cadavecaYou can interpret my comments as you wish; there's many more of my opinions on the front page, in my reviews. If they inspire you, please, have a read!!! ;)

Thanks for the infomercial. :)
This sound familiar ? ;)

I am on topic, frankly, because as far as I am concerned, any of these changes, to release dates, or products that will be released, are directly due to AMD's new CEO, who has held the position for all of what, two weeks?


In the last two weeks, a lot @ AMD has changed, IMHO. I can't comment about Bulldozer performance, and won't until you see the numbers in my reviews, but that has no bearing in the discussion at hand, anyway.

Anyway, as erocker already posted, this whoel thread is based on speculation and unconfirmed rumour. Interesting, but still speculation.

So are these CPU's going to be better than Sandy Bridge?

CrAsHnBuRnXpSo are these CPU's going to be better than Sandy Bridge?

NOBODY has any idea, and those that do, can't say. At what? Games? Encoding? Office applications? Server-based HPC? It's all still up in the air.

Why is its performance so tight lipped?

CrAsHnBuRnXpWhy is its performance so tight lipped?

The Osborne effect

On my home computer for games and what have you, i still run a E8500 at 4.2Ghz i'm holding out for a intel 22nm ivy bridge upgrade it just looks so good in concept if not i have the money put away for an much needed update. Short of BD beating sandy bridge solidly in performance at price point after tweaking i doubt i see my planned upgrade to align with an amd cpu.

but what will happen on 13th Sept, at San Fransisco?

de.das.dudebut what will happen on 13th Sept, at San Fransisco?

That's an APU event, not Bulldozer. There might be some Bulldozer info that comes out from there, but I doubt it'll be anything "official". The event invite came out of AMD Dev, so I assume they've mostly got some stuff to talk about optimizing performance with the GPU and CPU in the same silicon, but it seems to not be so much an event as a party, too, so who knows. Seems mostly liek a morale boosting event, and quite rightly timed, seeing the new CEO is in place. There's no way I could be there next week, so I simply deleted the invite.

I always seem to look at price n then future expansion, thats how i came up with my bros build.

HumanSmokeExcept when they say Q3 presumeably...


So they shouldn't have a nodding acquaintance with the truth?
Product Schedules – This is the most asked question that I get. Today we gave granularity down to the quarter. We expect to launch the client version of “Bulldozer” (code named “Zambezi”) in Q2 2011. The server products (“Interlagos” and “Valencia”) will first begin production in Q2 2011, and we expect to launch them in Q3 2011.
Presumeably this John Fruehe character has clearly gone rogue- where's Steven Seagal when you need him

And this has to do with Bulldozers release date how?

Anyhow, I wasn't aware that AMD had released performance benches for Bulldozer. Links please.

See thats all fine and dandy but someone commenting CEO or not vs the official stance of the company which has been Q4 for almost 4 months now is completely different. See what you fail to understand is there have been MANY guesstimations on the release date of Bulldozer since day one. Both by speculators and AMD themselves. However Bulldozer has only been pushed back once and that was back in June. So we went from Q3 to Q4. OMGBBQ BULLDOZER IS DEAD BECAUSE A MARKETING SLIDE IS A FEW WEEKS OFF! Its all about perspective man.

What I find even funnier is that all this school girl reaction is or a f$%king rumor linked from a credible source with no name from another site with no direct links to AMD. Ya know TPU can do the same thing. W1zz can tell Bta to create a news post that TPU has a credible source that Intel's next processors are made from potato skins and is powered by the heart of an orphaned African child. Bta could make graphs and slides too. So what then? Are you buying stock in the Idaho potato company and calling Amnesty International after that?

TheMailMan78Intel's next processors are made from potato skins and is powered by the heart of an orphaned African child.

Careful, someone might actually use that line and state that you are the source :laugh:

repman244Careful, someone might actually use that line and state that you are the source :laugh:

I already did.

