Also, 'Space Age' design? There's no way you actually believe that, nobody could be that ridiculous...

I was being sarcastic. I've been preaching about both AMD & Intel needing each other for ages now. Anyhow your point was well received, Thank You,

Aquinusjust remember, just because AMD chips aren't as fast as Intel's in all circumstances by no means says that AMD produces a bad processor. It's important that everyone understands that. AMD and Intel are both companies that are worthy of praise, regardless of which one might be better. Respect is the name of the game.

I agree with you on that, AMD for awhile has been producing parts that meet a wide array of demands for a lower price. In Business environments ive been seeing standard terminals using AMDs, its because they can be bought in bulk for less than the equivalent Intel parts.

Businesses to me make up the biggest market of the Traditional PC because of the Number they Need at once. Businesses will always go with the lowest price parts for their general terminals and even servers. Only the science community goes for anything faster which makes for a smaller percentage of businesses. Enthusiast Market is very small in the consumer range because about 99% are average joes that just only know how to turn them on, open webbrowsers, office applications and play movies or the casual game, (No knowledge of how they operate- which in the end comes down to the gate- on/off or 1/0)

Ive been thinking of honestly making a APU based machine with the Highest expandable board possible (Which in this Case would be ones with the PEG 2.0/2.1 x16+x0 or x8+x8, x4 configuration boards- Def AsRock or Gigabyte)

overall Both Llano and Trinity based APUs are good for the Range they operate in.

I find it funny how this thread went from cool look at this, to amd hating, to amd hater hating, to lets all love each other.

james888I find it funny how this thread went from cool look at this, to amd hating, to amd hater hating, to lets all love each other.

That is what drives sales the passionate hatred or love for one or the other.

At the end of the day both us X86 which is old and not the most efficient architecture.

But at the end of the day most people use X86 because its cheap and the games.

With out this love hate relationship and passion a lot of people wouldn't care.

99% of whole market are average joes that wouldnt know anything about a computer other then how to turn it on. So they only care how much it would cost.

SyborficalThat is what drives sales the passionate hatred or love for one or the other.

At the end of the day both us X86 which is old and. not the most efficient architecture.

But at the end of the day most people use X86 because its cheap and the games.

With out this love hate relationship and passion a lot of people wouldn't care.

james888I find it funny how this thread went from cool look at this, to amd hating, to amd hater hating, to lets all love each other.

What to do, Intel lovers always feel insecure.

james888So you can combine those numbers for total of 736 FMA SP GFlops? If so how does that compare to a 2500k.

Sorry for the late reply.

A10-5800K FP SP GFlops: 4 Cores * 8 Flops * 3.8 GHz = 121.6 FMA SP GFlops
7660D FP SP GFlops: 6 Cores * 128 Flops * 0.8 GHz = 614.4 FMA SP GFlops
Total Aggregate APU SP FP GFlops: 736 SP GFlops

i5 2500K/3570K FP SP GFlops: 4 Cores * 16 Flops * 3.6 GHz = 230.4 MAC* SP GFlops
HD 3000: 12 EUs * 8 Flops * 1.35 GHz = 129.6 FMA SP GFlops
HD 4000: 16 EUs * 8 Flops * 1.15 GHz = 147.2 FMA SP GFlops
Total Aggregate APU SP FP GFlops:
i5 2500K = 360 SP GFlops
i5 3570K = 377.6 SP GFlops

*MAC requires two instructions one for the Multiply and one for the Add. While FMA requires only one instruction for the Multiply and Add.

Also, VLIW5 and VLIW4 have a huge utilization issue where Graphic Core Next doesn't. Even though 736 SP GFlops is possible with the A10-5800K. Until, Graphic Core Next the best you can get in an application is: 326.4 SP GFlops. I know a couple of people who tried to GPU accelerate their platform with OpenCL on the 6900 series and they were only able to get 1/3rd of the GFlops on the GPU. Till Graphic Core Next comes out and you are less likely to go above 330 GFlops.

SyborficalWith out this love hate relationship and passion a lot of people wouldn't care.

I used my 2500k because it gives me the performance + performance ratio I was looking for. What ever the best deal seems to be for my needs is where I go. I must be one of those persons who just don't really care much as long as it fulfills my needs.

I like the idea of apu's because if software actually used all of those 736 SP GFlops.

2500k at 4.5ghz = 288 GFlops for cpu only.
5800k at 6.5 ghz = 208 GFlops for cpu only.

eidairaman199% of whole market are average joes that wouldnt know anything about a computer other then how to turn it on. So they only care how much it would cost.

Yep...and the contract price for OEM's pretty much determines the bottom line- which is of course dependant upon:
Yields and silicon fabrication cost. Speed/efficiency of process ramp. Die size. Performance/watt (for OEM's to get away with the bare minimum PSU and cooling)

DIY market = largely immaterial, although I'd note that Intel users seem more disposed towards faster upgrade cycles. Many Intel users (including myself) seem to have graduated from LGA 775 Conroe to Yorkfield, to LGA1366 or 1156 to Sandy/Ivy Bridge(-E), and no doubt more than a few will move to 8/10/12 core Ivy Bridge-E when it arrives. All this would tend to indicate a healthy- for Intel-base level of adoption for any given platform.
AMD users on the other hand, while vociferous in lauding their Sunnyvale masters, seem to be more judicious in their expenditure...so, praise for the products...but happy to sit pat with their present system until the UltimateEarthmoverOver9000 arrives....translating into no cash in AMD's pocket....and less R&D available for the future UEO9000

Dent1I've had my Athlon II X4 620 for over 3 years now.

theoneandonlymrk< some people are still running phenomIIx4 core cpu's .

HumanSmokeDIY market = largely immaterial, although I'd note that Intel users seem more disposed towards faster upgrade cycles. Many Intel users (including myself) seem to have graduated from LGA 775 Conroe to Yorkfield, to LGA1366 or 1156 to Sandy/Ivy Bridge(-E), and no doubt more than a few will move to 8/10/12 core Ivy Bridge-E when it arrives. All this would tend to indicate a healthy- for Intel-base level of adoption for any given platform.

I tend to jump back and forth. In order of CPUs I've used it goes like this:

Intel Penium 4 630
AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
AMD Phenom II 940
Intel Core i7 3820

Notice a pattern? :toast:

@Aquinus
Sweet. Someone either:
1. who enjoys tech for it's own sake as much as any performance it may provide, or
2. a consumer locked into retail therapy-one step away from John Carpenter's "They Live!"
Strangely enough, many tech enthusiast sites have a high proportion of posters who subscribe to option 2. As someone who spends more on their watercooling than many people spend on their entire system, it tends to amuse me when people incessantly chant/plead for more people to buy an IHV's product, while they themselves upgrade on a 3-5 years basis.
Since you're drawing attention to your alternating IHV preference, I assume your next purchase is AMD....How long do you think you'll have to wait before an AMD platform betters the X79 system you already have (including the likely obvious 8 or 10 core Ivy Bridge-E/ 12-core Xeon drop-in replacement)? How long before AMD see's any of your cash?

An interesting exercise would be to chart the demographic of posters IHV affiliations with regard their present hardware fit-out and relative age of componentry...somehow I don't think my hypothesis would wilt under the scrutiny.

AquinusI tend to jump back and forth. In order of CPUs I've used it goes like this:

Intel Penium 4 630
AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
AMD Phenom II 940
Intel Core i7 3820

Notice a pattern? :toast:

Estimating on the release dates, your next upgrade would probably be the 2014 AMD Excavator with that rumoured DDR4 introduction. Let's hope she performs :D

HumanSmokeDIY market = largely immaterial, although I'd note that Intel users seem more disposed towards faster upgrade cycles. Many Intel users (including myself) seem to have graduated from LGA 775 Conroe to Yorkfield, to LGA1366 or 1156 to Sandy/Ivy Bridge(-E), and no doubt more than a few will move to 8/10/12 core Ivy Bridge-E when it arrives. All this would tend to indicate a healthy- for Intel-base level of adoption for any given platform.
AMD users on the other hand, while vociferous in lauding their Sunnyvale masters, seem to be more judicious in their expenditure...so, praise for the products...but happy to sit pat with their present system until the UltimateEarthmoverOver9000 arrives....translating into no cash in AMD's pocket....and less R&D available for the future UEO9000

:roll::laugh:

some of us have to aportion our finances differently is the truth in it, i got this 960T because Bd didnt perform and my Q6600 blew up, i didnt have double the ammount at the time for an intel platform and i wanted an upgrade path, so went in the direction i did, had i infinite money id also upgrade each platform release tho and it would be both vendors not one, in an ideal world id try them all for a bit:D

btarunrAMD's new A10-5800K "Trinity" APUs, launched earlier this week, are capable of extreme overclocking, something similarly-priced Intel processors can't claim, according to Adam Kozak, desktop products manager with the company. According to Kozak, the roughly $150 A10-5800K are capable of 6.50 GHz overclocked speeds, when augmented with liquid nitrogen cooling.

