I suspect Vista will always be in "reduced functionality mode" if it's anything like all versions of Windoze. MICROSUCKS can't fix Windoze but they think Vista is better. Yeah, right.

i actually think the Build 5728 is very good for being in beta stages. I havnt experienced any instability, and it doesnt really stress my video card.

I think that it will be an improvement over XP, i doubt that they think XP is perfect and there is nothing to improve.

we'll see how it is @ the release. Dont criticize till its actually done being produced. we're pretty much stuck with using windows.. :respect: try and make the best of it... haha

W2hCYKi actually think the Build 5728 is very good for being in beta stages. I havnt experienced any instability, and it doesnt really stress my video card.

Good to know: I have the last release (public one 5728), & I have not had time to do the ISO burn & install... stupid as that may sound, I haven't found time!

W2hCYKI think that it will be an improvement over XP, i doubt that they think XP is perfect and there is nothing to improve.

VISTA's improved: Even over what I use now, Windows Server 2003 fully hotfix updated... under the skin, it has seen a LOT of changes for the better (except for, imo @ least, OpenGL being driven via a DirectX function call wrapper, slowing it up).

In fact, imo @ least? I think MS KNOWS it is VASTLY improved over its predecessors, & expects folks to want it BAD... hence, WHY they are attempting to protect it so much vs. piracy of it.

W2hCYKwe'll see how it is @ the release. Dont criticize till its actually done being produced. we're pretty much stuck with using windows.. :respect: try and make the best of it... haha

VERY TRUE! I agree, 100%...

:)

APK

damn ive been using this bootleg windows since forever. looks like i gotta man up and count my pennies. but thats not for a long time. ima keep using my xp.

if they can program it like to do that then people will write programs to counter act,ie crack!i will have the real vista but other will not

iirc, windows hired actual hackers to prevent "counter hacking". They hired a few people known for their software skills to help improve windows vistas security.

its going to be pretty hard to get past this windows vista, but no doubt in my mind, it will be done.. lol.. and then patched.. and then done again, and on goes the hacking cracking patching circle

If they reduced the price then the amount of piracy would go down dramatically. Paying $100 to put Windows on every computer I build is just to much... esp. when there are versions of Linux that are free.

Every version of Windows I've ever had have been purchased through work. The univeristy gives us HUGE discounts. I got a XP Pro for ~$15. I'm hoping they sell Vista when it comes out.

jydieIf they reduced the price then the amount of piracy would go down dramatically. Paying $100 to put Windows on every computer I build is just to much... esp. when there are versions of Linux that are free.

Exactly.. i agree. Its not good that MS has monopoly over the OS business. We need a OS rival for MS, only then will ms drop their prices. Now they can do whatever they want.. So sure i think vista will be great when its patch´d and ready, Q2 of 07 maybe. But i dont want to pay 400bucks for my OS. I remember MS promising that Vista will be much cheaper than xp. That we could get a copy for 100$ max, or so?? Or was i dreaming?

occasional web use. lol that'd be so frustrating

jydieIf they reduced the price then the amount of piracy would go down dramatically. Paying $100 to put Windows on every computer I build is just to much... esp. when there are versions of Linux that are free.

Yes but M$'s profits would also fall. They probably have economists examining the market and working out piracy against price estimated and programmers to try and counter piracy. At the end of the day they don't care about the piracy itself but the money lost from it.

Anyway, this will be hacked in days.

W2hCYKiirc, windows hired actual hackers to prevent "counter hacking". They hired a few people known for their software skills to help improve windows vistas security.

its going to be pretty hard to get past this windows vista, but no doubt in my mind, it will be done.. lol.. and then patched.. and then done again, and on goes the hacking cracking patching circle

The hackers are just gonna sell out and release all the flaws they found to their hacker buddies so they can hack Vista themselves.

it will be cracked wether micro$haft wants them to or not the true hackers will get thru watever m$ thinks they have counter hacked to improve security is BS and everone knows it they didnt pay for the best hackers cause they dont sell out so f*-* M$ linux ftw

jydieIf they reduced the price then the amount of piracy would go down dramatically. Paying $100 to put Windows on every computer I build is just to much... esp. when there are versions of Linux that are free.

They have decided that a "new computer" = motherboard, right? Like new motherboard = new Vista. Or am I mistaken (PLEASE, SAY YES!!)?

Microsoft better fix the WGA crap. I dont want to end up with reduced functionality because they cant do something right. just think about all the people with legit copies of windows XP that get the "your windows installation is not genuine" crap. i know of at least 5-6 people that get that error with a legit copy.

I actually look forward to buying a genuine version of Vista, the betas have been top notch IMO and have been almost stable enough for me to consider using Vista beta as my main operating system... and I hate M$, quite simply Vista is turning out to be quite amazing.

jydieIf they reduced the price then the amount of piracy would go down dramatically. Paying $100 to put Windows on every computer I build is just to much... esp. when there are versions of Linux that are free.

$100!!! Are you kidding $100 would be a godsend. XP STILL is way more than that. If they followed the pricing structure of OSX , there wouldn't be such a big problem. $300 for an OS is totally out of control.

It's only $300 if you get Windows Super-de-duper Server Ultra Extreme Edition at Best Buy, newegg sells XP Home for $90 :p.

LOLs, and another way for hackers to have some fun with viruses...

bill gates is the richest guy in the world..

windows is the most pirated piece of software in the world..

those two facts dont kinda gell unless u think out of the box..

the xbox for example.. the gillette method of selling or the gillette method of controled piracy..???

basically u get everybody hooked on your gizmo then when they are u take advantage of the fact..

the best way to get anybody hooked on a piece of software is to make it freely available.. or at least a cut down version of the software freely available..

i think the reason we are dependant on windows is in very great part down to the fact its been so easily pirated.. read freely available.. read deliberately so.. he he he

we are hooked on windows totally.. we are dependant on windows.. now the big bad corporation can tighten up its loose security and really make us all pay...

so how rich is bill gonna get now i wonder.. ???

trog

You know what they say "The rich get richer", and us poor people are left to rot and die in the gutter. Thanks Bill, you f*cking twat! :D

trog100bill gates is the richest guy in the world..

windows is the most pirated piece of software in the world..

those two facts dont kinda gell unless u think out of the box..

the xbox for example.. the gillette method of selling or the gillette method of controled piracy..???

basically u get everybody hooked on your gizmo then when they are u take advantage of the fact..

the best way to get anybody hooked on a piece of software is to make it freely available.. or at least a cut down version of the software freely available..

i think the reason we are dependant on windows is in very great part down to the fact its been so easily pirated.. read freely available.. read deliberately so.. he he he

we are hooked on windows totally.. we are dependant on windows.. now the big bad corporation can tighten up its loose security and really make us all pay...

so how rich is bill gonna get now i wonder.. ???

trog

Down with the corperation!!!

Bill's supposed to quit soon, right?

If I don't do something soon I might get kicked off board. I still have a old beta, but I bought some DVD's tonight. Mebey I will create a custim install and burn it. Or not.....

M$ haters fuck off.



He built a empire the same as many in the past, the same as a blowhard with a TV show where he "fires" people who are fag enought to want to kiss his ass. But no one bashes him, as he has a TV show.

If you have or want something elese or better, there is open source.