TheMailMan78W1zz can tell Bta to create a news post that TPU has a credible source that Intel's next processors are made from potato skins and is powered by the heart of an orphaned African child. Bta could make graphs and slides too. So what then? Are you buying stock in the Idaho potato company and calling Amnesty International after that?

It is going to be hard to overclock :(.

TheMailMan78Intel's next processors are made from potato skins and is powered by the heart of an orphaned African child

I'll take a side of those bacon tasting pencils with it... Narf! :D

After thinking a bit, maybe Intel pays for its delay

Well Dave said it already, but I can repeat. You can't have a delay on a date that was unconfirmed speculation. This is just further BS and/or further proof that past speculations were BS.

Just be glad it is winding down and release should happen before BF3.

TheLaughingManWell Dave said it already, but I can repeat. You can't have a delay on a date that was unconfirmed speculation. This is just further BS and/or further proof that past speculations were BS.

Just be glad it is winding down and release should happen before BF3.

Well, I mean, I do understand the confusion though, too. AMD had a different CEO, with earlier launch dates, who wanted Bulldozer first, and APUs last, as there was only one fab line running the 32nm node.

The board of directors said no, APUs need to come out, and warned the CEO about it, and when, @ CES, he re-iterated that the focus was NOT APUs, he got fired.

Since then, the board has been looking for someone to do what they wanted..APUs a priority, and Bulldozer not. Since then, any and all release dates were suspect, in my opinion, becuase clearly AMD's focus as a corporate whole was in question.

I think the original plan was to mature the process using the BD chips, but now they used the APUs, which, even as "slow" as they are, do meet very decent levels of performance for thier intended market.

As AMD doesn't talk about things not quite ready for sale, none of this sort of info ever goes really public, and I'm really just guessing, but looking back at the past year or so, it does seem to make sense in hindsight.

Now, of course, part of the reason i think so is because of the console market, and the rumours that AMD has secured design wins in each major "next-Gen" console. Consoles are going to use APUs, or in the very least, the GPU portion of AMD's APU design, so it made sense that perhaps there was a rush to get that type of chip up and running.

Previously, there wasn't plans for so many FX models, as they planned the first 32nm process update to go to the APUs, but now that the APUs are already out in full force, Bulldozer gets the stepping instead, allowing them to push more models forward, and hence this whole thread in the first place.


;)

I'm eager for BD to come out, because I wanna know if I'm right. :laugh:

You are and I completely agree. I just hope the new guys sticks to his guns and turns them into a "predator." Everyone knows AMD needs two things to push forward and that is an aggressive attitude about everything especially marketing and money. The APU contracts and APUs in the mobile market should get them some much needed capital and hopefully market share anywhere they can get it. Now the new CEO needs to follow through on his promise.

cadavecaI'm eager for BD to come out, because I wanna know if I'm right.

It's not so much being right, it's more like figuring out what the tarot cards mean, while being outside the house let alone the room. :ohwell:

CasecutterI like to see the puzzle for what it will turn into, hope it plays out good strategy wise, and how such competition furthers the industry along, as it been stagnate.

I dunno. To me, AMD is pretty transparent.

cadavecaI dunno. To me, AMD is pretty transparent.

Everything is transparent after the 3 hours we just played Dead Island. Anyway everything seems to be on time to me. Server first then desktop. Thats always been the plan.

TheMailMan78Everything is transparent after the 3 hours we just played Dead Island. Anyway everything seems to be on time to me. Server first then desktop. Thats always been the plan.

Hmm. But I'm the brain, you're the muscle, what are you doing even thinking, Pinky? Last time I listened to you I ended up burnt zombie meat. :twitch:

Ordered a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 board. So i'm hoping for no more BD delays!!!

CDdude55Ordered a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 board. So i'm hoping for no more BD delays!!!

Nice, thinking of ordering my Crosshair V today.

Damn_SmoothNice, thinking of ordering my Crosshair V today.

Thanks.:)

The Crosshair V is an awesome and sexy looking board, i was looking at it until my eyes dropped down to the price lol.

Can't wait till the board gets here.:rockout: