX4xx range in sli - BUT, 2 x HD5970 isn't crossfire, it's quad, as in quad sli. We gotta bear in mind the ratings. GTX480>HD5870>GTX470>HD5850. A HD5970 is 2 x 5850 which beat out the GTX480 but not by double so when the GTX480 doubles up, it beats the HD5970, even in 2x HD5970 because the returns diminish from 2 -3 - 4 card set ups.

No arguments though, GTX 4xx series scale very well.
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#18
erocker
Well, I'm very much looking forward to this card, the price and power requirements. If they all fit within my range I'm thinking I'd like to try one out. :)
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#19
HillBeast
pr0n Inspector said:
Those numbers are the minimum requirements. Decent PSUs(read: 18AWG wires, powerful 12V rail(s)) can provide well over 150W on a pci-e 8 pin* connector.


*in fact, even 6-pin can do it since most 8-pin connectors are 6+2.
Yeah but like you said, the decent ones do it. There are still the other ones out there that won't do more than 150W and it's not going to be safe. They still shouldn't be risking going over the PCI-E specs.
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#20
mdsx1950
newtekie1 said:
*Sigh*

Look at the charts.

Overall
2x HD5970 = 12% Better than single HD5970
2x GXT480 = 13% Better than single HD5970

@2560x1600
2x HD5970 = 19% Better than single HD5970
2x GTX480 = 18% Better than single HD5970

There is nothing more conclusive than that. It seems SLi between two GTX480s scales a whole hell of a lot better than two HD5970s.

I love it when someone posts charts from very respected reviews that prove their point, then another person comes in and say "Nope, I disagree, what you said is BS" and doesn't even bother to show at least a small amount of evidence to back them up...:rolleyes:
Newtekie from that time, there have been alot of drivers for the 5970 boosting the performance. The drivers at the time when the 5970 was released sucked. There were tons of issues. nVidias scale better than ATi, i agree there. But the 5970 performs much better on the 10.4a drivers for me. Maybe its just my personal experience. I can assure that the 5970s on crossfire perform better than in the review now. :shadedshu
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#21
newconroer
HillBeast said:
Only water cooling would be viable but even that would be a struggle if it's on the same loop as the CPU.
Which is why enthusiast hardware users don't use chintzy Thermaltake on a loop with four components in it.

You build a separate system for the GPU(s).

Now just to see how this stacks against 480SLI...
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#22
filip007
nVidia must prepare for the next level, like ATi with Southern Island on 28nm probably that's the ultimate win overall.
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#23
Fourstaff
filip007 said:
nVidia must prepare for the next level, like ATi with Southern Island on 28nm probably that's the ultimate win overall.
They just launched Fermi recently, I think they should finish their top to bottom lineup and a few revisions first before moving to "Fermi 2". ATi has finished their top to bottom lineup, found that they didn't need a revision and so they are speeding up Southern Islands. That's what I think anyway.
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#24
newtekie1
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mdsx1950 said:
Newtekie from that time, there have been alot of drivers for the 5970 boosting the performance. The drivers at the time when the 5970 was released sucked. There were tons of issues. nVidias scale better than ATi, i agree there. But the 5970 performs much better on the 10.4a drivers for me. Maybe its just my personal experience. I can assure that the 5970s on crossfire perform better than in the review now. :shadedshu
As I said, you are welcome to show some proof that, but I go on what I've seen, and that is what I have seen. I haven't read every review, and things may have changed since then, but I'm going on what I've seen.

However, to not even show a little evidence about what you say really makes it seem like you are the one speaking BS, not me. And I would suggest that the next time you say what someone says is BS, especially when that person how shown proof from respectable reviews, you at least make a little effort to show why, otherwise it is just trolling. You have had two chances to show some proof to back your statements up, yet you haven't, so that is even worse trolling.
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#25
mdsx1950
newtekie1 said:
As I said, you are welcome to show some proof that, but I go on what I've seen, and that is what I have seen. I haven't read every review, and things may have changed since then, but I'm going on what I've seen.

However, to not even show a little evidence about what you say really makes it seem like you are the one speaking BS, not me. And I would suggest that the next time you say what someone says is BS, especially when that person how shown proof from respectable reviews, you at least make a little effort to show why, otherwise it is just trolling. You have had two chances to show some proof to back your statements up, yet you haven't, so that is even worse trolling.
GTX 480 3-Way SLi VS 5970 CFX[/quote]Now please don't come up with some lame excuse telling the figures or fake or that the site is BS. I checked 90% of the figures with the TPU review and is very similar.

Only when it comes to Tessellation does the GTX 480 overpower the HD 5970.

Guess your right as usual. :nutkick:
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