Overclocking capabilities give AMD's sub-$150 chips such as the A10-5800K, A8-5600K, and A6-5400K an edge over similarly-priced Intel chips. The cheapest overclockable chip from Intel's current lineup is the $220 Core i5-2500K. Based on the "Trinity" silicon, the A10-5800K ships with clock speeds of 3.80 GHz, which go up to 4.20 GHz with TurboCore. The chip features an unlocked base clock multiplier, which makes overclocking possible.

www.techpowerup.com/img/12-09-26/145a_thm.jpg

Source: TechWorld.com.au

Sweet! Does it come with the LN2 and copper tube that you will need too?

tricksonSweet! Does it come with the LN2 and copper tube that you will need too?

Didn't you make snark remarks on the last page as well?

BTW, the answer is no.

FrickDidn't you make snark remarks on the last page as well?

BTW, the answer is no.

It is a question. I am asking. I think it is great that this chip can reach speeds like this, But how about packaging it with some LN2 and the copper tube and mount for the CPU so one can reach these speeds? You do not have to attack me for asking. :banghead:

erockerFew posts have been cleaned due to someone not being able to not insult others in their post.

Why is it that the very moment Trickson participates in any AMD related thread the mods needs to step in and clean up?

tricksonIt is a question. I am asking. I think it is great that this chip can reach speeds like this, But how about packaging it with some LN2 and the copper tube and mount for the CPU so one can reach these speeds? You do not have to attack me for asking. :banghead:

Don't get smart. I don't see you requesting LN2 in Intels packaging whenever Intel demonstrates an OC.

tricksonIt is a question. I am asking. I think it is great that this chip can reach speeds like this, But how about packaging it with some LN2 and the copper tube and mount for the CPU so one can reach these speeds? You do not have to attack me for asking. :banghead:

Ok fine I'll answer again: No. That would be stupid.

WOW nothing like attacking a guy for asking a question! Man I get an infraction for this and my post deleted yet where is my justice?
Oh well.
I see this as a PR stunt aimed at .01% of the people.
Just as a question, How realistic is it to run LN2 and a 6.5GHz OC 24/7? How many will even be able to do this? NONE! So other than a PR stunt this means WHAT? I admit the price of these chips are great! I mean for 150 bucks and 500 bucks of LN2 parts you can hit 6.5GHz! Sweet!
I am not saying it is a bad thing but come on let us bring this into the world of REALITY! NO ONE can run LN2 24/7 not to mention a CPU at 6.5GHz 24/7! Would it be cool to have it? HELL YEAH! Would I find this a viable solution for some one? NO. So with that said this is fluff.

tricksonWOW nothing like attacking a guy for asking a question! Man I get an infraction for this and my post deleted yet where is my justice?
Oh well.
I see this as a PR stunt aimed at .01% of the people.
Just as a question, How realistic is it to run LN2 and a 6.5GHz OC 24/7? How many will even be able to do this? NONE! So other than a PR stunt this means WHAT? I admit the price of these chips are great! I mean for 150 bucks and 500 bucks of LN2 parts you can hit 6.5GHz! Sweet!
I am not saying it is a bad thing but come on let us bring this into the world of REALITY! NO ONE can run LN2 24/7 not to mention a CPU at 6.5GHz 24/7! Would it be cool to have it? HELL YEAH! Would I find this a viable solution for some one? NO. So with that said this is fluff.

nobody is saying it can be run 24/7 and fluff it may be but they both do it, so id advise you to get used to it and get over it also.
as has been said before ill look for a similar statement in the next intel world record Ghz statement from you, T:roll:

theoneandonlymrknobody is saying it can be run 24/7 and fluff it may be but they both do it, so id advise you to get used to it and get over it also.
as has been said before ill look for a similar statement in the next intel world record Ghz statement from you, T:roll:

I will be there when it happens you can bet on that. ;)

I take your 6.5ghz and raise you to 7.3ghz. Read the thread and he has 2D benchmarks in it.

www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?283218-Killer-Trinity-top-A10-5800k-confirmed-5.1GHz-on-air-and-7.3GHz-on-LN2

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cdawallI take your 6.5ghz and raise you to 7.3ghz. Read the thread and he has 2D benchmarks in it.

www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?283218-Killer-Trinity-top-A10-5800k-confirmed-5.1GHz-on-air-and-7.3GHz-on-LN2

PSH!


Binned chippies = who cares?

2D Benches are all at 4 GHz...:p

cadavecaPSH!


Binned chippies = who cares?

Who said it was binned?

cdawallWho said it was binned?

The fistful of chips i have here says it is. :p


And again, those 2D benches are @ 4 GHz. :p

Don't get me wrong.. I just wanna squish any unrealistic expectations.